UncleRico
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So let’s me get this straight. All his bad games don’t count and only his good ones do?
Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk IX
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So let’s me get this straight. All his bad games don’t count and only his good ones do?
EverettMike
FIRE DON SWEENEY INTO THE SUN
I can probably make a noose out of a large.
dangermike
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swayman benefitted from 2 home games vs 1 away, the team not pissing down their legs constantly, and still gave up 13 in 3 games in that series (including a win!)... they were scoring at will at times
lol double edit - 3 home/2 away for 17 goals in 5 games - but 13 in the last 3
MarchysNoseKnows
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How I read the tea leaves:
Merkulov isn’t a fourth line guy. If he’s going win a job it’s a center or wing on the second or third lines. Moving Coyle or JVR down, and Geekie down to the 4C. It could happen for sure.
Brown is there as insurance in case Beecher or McLaughlin can’t win the 4C job, or Merk doesn’t win a top 9 role and Geekie has to slot on the third.
Everyone is writing Lauko in in pen (funny - imagine anyone possibly predicting that last year) but there are a few guys competing with him for a job too, including Beecher and McLaughlin. Though I think Lauko is 13F at worst. Greer seems destined for Providence - or at least we should hope he is because that means someone has stepped up.
Bergeron being back at the beginning of the season takes that top 9 slot away, and puts Merk v. JVR as a head to head battle. Krejci back puts Merk in Providence.
Lohrei has to beat out Grizz or Forbort. I’d play a wet paper bag over Forbort, but they value a LH PK role more than I would, so Lohrei only beats out Forbort if they think he can PK. Probably puts Lindholm as PK1 which isn’t ideal, but it has to happen this year or next. There’s a chance Zboril could beat out Forbort (I’d play him over potato hands every day of the week) but I think it’s more likely that Lohrei does. Shattenkirk is safe IMO - and a great partner to break in a rookie. Mitchell and the other kids could compete for a 7 or 8D spot, but more likely they’re there for sorely needed RHD depth in the A.
My feelings on Grizz don’t need to be rehashed obviously, but Lohrei could beat Grizz out and make him expendable. But in the near term, that’s to 7D. No room out there to get any sort of reasonable return for him. He’s worth more than some throw away fourth round pick in a normal cap situation, and would return far more than that at the deadline. Despite my feelings about him, if he’s going to be benched for Clifton or potato hands in the playoffs, may as well deal him. But no way you give him away.
Longshots to steal a slot (like Lauko last year, before anyone says it can’t happen) would be Toporowski or Poitras. But the chance that they toss a 19 year old into a top 6 center slot seem remote. And there’s always a chance (either because of injury or because Hellebuyck gets dealt and the goalie carousel that everyone predicted actually happens) that a backstop is moved, but absent that there’s no reason to sell low there.
People seem to like to take past performance as static, and don’t allow for any growth or leaps from the young guys. I can guarantee there’s nothing the Boston brass would like more than to have to put Brown on the bench or in Provy, or to waive JVR because he was beaten out. And there are 5-6 young players who have opportunity - something that hasn’t been around for a while.
MarchysNoseKnows
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No. So he can’t be evaluated in draft performance. Those are the rules - I didn’t make them
MarchysNoseKnows
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He’s legit and being slept on here. He ended up way better defensively than predicted by the end of the year, and his shot is a goddamn weapon. Has good creative instincts too.
UncleRico
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Like I said in my first post to you, I’m not even convinced of swayman either. I get that concern too and I have questions too.
I just really don’t know how many playoff runs you can let Ullmark do this. Whatever excuse you want to give for ullmark, ultimately he was in the net for those losses and didn’t play well.
How many more postseason runs of abysmal play (for whatever the excuse) does he get?
The don godfather
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Amazes me many of you have Dk retired. Not me.
HustleB
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I agree with you, but he already said it won’t be for the start of the season. I think most people are submitting game 1 thoughts rather then playoff lineups.
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Can we stop with the let the kids play stuff please. Lohrei should be an NHL defenseman and may become a good one. Merkulov, McLaughlin, Lauko, Lysell and the rest of Providence are not exactly the best prospects out there. I like Lauko, I like McLaughlin but i like both as bottom 6 forwards. They do not have a top 6 prospect, they know it, it is why the signed JVR, Geekie, and traded for Walsh and the two Blackhawk D men.
If they had any faith in Beecher they would not have signed Brown for 2 years on a one way deal or thought Lysell was going to crack the lineup you wouldn't see Geekie here. They know what they have in Providence and it isn't much.
Let the kids play if you want to protect that first round pick for next year, they are trying to make the playoffs and think they can squeeze enough offense out of what they have and hope the powder puff D and goaltending hold up. That probably gets them a wild card and JJ's home playoff dates. If Bergeron resigns they might even get 3 to 5 home playoff games. That should be enough for the Jacob's family and some posters on here.
If they had any faith in Beecher they would not have signed Brown for 2 years on a one way deal or thought Lysell was going to crack the lineup you wouldn't see Geekie here. They know what they have in Providence and it isn't much.
Let the kids play if you want to protect that first round pick for next year, they are trying to make the playoffs and think they can squeeze enough offense out of what they have and hope the powder puff D and goaltending hold up. That probably gets them a wild card and JJ's home playoff dates. If Bergeron resigns they might even get 3 to 5 home playoff games. That should be enough for the Jacob's family and some posters on here.
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Every one of these should be burned before the first home game.
Oh and if Logan Stanley is asking out in Winnipeg send Grizz to the Siberia of the NHL for him.
It amazes me how much of a difference you think he would make.
The don godfather
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60 points in the bank and will put up points in playoffs with ease no big deal I guess.
37 calls 46..…”we both come back and have basically the same team as last year. Let’s give it one more try.”
How many players for 1 million dollars give you
In regular season
70GP
16-40-56
3rd leading scoring on team at even strength
18th most primary assist in the entire nhl
In playoffs
4GP
1-3-4
Including 3 points in game 7
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Ddawg
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I read somewhere and it may have been here, where Hall was upset with training staff regarding his injury. This may have played a part? Then again I am getting old and may have misread it. Sweeney may have had his hand forced a bit.. Also Sweeney has always built his team from the goal out. I don't think you will see him getting rid of a defenseman unless a better one comes back.
DominicT
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Sweeney was getting calls on Gryz as far back as talks with St Louis about Schenn. Gryz was in a few packages thrown back and fourth between the 2 GMs. Sweeney was ready to pull the trigger but Armstrong kept upping the ante and finally walked away.
It's not that he doesn't want to move him. He wants what he thinks is full value for him.
Well I am not sure who would know if Sweeney is getting calls on Gryz, . Maybe Sweeney is trying to drum some interest in Gryz to see if he can move him. No Gm is going to be straight forward with you on what is going on. I suspect there was several players Sweeney explored moving besides Hall , but there was no takers . A Dman making 3.687mil and being a scratch for playoff games by the coach on a team that went out in the first round . Has how much value when so many teams are struggling to remain cap compliant ????
Just read Dom's post on Gryz seems tried to move him but felt the cost or return was to low
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DKH
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The Bruins were sitting at 44-8-5 (134 point pace) the day they made the Washington deal
Add 37 & 46 and you are only missing Hall from top 9F, 4D, 2G in that game
However Krejci acted like he’s gone and Bergeron according to someone who knows better then me was win the Cup last year and ride off into sunset
He comes back they are East favorites and should be SC favorites
He’s got one more year in him and the supporting cast is good enough to carry him as well
Clifton last 4 periods as a Bruins 11 goals against- absolute train wreck. Great he hits but I’m good adding 4 RHD.
Geekie snd Sprong were stunning non Qualifiers but it was money of course and Seattle got stuck
Geekie is an offensive player but he also gets after it - the team he would have actually fit really well was Florida
However I like it and I’m hoping for a Frederic -Coyle - Geekie third line
The Bruins as of now return their top 4 D and both goalies / if it’s not the best six in the league it’s top 2-3 (but I’m putting them one - especially in the regular season that only matters you get in playoffs spots mean little)
DKH
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That sure makes sense to me but not Rocco & Biff at my gym and deli
Sweens unless he gets fair value roll with him and next February 24th add a Hanifin if he’s still out there with the intention of long term
Monty didn’t trust Clifton at all and even Grzelcyk game 6 in Florida- he will likely fall in line with veteran Shattenkirk
I love the idea of what Sweens has done with his D & G - run it back FOR NOW, add 4 D and have Bussi hopefully ready by mid season if need be
Sweeney makes moves and has balls going back to the Nash deal (outstanding deal but he got concussion) so I’m certain on March 1 that the D comp will be upgraded
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Obviously, no situation is exactly the same... But players with cap that returned non-future considerations. Nor were all of these strictly cap moves, but GMs can make moves happen
Reilly Smith got traded for a 3rd
RFA Ross Colton got a 2nd
Toffoli and Sharongovich were traded for one another.
Blackwood got a 6th
Dubois (wasn't a cap dump)
Newhook (don't think this was a cap dump that got a solid package, if so)
Hayes for a 6th
Durzi got a 2nd
Ryan Johansen for Alex Galchenyuk
Damon Severson for a 3rd
Bruins got 2 prospects in a position they had the least available NHL spots, while weakening the forward roster.
I mean MAYBE that's the literal best Sweeney could do.
But asset management has not been a strong suit of this management. And between selling players for scraps, paying to get rid of players, and not finishing the job when we buy rentals, long term I think the Bruins have sent out far more out than the quantity or quality they received.
Aside from 2015, Sweeney hasn't really sold a player or gotten a big return on sending players out.
Now that the team failed, I think recouping assets should be a goal, but our team is already a bit weaker. And I do think trading Hall without recouping any picks (as well as Foligno's rights) is overall a bad use of our assets.
Could they have gotten more? Maybe, maybe not.
Bergy and Krejci I think are both coming back. Like a few posters mentioned, basically the same team pre-deadline as last year with:
1. Hall, Clifton, Foligno, Nosek gone
2. JVR, Geekie, Lucic, Brown, Shattenkirk, Mitchell in
3. Potentially one or more surprises Lohrei, Beecher, Merkulov, Lauko, Lysell, Poitras
Marchy-Bergy-Debrusk (I think this line out produces themselves from a year ago)
Zacha-Krejci-Pasta (Similar production from this group)
Frederic-Coyle-Geekie (Outproduces the 3rd line from last season)
Lucic-Brown/Merkulov/Beecher-Lauko/Lysell/Greer
Gryz/Lohrei-McAvoy
Lindholm-Carlo
Gryz/Lohrei/Zboril/Forbort-Shattenkirk
Ullmark
Swayman
Improvements:
1. Team toughness will be much better this season, Lucic alone puts the fear of god in most people
2. Defense has the potential to be better this season, especially if Lohrei can step in and make an immediate impact.
3. Shattenkirk should help either PP1 or PP2
4. Everyone is healthy starting the season vs missing Marchy, Gryz, McAvoy last year
I will take us finishing 1st in the East again, not the president's trophy winner but 1st in the East and making some major impact moves at the deadline for guys like Hanifin/Lindholm/Sheifele etc
1. Hall, Clifton, Foligno, Nosek gone
2. JVR, Geekie, Lucic, Brown, Shattenkirk, Mitchell in
3. Potentially one or more surprises Lohrei, Beecher, Merkulov, Lauko, Lysell, Poitras
Marchy-Bergy-Debrusk (I think this line out produces themselves from a year ago)
Zacha-Krejci-Pasta (Similar production from this group)
Frederic-Coyle-Geekie (Outproduces the 3rd line from last season)
Lucic-Brown/Merkulov/Beecher-Lauko/Lysell/Greer
Gryz/Lohrei-McAvoy
Lindholm-Carlo
Gryz/Lohrei/Zboril/Forbort-Shattenkirk
Ullmark
Swayman
Improvements:
1. Team toughness will be much better this season, Lucic alone puts the fear of god in most people
2. Defense has the potential to be better this season, especially if Lohrei can step in and make an immediate impact.
3. Shattenkirk should help either PP1 or PP2
4. Everyone is healthy starting the season vs missing Marchy, Gryz, McAvoy last year
I will take us finishing 1st in the East again, not the president's trophy winner but 1st in the East and making some major impact moves at the deadline for guys like Hanifin/Lindholm/Sheifele etc
Yes I know the stats but 46 will be yet another year older and I'm just ready to turn the page and not watch another repeat of what we saw.
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