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Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk IX

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Oates2Neely said:
I’d say Boston has an advantage over half those teams as far as ability to attract free agents. The Bruins in my opinion are one top young center away from being a contender with their current roster. Have to think they start the 2024-25 season with Lohrei & Lysell on their ELC. Beecher/ Merkulov ready for 3rd & 4th line duty. Sweeney can make this team a top tier group with just a little cap breathing room.

Center depth:
“New top line center”
Zacha
Coyle/ Geekie
Geekie/ Frederic

*Edit: Leafs will have Matthews Marner etc to sign who will significantly eat into their cap space. Sweeney’s big fish are signed long term (Pastrnak McAvoy Lindholm)
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The problem is that they aren't getting a top YOUNG center in free agency, since young players don't get to UFA.

They COULD in theory get one via trade, but they don't really have the pieces to do that without sacrificing something else that would make them not have their "current" roster.

I think they only way they get a top young center is to draft one. Maybe they already have, but if not then it's going to be awhile without having a 1st rd pick.
 
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DominicT said:
I'm assuming you are just looking at CapFriendly, noticing they don't have Lauko on it and are subtracting his $787,500? You have to take it a step further: If you are adding Lauko, take out Megna. (I'm going to assume they don't risk waiving Lauko to have Megna in the lineup. So it's really $6.2 million.

When Frederic and Swayman sign and holding a spot for Bergeron, both Lauko and Megna can't be in the lineup or they'll be over the 23-man roster. One has to come out.
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This doesn't change the point I was making, unless you think Sweeney is getting Swayman, Frederic, and Bergeron all signed for under 6.2 mil they'll still need to move out salary.
 
I have to ask as all I see are we should have traded Griz( yet you all say he is small and soft and no good) and we should have traded Forby( but you all say he is big and slow and soft) and we should have traded Ulmark ( but you all say he is an overpriced choker). You think Donny has all these offers just piling up on his desk and just wants to keep them all. Clearly his fellow GM’s are not that high on them either thus they still ( and will be there opening night) are in the roster. He overpaid the two D and he had no idea ( not a bad thing) how good Sway would become. Face it next year is a bridge year. With Bergy( u scrape in as an 8 seed maybe) or without (ouch). A rollercoaster ride will not be a bad thing/ let the kids play.
 
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Smitty93 said:
I think it's pretty easy to understand. They had to move a $5-6M contract no matter what to fill the roster. If they were able to agree with Bertuzzi, they would have had to move another $5-6M contract. The Hall cap space got you roughly four roster players that you needed to ice a full roster. A subsequent move would have happened if they could sign Bertuzzi, but they weren't going to make that trade until they knew Bertuzzi would sign at a price/term they wanted.
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Thank you.

Let's move on.
 
Dennis Bonvie said:
That certainly makes no sense at all.
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So assuming the Bruins make the playoffs, you’d rather have

JVR 2nd line LW + Ullmark starter
over
Hall 2nd LW + Swayman starter

Hall had 36 points missing 20+ games playing with Frederic and Coyle. Assuming health (which is the one risk I’m willing to admit with Hall, although Ullmark has his own injury concerns), he’d be putting up 60+ points on our 2nd line.
 
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goldnblack said:
I don't think your cap room list is very good though. Actually have the teams resign the guys they're definitely going to resign. You'll cut those numbers in half or less.

In turn for us, Debrusk is the only guy we might resign, and that still depends on where we're at at the deadline this year. They'll be less competition than you might think.

edit: Dom just beat me to it!
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DominicT said:
You can play that game with every team you listed. Toronto has $46 million to sign 12 players. Matthews and Nylander will take half that themselves if they decide to keep Nylander. And they have 1 goalie for $766,000?
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All true but in the end I was pointing out that 30M isn't what it seems. I've seen some here suggest we can sign 3 impact players.
 
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JOKER 192 said:
All true but in the end I was pointing out that 30M isn't what it seems. I've seen some here suggest we can sign 3 impact players.
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I guess it depends on your definition of an impact player.

Are they going to be able to sign multiple big name free agents? Unlikely, however they will have the flexibility to be players in the market.

That’s good enough for me
 
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PatriceBergeron said:
So assuming the Bruins make the playoffs, you’d rather have

JVR 2nd line LW + Ullmark starter
over
Hall 2nd LW + Swayman starter

Hall had 36 points missing 20+ games playing with Frederic and Coyle. Assuming health (which is the one risk I’m willing to admit with Hall, although Ullmark has his own injury concerns), he’d be putting up 60+ points on our 2nd line.
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Hall barely played on a line with Coyle and Frederic.

Not that it matters.

Yes, I'd rather Ullmark than Hall. Even though you changed the scenario to if they make the playoffs.
 
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Dennis Bonvie said:
Hall barely played on a line with Coyle and Frederic.

Not that it matters.

Yes, I'd rather Ullmark than Hall. Even though you changed the scenario to if they make the playoffs.
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Hall was one of the bruins best playoff forwards 17 points in 25 games. Ullmark has been one of the worst playoff goalies in the league since joining the bruins.

Give me they guy who elevates his game when the games matter most. Especially when ullmarks backup has been better than him in those sotuations
 
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UncleRico said:
Bruins LW situation it terrible, not much of a drop off between swayman and ullmark. Ullmark has been a disaster in the playoffs. He also is going into his age 30 season with his highest games played being 49 games.
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How so?

Marchand, Van Riemesdyk, Frederic, Lucic, Greer, Lauko, Merkelov. Also have natural left wingers in DeBrusk and Zacha playing other spots. Deeps position on the team.

Not much of a drop between Ullmark & Swayman? Don't think Swayman had one of the best seasons a goalie ever had last season like Ullmark.
 
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PatriceBergeron said:
So assuming the Bruins make the playoffs, you’d rather have

JVR 2nd line LW + Ullmark starter
over
Hall 2nd LW + Swayman starter

Hall had 36 points missing 20+ games playing with Frederic and Coyle. Assuming health (which is the one risk I’m willing to admit with Hall, although Ullmark has his own injury concerns), he’d be putting up 60+ points on our 2nd line.
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That’s fine if it was like any year in the last 20 or so before these last two.

It’s quite possible that to trade Ullmark this year you would have had to add assets and/or eat some salary. When you look at what trades for cap space got, Boston and VGK did the best. It’s easy to say we could have traded Hall to Pit for a third round instead of getting right shot defense depth but Smith is a right winger, and the two RHD are in the ballpark of a third round pick.

Then you look at the Johansen deal, the Pacioretty deal, the low return on Debrincat…you can’t just say we should have traded other players because the whole market sucks. The return for Hall was actually pretty good if you compare.

And I like Hall and wish we didn’t have to trade him.
 
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Dennis Bonvie said:
How so?

Marchand, Van Riemesdyk, Frederic, Lucic, Greer, Lauko, Merkelov. Also have natural left wingers in DeBrusk and Zacha playing other spots. Deeps position on the team.

Not much of a drop between Ullmark & Swayman? Don't think Swayman had one of the best seasons a goalie ever had last season like Ullmark.
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You consider that group deep at LW? 35 year old Marchand, 34 year old JVR, 35 year old lucic and three guys that have played a combined like 220 games?

Ya I don’t think Debrusk and Zacha are playing LW this year so obviously not counting them
 
DiggityDog said:
I guess it depends on your definition of an impact player.

Are they going to be able to sign multiple big name free agents? Unlikely, however they will have the flexibility to be players in the market.

That’s good enough for me
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So say they re-sign JDB 6M and and 1st line center another 6M at least . Now add Sway 3M and TFred 2M . That will leave 13M for 9 players. That leaves you 1.44 per player and that's if Bergy doesn't come back otherwise there will be overages like this year.
 
UncleRico said:
Hall was one of the bruins best playoff forwards 17 points in 25 games. Ullmark has been one of the worst playoff goalies in the league since joining the bruins.

Give me they guy who elevates his game when the games matter most. Especially when ullmarks backup has been better than him in those sotuations
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So now it's strictly based on playoffs.
 
Dennis Bonvie said:
Hall barely played on a line with Coyle and Frederic.

Not that it matters.

Yes, I'd rather Ullmark than Hall. Even though you changed the scenario to if they make the playoffs.
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The line that Hall spent the most ice time this season was with Coyle and Frederic.

Agree to disagree then. I think they have a much better chance at doing anything next season with Hall+Swayman than JVR+Ullmark
 
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