Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk IX

[CellyHard]

I just don't know how they run back essentially the same defensive unit by subbing Clifton for Shattenkirk and say we are fine here. Although I think it's mostly a lateral move, Clifton does bring much more physicality.

That's why I think Logan Stanley in for Forbort makes sense. Maybe you give the edge to Forbort just based on experience but both aren't fleet of foot or have the best hands. They both block a ton of shots.

Stanley can handle PK duties, will definitely be cheaper and bring a much more physical presence. The kid sticks up for teammates too. He was a 1st round pick and has a little bit of offensive talent

Not saying the Jets would take Forbort back in a trade but the Bruins just need to shuffle the chairs a little more IMO. It's a very uninspiring backend physically.

 

[ON3M4N]

Right now the Bruins have neither of those.

WPG apparently has a 1C in Scheifele and a had a 1B/2A in PLD, but it didn't get them anywhere.

 

[wintersej]

None of us really know the trade market. We can all speculate all we want. I personally think Sweeney should have held out longer and got a better return.

We traded a top 6 forward for scraps. That's bad GMing any way you look at it.

There were options IMO.

What disappointing to me is this team lacks a clear direction. Are we rebuilding or are we going to do this song and dance with Bergeron and Krejci hoping they come back save the day.

What about Debrusk. Could you imagine we lose him for nothing next year. Does he even want to be here still?

I understand that and none of us truly know the trade market but I do know top 6 wingers should fetch you something.

We are literally paying Forbert and Gryz 7 million to be bottom pair defensemen.

I know some here will say Gryz is a top D man, he plays well with Mac. The organization has shown they don't believe he is a top pairing D. He was our #7 going into playoffs last year.

My other question is, how confident are you that Debrusk resigns here? He's in his final year and did request a trade a year ago.

I look like it like they got a top six winger for a 2nd round pick for 2.5 years and were able to make the moves to enable them to give Pasta his contract and to the bonus heavy contracts to really go for it last year. I just don’t know how you look at the other cap dump deals of good players and think “wow, Sweeney did badly here”.

 

[Hookslide]

WPG apparently has a 1C in Scheifele and a had a 1B/2A in PLD, but it didn't get them anywhere.

I wonder why , does anyone have a answer for that.....

 

[PlayMakers]

I just don't know how they run back essentially the same defensive unit by subbing Clifton for Shattenkirk and say we are fine here. Although I think it's mostly a lateral move, Clifton does bring much more physicality.

That's why I think Logan Stanley in for Forbort makes sense. Maybe you give the edge to Forbort just based on experience but both aren't fleet of foot or have the best hands. They both block a ton of shots.

Stanley can handle PK duties, will definitely be cheaper and bring a much more physical presence. The kid sticks up for teammates too. He was a 1st round pick and has a little bit of offensive talent

Not saying the Jets would take Forbort back in a trade but the Bruins just need to shuffle the chairs a little more IMO. It's a very uninspiring backend physically.

It’s almost as if they believe you don't need a super physical defense to win.

 

[DKH]

The problem with having Bergeron & Krejci from start you return 8 of 9 F and all 4 top D & 2 goalies that hit trade deadline on 134 point pace

I would rather finish around 110-120 and avoid the president trophy

They get both back it’s concerning they may be to good and end right back playing an 8th seed who Monty doesn’t respect if they get up 3-0 or 3-1

 

[Yeti34]

I just don't know how they run back essentially the same defensive unit by subbing Clifton for Shattenkirk and say we are fine here. Although I think it's mostly a lateral move, Clifton does bring much more physicality.

That's why I think Logan Stanley in for Forbort makes sense. Maybe you give the edge to Forbort just based on experience but both aren't fleet of foot or have the best hands. They both block a ton of shots.

Stanley can handle PK duties, will definitely be cheaper and bring a much more physical presence. The kid sticks up for teammates too. He was a 1st round pick and has a little bit of offensive talent

Not saying the Jets would take Forbort back in a trade but the Bruins just need to shuffle the chairs a little more IMO. It's a very uninspiring backend physically.

I unfortunately think the thought process is this is the same dcore we had last year in a record breaking season that should be enough to get us into the post season. Then you hope everyone who was injured stays healthy.

I personally don’t see that as a great plan. I would love from physicality back there on Defense and like the idea of Stanley.

I also think with the addition of Shattenkirk who will ultimately be a PP specialist on the second unit it makes Gryz expendable. Sure Gryz can eat minutes and put up points in the regular season, but if your coach doesn’t trust him to play when the game really matters it’s just a waste of a spot.

 

[Yeti34]

The problem with having Bergeron & Krejci from start you return 8 of 9 F and all 4 top D & 2 goalies that hit trade deadline on 134 point pace

I would rather finish around 110-120 and avoid the president trophy

They get both back it’s concerning they may be to good and end right back playing an 8th seed who Monty doesn’t respect if they get up 3-0 or 3-1

Bergy Krecji and especially Monty were all pushing for the record breaking season last year. I don’t think that will be as important this year. They overextended themselves and didn’t take games off.

 

[PlayMakers]

I also think with the addition of Shattenkirk who will ultimately be a PP specialist on the second unit it makes Gryz expendable. Sure Gryz can eat minutes and put up points in the regular season, but if your coach doesn’t trust him to play when the game really matters it’s just a waste of a spot.

How does a right handed 3rd pair D and 2nd PP specialist make a left handed top pair D (who doesn't play on the PP), expendable?

 

[False Start]

How does a right handed 3rd pair D and 2nd PP specialist make a left handed top pair D (who doesn't play on the PP), expendable?

I don't think you'll speak sense into the anti-Grz people.

They'll cite the lack of trust and are determined to replace him by any means necessary even if we replace him with a worse version of him. But as long as they aren't 5'9 they'll be happy with a significantly worse player next to McAvoy and Carlo.

 

[Blowfish]

People are down on Forbert? Really???

People forget Forbert was pretty friggin awesome player and pk specialist prior to his injury.

He returned from a long leave for game 1 playoffs. Like others, he was playing/hampered by injury. He wasn't as effective.

This bruin squad limped into the playoffs and it ruined a perfect season and Stanley Cup.

 

[False Start]

People are down on Forbert? Really???

People forget Forbert was pretty friggin awesome player and pk specialist prior to his injury.

He returned from a long leave for game 1 playoffs. Like other, he was playing/hampered by injury. He wasn't as effective.

This bruin squad limped into the playoffs and it ruined a perfect season and Stanley Cup.

Yes?

No one we've ever played with him has been effective. People cite his PK prowess as the only reason we have to keep him in the lineup.

He's a bottom pair D who, without a very good defenseman next to him plays at a low level. He fits on this team as much as people think Grzelyck does.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

People forget Forbert was pretty friggin awesome player

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

People are down on Forbert? Really???

People forget Forbert was pretty friggin awesome player and pk specialist prior to his injury.

He returned from a long leave for game 1 playoffs. Like other, he was playing/hampered by injury. He wasn't as effective.

This bruin squad limped into the playoffs and it ruined a perfect season and Stanley Cup.

He's ass even at full health.

The injury excuse doesn't work for him.

 

[Fenian24]

It’s almost as if they believe you don't need a super physical defense to win.

Hmmmmm, did Sweengenius watch the finals? I must have not seen Radko Gudas hammering Bruins forwards all series long? How'd that work out?

I don't think you'll speak sense into the anti-Grz people.

They'll cite the lack of trust and are determined to replace him by any means necessary even if we replace him with a worse version of him. But as long as they aren't 5'9 they'll be happy with a significantly worse player next to McAvoy and Carlo.

The size doesn't help him, his complete and total lack of physical play, awful playoffs the past four years and inability to be hit and be effective are why I think he is horrifically over rated and overpaid.

 

[PlayMakers]

Hmmmmm, did Sweengenius watch the finals? I must have not seen Radko Gudas hammering Bruins forwards all series long? How'd that work out?

Sweeney thinks they lost because of bad goaltending, as he said during his end of season press conference.

Colorado's defense wasn't very physical when they won.

You can get hammered and still win. Gudas hammered Vegas forwards and lost. Although, if our forwards getting hammered is why we lost (according to you) wouldn't that mean we need bigger forwards to take the abuse and hammer back? Bigger forwards like Lucic, JVR and Geekie.

 

[HustleB]

People are down on Forbert? Really???

People forget Forbert was pretty friggin awesome player and pk specialist prior to his injury.

He returned from a long leave for game 1 playoffs. Like other, he was playing/hampered by injury. He wasn't as effective.

This bruin squad limped into the playoffs and it ruined a perfect season and Stanley Cup.

I don’t like Forbort’s game. However he played a sognificant role on the PK and blocking shots in general that was part of the game plan. I wish we just committed to Gryz for round 1 but I agree with your assessment on injuries and our playoff outcome.

 

[False Start]

Hmmmmm, did Sweengenius watch the finals? I must have not seen Radko Gudas hammering Bruins forwards all series long? How'd that work out?


The size doesn't help him, his complete and total lack of physical play, awful playoffs the past four years and inability to be hit and be effective are why I think he is horrifically over rated and overpaid.

That's a perfectly respectable opinion.

However, which defenseman are you replacing him with that's about equal in Cap $ and "more effective" and a "better fit"

Oh and he has to be able to play bottom 4 more effectively than Grzelyck.

 

[Fenian24]

Sweeney thinks they lost because of bad goaltending, as he said during his end of season press conference.

Colorado's defense wasn't very physical when they won.

You can get hammered and still win. Gudas hammered Vegas forwards and lost. Although, if our forwards getting hammered is why we lost (according to you) wouldn't that mean we need bigger forwards to take the abuse and hammer back? Bigger forwards like Lucic, JVR and Geekie.

Yes it would which is why I am happy to see Lucic, Brown, JVR and Geekie added. Lauko isn't huge but he hits. It's like Sweeney is building a team to be physical against other teams D but his D is small and non physical, you would think if you were building your offense to physically punish or at least not be pushed around by other teams D's you would make your defense bigger and tougher instead of what they have.

 

[Patdud]

Derek Forbort sucks

 

[Dr Quincy]

WPG apparently has a 1C in Scheifele and a had a 1B/2A in PLD, but it didn't get them anywhere.

Having a #1 C doesn't mean you win the Cup or even get in the playoffs. See Eichel in BUF.

However, not having a #1 does mean you don't win a Cup. Can't remember the last Cup winner that didn't have a true #1.

 

[Pia8988]

How does a right handed 3rd pair D and 2nd PP specialist make a left handed top pair D (who doesn't play on the PP), expendable?

how many top pair d are healthy scratched multiple playoff games?

 

[BruinDust]

I also think with the addition of Shattenkirk who will ultimately be a PP specialist on the second unit

I think he's going to get a long look at QB'ing the 1st PP unit. It's not like McAvoy or Lindholm were lighting it up at the top of the umbrella.

That way they can roll McAvoy and one of Lindholm or Gryz (whichever one he's paired with that night) out on PP 2 and roll right back into 5 on 5 play and then the Carlo pair the shift after.

Gryz/Lindholm - McAvoy

Gryz/Lindholm - Carlo

Forbort - Shattenkirk

to me is your most frequent 6-man unit next year as it stands today. No shortage of experience at the very least.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

The moves you mentioned all have players with significantly more production, lower cost, lower return or some combination.

1. Smith was making 1 mil less per season and had 26g 56pts to Halls 16g 36pts - and Smith only returned a 3rd round pick

2. Ross Colton had the same production and will likely make half as much on his new deal

3. Toffoli had 2x the production and costs 2 mil less

4. Blackwood got a 6th - is that really a return?

5. Dubois is seen as a franchise center and 25 years old

6. Newhook had the same production at 10 years younger and half the price

7. Philly had to eat 1/2 of Hayes' deal just to get rid of it

8. Durzi had the same production from the blue line and is making 1/3 the $

9. Nashville had to retain 1/2 of Johansen's contract to get rid of him

10. Severson was a sign and trade deal for a defenseman in his prime who had the same production as Hall last year- and that only got a 3rd in return

Think the Blackhawks are counting on Hall's numbers last year being injury related and his playoff performance made the deal happen. Otherwise Sweeney would be looking at giving up more or retaining $

I didn't say they were 1:1 situations, someone asks for all the trades, and I listed what trades happened.

Like I said, maybe that's the best he could have done. Still don't think he's overall been great at asset management.

 

[NDiesel]

Yes it would which is why I am happy to see Lucic, Brown, JVR and Geekie added. Lauko isn't huge but he hits. It's like Sweeney is building a team to be physical against other teams D but his D is small and non physical, you would think if you were building your offense to physically punish or at least not be pushed around by other teams D's you would make your defense bigger and tougher instead of what they have.

His last few drafts he's targeted pretty much only D who are over 6 foot 2 and some nasty guys like Edwards and that late pick from this year.

I think this is the direction he wants to go, but maybe he's going to wait until he has more cap space next year with Gryz and Forbort gone.