2023 NHL Playoffs Around the League

[JKP]

I look forward to this time of year for all these great stats…

 

[Osakahaus]

Kraken forcing a game 7 against Dallas and Colorado was not on my bingo card this year

 

[BelovedIsles]

Then you don't have Palmieri. That's fine if you said that at the time but I wouldn't assume Eberle would be playing the same way here as he is in Seattle right now. They are different rosters, running a different system, and Eberle is a notoriously streaky player. We saw Eberle for years be streaky and have great start to the playoffs, only to fizzle as the team got deeper and deeper. I maintain he wasn't the answer for this team and they needed to move on from him. Swapping him for Palmieri this season wouldn't have changed much for this team. Was Palmieri the best choice to replace him? Maybe not, especially given his injury history these days. Hindsight is 20/20 though.

I feel like I've had this debate so many times. Ebs and Palms aren'y significant enough difference makers. They both have different skillsets, but do not move the needle enough. With that said, I know you have an affinity for him, but I would've hung on to Ebs and forced SEA to take Bailey. Ebs + Palms > Bailey + Palms. That's how I see it.

 

[xECK29x]

The main trade board is funny. Just keep refreshing to see all the new proposals involving TOR players.

So a normal day on the trade board?

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

I feel like I've had this debate so many times. Ebs and Palms aren'y significant enough difference makers. They both have different skillsets, but do not move the needle enough. With that said, I know you have an affinity for him, but I would've hung on to Ebs and forced SEA to take Bailey. Ebs + Palms > Bailey + Palms. That's how I see it.

How do you force them to take Bailey?

 

[leeroggy]

How do you force them to take Bailey?

Send Ron Francis a couple of Vegas show girls and place a lock on them that only is removed after the expansion draft pick is made . . .

Follow up with Bones45 taping a video extolling all Bailey has done for the Islander fan base in social media interest

If that failed, tell Francis he's the next Goodfellas cast member in Jimmy's Lufthansa heist crew

 

[The Real JT]

How do you force them to take Bailey?

Attach a second round pick and B prospect (if needed). Considering the level of Bailey’s play at that time, that’s a reasonable proposition.

That’s also way less than the Isles parted with for the Vegas expansion draft. That was a 1st and a 2nd round pick for Grabovski and Bischoff. In turn Vegas selected Berube.

Once again, hindsight is the clear winner.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

Attach a second round pick and B prospect (if needed). Considering the level of Bailey’s play at that time, that’s a reasonable proposition.

That’s also way less than the Isles parted with for the Vegas expansion draft. That was a 1st and a 2nd round pick for Grabovski and Bischoff. In turn Vegas selected Berube.

Once again, hindsight is the clear winner.

I mean, that's a hypothetical based on nothing, but okay.

 

[PK Cronin]

I feel like I've had this debate so many times. Ebs and Palms aren'y significant enough difference makers. They both have different skillsets, but do not move the needle enough. With that said, I know you have an affinity for him, but I would've hung on to Ebs and forced SEA to take Bailey. Ebs + Palms > Bailey + Palms. That's how I see it.

I agree with you that neither is moving the needle, and that's precisely my point. We saw years of Eberle not being able to do enough to get the team over the hump, it was time to try something new with Palmieri. So far that hasn't worked out. That doesn't mean Eberle was the answer all along. Maybe neither of them are.

Again, I'm pretty sure there were rumblings that Seattle wouldn't have taken Bailey and wanted Martin/Clutterbuck. Then the Islanders would've been stuck with the same team as the year before, sans Palmieri and Zajac.

Attach a second round pick and B prospect (if needed). Considering the level of Bailey’s play at that time, that’s a reasonable proposition.

That’s also way less than the Isles parted with for the Vegas expansion draft. That was a 1st and a 2nd round pick for Grabovski and Bischoff. In turn Vegas selected Berube.

Once again, hindsight is the clear winner.

Then we'd be hearing about the mismanagement of sending picks away to keep a mediocre Eberle. Bailey was still productive at that time, with 35 points in 54 games. He also had 13 points in 19 playoff games. Paying an asset to get rid of a productive player would've been a mistake when you could just lose one for free.

The idea was Palmieri would replace what Eberle did production wise, while providing something different up front. Bailey would still be the same level of production and offers more versatility up and down the lineup than Eberle did. That drove Eberle out.

Maybe it was the wrong move but it's not like it was some half baked logic.

 

[leeroggy]

Since today is Mother's Day, we need to also acknowledge this is also celebrated in May:

 

[The Real JT]

Attach a second round pick and B prospect (if needed). Considering the level of Bailey’s play at that time, that’s a reasonable proposition.

That’s also way less than the Isles parted with for the Vegas expansion draft. That was a 1st and a 2nd round pick for Grabovski and Bischoff. In turn Vegas selected Berube.

Once again, hindsight is the clear winner.

I mean, that's a hypothetical based on nothing, but okay.

Now this is why I come to HFBoards. Well done.

Of course it’s a hypothetical.

 

[MJF]

Since today is Mother's Day, we need to also acknowledge this is also celebrated in May:

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It’s late this year. Usually this is right after Easter.

 

[CupHolders]

Now this is why I come to HFBoards. Well done.

Of course it’s a hypothetical.

A primary criticism that Francis received in his handling of the expansion draft was that he was not only holding teams hostage with exorbitant costs for taking certain players; but refusing to lower his ask once it was clear that teams were not willing to pay.

As has been said before, the Isles wanted to ensure ~5m in cap left the team. Guiding Seattle to either Eberle or Bailey was the best way to ensure that.

The Isles reportedly tried to trade Eberle, just as they did Leddy. Unfortunately, there was no market.

 

[leeroggy]

It’s late this year. Usually this is right after Easter.

Like Passover too!

 

[Zeeker]

It’s a Sunday, there’s one playoff game scheduled, and it’s at 10pm Eastern time.

 

[MJF]

It’s a Sunday, there’s one playoff game scheduled, and it’s at 10pm Eastern time.

Yeah that’s annoying. I was sure they would move the start time to 8PM.

 

[PK Cronin]

A primary criticism that Francis received in his handling of the expansion draft was that he was not only holding teams hostage with exorbitant costs for taking certain players; but refusing to lower his ask once it was clear that teams were not willing to pay.

As has been said before, the Isles wanted to ensure ~5m in cap left the team. Guiding Seattle to either Eberle or Bailey was the best way to ensure that.

The Isles reportedly tried to trade Eberle, just as they did Leddy. Unfortunately, there was no market.

The flat cap followed by the expansion draft really f***ed things up for a lot of teams.

 

[NC 1972]

I like him, and he's a good player, but he's basically Clutterbuck.

Agreed but with great speed

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

A primary criticism that Francis received in his handling of the expansion draft was that he was not only holding teams hostage with exorbitant costs for taking certain players; but refusing to lower his ask once it was clear that teams were not willing to pay.

He also wasn't dealing in picks like Vegas did. He picked players he wanted.

 

[Osakahaus]

I like him, and he's a good player, but he's basically Clutterbuck.

*A better clutterbuck

Honestly Wood is someone who should replace 'buck at this point

 

[doublechili]

He also wasn't dealing in picks like Vegas did. He picked players he wanted.

I was going to jump in and ask - did SEA make any deals to get picks in exchange for picking/not picking certain players? My recollection is there may have been zero. So we're expecting the only exception to be for Josh Bailey?

 

[PK Cronin]

I was going to jump in and ask - did SEA make any deals to get picks in exchange for picking/not picking certain players? My recollection is there may have been zero. So we're expecting the only exception to be for Josh Bailey?

I believe that you are correct. They made zero trades.

 

[PK Cronin]

Two goals in a minute to start off game 6 between Vegas and Edmonton, wow.

 

[eoin92]

I was going to jump in and ask - did SEA make any deals to get picks in exchange for picking/not picking certain players? My recollection is there may have been zero. So we're expecting the only exception to be for Josh Bailey?

There were zero trades/picks for not taking certain players from teams. I believe Francis was absolutely ripped for his handling of the draft. Pretty sure he was labeled a failure.

 

[BelovedIsles]

How do you force them to take Bailey?

Protect Ebs, and expose Clutter or MM. Chances are, they take Bailey over the 4th liners.