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2023 NHL Entry Draft

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NotProkofievian said:
I'm not arguing that he wasn't a great prospect, and that he didn't deserve his 6th overall selection. I'm saying that he developed extremely well. You called that revisionist, multiple times, and that's been shown to be incorrect.

If what Seider was to become was obvious at the time, he would have been selected ahead of Byram and Kakko.
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Kakko looks like a bust.

The point here is that Seider was a fantastic talent with fantastic traits. He didn’t simply develop his hands and playmaking ability post draft. Those traits were part of the equation of him going 6th
 
DramaticGloveSave said:
Kakko looks like a bust.

The point here is that Seider was a fantastic talent with fantastic traits. He didn’t simply develop his hands and playmaking ability post draft. Those traits were part of the equation of him going 6th
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I would like to see Kakko on a 2nd line, and more than 14 min/game before to say « he is a bust ». He played on the 3rd line in NY all year ling and produce 40 pts. I take it any day of the week in MTL. He is also 22 years old..
 
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SuzukiSZN said:
Aaron Portzline (for real this time lol) said he thinks there’s a few teams that has Smith before Carlsson on their draft list.
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Carlsson has the most variance in public scout lists in the top 4 and more often than not in 4th place. So I wouldn't be surprised if this was true. Now the question is if any of those teams are drafting before the Habs...
 
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DramaticGloveSave said:
Bullocks. Seider displayed traits that Reinbacher never did. This is classic HF revisionist history. Didn’t like a player who ended up great? Well his development post draft was just stellar! This is the inverse of the blaming development when your guy sucks strategy.
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You’re really inferring here. I liked Seider in his draft year. But to say it’s revisionism that his development path wasn’t unexpected is what is bollocks. You think it is perfectly normal that he had 6 points in the German league his draft year and then 3 years later had a 50 point rookie NHL season? I mean come on.

Detroit clearly saw something as they took him 6th when he was rated in the teens. But no one else thought it would be this good this quick.
 
le_sean said:
You’re really inferring here. I liked Seider in his draft year. But to say it’s revisionism that his development path wasn’t unexpected is what is bollocks. You think it is perfectly normal that he had 6 points in the German league his draft year and then 3 years later had a 50 point rookie NHL season? I mean come on.

Detroit clearly saw something as they took him 6th when he was rated in the teens. But no one else thought it would be this good this quick.
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The thing is, DGS had Seider ranked as a tier 2 player. There's nothing wrong with that, if you look at the rest of the players he listed as tier 2, it's a pretty good list. It had Caufield, Boldy, Zegras, Cozens. But it also had guys like Broberg, Podkolzin, York, Krebs, Knight, and Turcotte.

If any one of those guys hits, it's ''you're all revisionist, I knew it all along.'' If those guys bust you don't hear about it. There's no reason for any of this: this is the way the draft goes. Even at the top of the draft, you have hits and misses.
 
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le_sean said:
You’re really inferring here. I liked Seider in his draft year. But to say it’s revisionism that his development path wasn’t unexpected is what is bollocks. You think it is perfectly normal that he had 6 points in the German league his draft year and then 3 years later had a 50 point rookie NHL season? I mean come on.

Detroit clearly saw something as they took him 6th when he was rated in the teens. But no one else thought it would be this good this quick.
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he showed a lot at the WCs. He showed he was ready to play at the highest levels and was ready to be impactful. Sometimes stats don’t tell the whole story.
 
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There’s a wannabe scout that I see all the time on Twitter (I don’t even follow him, f***in’ Elon), Daniel Ferland, that believes this draft is highly overrated. That after the top 4, it’s not as good as they say (he proclaims he saw all of them play a lot). Those who have followed these prospects, what is your opinion on this guy’s evaluation?

Also, Leroux sees Fantilli as 5th best, heard that ‘alledgedly’ Fantilli doesn’t always understand the game like he should. Has Smith ahead of him. You agree?
 
dinodebino said:
There’s a wannabe scout that I see all the time on Twitter (I don’t even follow him, f***in’ Elon), Daniel Ferland, that believes this draft is highly overrated. That after the top 4, it’s not as good as they say (he proclaims he saw all of them play a lot). Those who have followed these prospects, what is your opinion on this guy’s evaluation?

Also, Leroux sees Fantilli as 5th best, heard that ‘alledgedly’ Fantilli doesn’t always understand the game like he should. Has Smith ahead of him. You agree?
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Might as well win Bedard/Michkov and make this point moot.
 
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SuzukiSZN said:
Aaron Portzline (for real this time lol) said he thinks there’s a few teams that has Smith before Carlsson on their draft list.
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Aaron Portzline has zero connection to any internal discussions on any team.....why even mention it? I am 100% certain that I am closer with such people and they would never tell me lol. He simply likes Smith a lot and is just leaning into his bias as many click hungry social media monkeys are compelled to do.

Too many buffoons who are entirely bereft of any inside knowledge are quoted on this board way too often. Their blatherings enter the ether and remain there to be later confused/conflated for/with factual evidence.
 
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dinodebino said:
There’s a wannabe scout that I see all the time on Twitter (I don’t even follow him, f***in’ Elon), Daniel Ferland, that believes this draft is highly overrated. That after the top 4, it’s not as good as they say (he proclaims he saw all of them play a lot). Those who have followed these prospects, what is your opinion on this guy’s evaluation?

Also, Leroux sees Fantilli as 5th best, heard that ‘alledgedly’ Fantilli doesn’t always understand the game like he should. Has Smith ahead of him. You agree?
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Short answer: no.

Long answer: No no no.:rolleyes:
 
People comparing Reinbacher to Guhle like it's a bad thing. What he did this season as a rookie playing top D minutes was unbelievable and he looks like the real deal.

The fact he has similar qualities to Seider makes me go Hnnnng.

As someone who wanted Jiricek badly last season (yes I had Wright 1OV), going with Reinbacher this year would make me extremely happy.

I have no idea how people don't see his potential. I think it's just because we've been craving for a top end forward for a long time.
 
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dinodebino said:
There’s a wannabe scout that I see all the time on Twitter (I don’t even follow him, f***in’ Elon), Daniel Ferland, that believes this draft is highly overrated. That after the top 4, it’s not as good as they say (he proclaims he saw all of them play a lot). Those who have followed these prospects, what is your opinion on this guy’s evaluation?

Also, Leroux sees Fantilli as 5th best, heard that ‘alledgedly’ Fantilli doesn’t always understand the game like he should. Has Smith ahead of him. You agree?
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Maybe. But I'm not betting on it.
 
Seb said:
People comparing Reinbacher to Guhle like it's a bad thing. What his did this season as a rookie playing top D minutes was unbelievable and he looks like the real deal.

The fact he's having similar qualities to Seider makes me go Hnnnng.

As someone who wanted Jiricek badly last season (yes I had Wright 1OV), going with Reinbacher this year would make me extremely happy.

I have no idea how people don't see his potential. I think it's just because we've been craving for a top end forward for a long time.
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Okay but the question is, is Reinbacher better than any of the other forwards, or even Pelikka
 
Goldenhands said:
I had Seider ranked 4th in his draft year, higher than anyone or any list. The offensive tools were pretty raw, but defensively he was just a beast of his own, you could see at that stage that he was going to be an elite shutdown defenseman with some interesting offensive tools to develop.

Reinbacher is in the same mold, the way he crushes players and closes gap quickly is really impressive, the way he thinks the game is pretty advanced at that stage of his development, displays great maturity, high IQ and his offensive tools are more impressive than Seider'ones in his draft year.

So what you get in Reinbacher is the total package, a kid who will play against the other teams top lines, a guy who can generate alot of offensive with steady defending.
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That is the big picture that most people are always missing with defenseman.
They want them to be offensive juggernaut while I want them to be defensive juggernaut. As long as they have decent offensive tools and can create some offense I do not care about their offensive stats. I want my top defenseman to be able to shadow the other team star forward and play 30 minutes per game.
Reinbacher seem to be in that mold. I could not careless if he is not the next Makar or Karlsson offensively. I want him to be an Hedman or a Weber.
 
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dinodebino said:
There’s a wannabe scout that I see all the time on Twitter (I don’t even follow him, f***in’ Elon), Daniel Ferland, that believes this draft is highly overrated. That after the top 4, it’s not as good as they say (he proclaims he saw all of them play a lot). Those who have followed these prospects, what is your opinion on this guy’s evaluation?

Also, Leroux sees Fantilli as 5th best, heard that ‘alledgedly’ Fantilli doesn’t always understand the game like he should. Has Smith ahead of him. You agree?
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There is a little bit of truth to that. Drafts tend to get ranked upon the number of elite players and not the overall quality/depth. Last years draft was a terrible draft to pick #1 in and was widely accepted as a weak draft class solely based on this. The truth is that it was a very good draft class as there were legitimate 1st rounders available well into the middle of the second round.

I do think that this is a strong draft class but after the top 5 I do not think that it is better than last years. I personally think last years crop is one of the deepest groups that I have ever seen. This year's class is still relatively deep but ultimately will be carried by the top 4 picks.

This year is better for teams who finished at the bottom of the standings but for teams with multiple 1st round and 2nd picks outside of the top 4 last season's draft was clearly superior imo.

It really sucks as a Habs fan because if we drafted 5th -7th last season and 1st this season as opposed to what will likely take place we would be much better off.
 
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Seb said:
People comparing Reinbacher to Guhle like it's a bad thing. What he did this season as a rookie playing top D minutes was unbelievable and he looks like the real deal.

The fact he has similar qualities to Seider makes me go Hnnnng.

As someone who wanted Jiricek badly last season (yes I had Wright 1OV), going with Reinbacher this year would make me extremely happy.

I have no idea how people don't see his potential. I think it's just because we've been craving for a top end forward for a long time.
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Agreed. Jiricek was my favourite player in the draft last year. I like him better than Reinbacher due to play style (everything always dialled to 11) but do think Reinbacher is an excellent prospect.

I think his offensive upside is better than Guhle’s appeared to be in his draft year, but Guhle has grown leaps and bounds since then, and his production in the NHL came as a great surprise.

Physically and defensively, Reinbacher is just really impressive because he’s playing in a professional Men’s league, on a larger ice surface. Put him in the CHL and I think he’d look like an absolute monster.
 
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