2023 NHL Entry Draft

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I get the sense Reinbacher is getting overhyped here for 5 due to positional needs a la KK in 2018.

If anything Reinbacher is being insufficiently hyped elsewhere. Best D year season in the NL since Matthews. Best in NL history by a defenseman, and comparable to Roman Josi's D+1 year.

I wonder if the hype will catch up after the WCs like it did with Seider.
 
If anything Reinbacher is being insufficiently hyped elsewhere. Best D year season in the NL since Matthews. Best in NL history by a defenseman, and comparable to Roman Josi's D+1 year.

I wonder if the hype will catch up after the WCs like it did with Seider.

I think it will/should.

After watching how badly Tampa has done without Hedman or Cernak, you start to value how much a 1/2 defenseman does for your team.

I'm happy with the team if their top 7 is Bedard Carlsson Fantilli Michkov Smith Benson Reinbacher

I don't think there's anyone else who's announced themselves into that group, and if we take from that group we've added a high end talent up front or created a future contending blueline.
 
Kind of sad and good at the same time, but seems to me there won’t be much difference between who we get at 5 and who we get at 17- unless we take Michkov at 5.

This second tier is just massive.

It's massive, but my sense is it will be hard to project which of these 17/18 year olds will boom and which will bust. Hopefully our scouts can get at least one of them right.
 
I think it will/should.

After watching how badly Tampa has done without Hedman or Cernak, you start to value how much a 1/2 defenseman does for your team.

I'm happy with the team if their top 7 is Bedard Carlsson Fantilli Michkov Smith Benson Reinbacher

I don't think there's anyone else who's announced themselves into that group, and if we take from that group we've added a high end talent up front or created a future contending blueline.
Exactly my point, no disrespect to Benson Smith but a 1D potential having played at pro level already should be considered BPA at 5 (potentially even earlier)
 
Exactly my point, no disrespect to Benson Smith but a 1D potential having played at pro level already should be considered BPA at 5 (potentially even earlier)
The opportunity is there to play a lot of minutes in Laval as well. Though with Norlinder, Trudeau, Struble, Tourigny and possibly Mailloux, it’s looking a little young. It would be important to have a couple of veterans.
 
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"Talent" alone (if we forget the Russia factor) here is my current top 10.

1. Bedard
2. Michkov
3. Fantilli
4. Carlsson
5. Smith
6. Benson
7. Reinbacher
8. Sandin-Pellika
9. Leonard
10. Dvorsky

Separation between #5 and #10 is small enough that a bad interview/slight attitude problems could be a difference maker. Since I don't have access to that kind of insight, I'd trust current management and be satisfied with any of those players with our 1st pick... Especially if we have the opportunity to draft Smith, with Hughes that knows him so well.

The 2 defensemen could be seen as a bit of a reach, but high ceiling RHD are very valuable, and it fills a big need.

Not a fan of drafting for need, but we'll see.
 
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I like Benson a lot. I think he’s like a better Suzuki. But in this draft, to take a guy that needs to improve his skating and his shot, will take a lot of balls since you will be passing on someone else with elite tools.

Can he make plays like Marner? Yes. Does he work hard defensively like Marner? Yes. But does he have the elusiveness and edgework that make Marner elite? Not yet.

I like Benson a lot. I think he’s like a better Suzuki. But in this draft, to take a guy that needs to improve his skating and his shot, will take a lot of balls since you will be passing on someone else with elite tools.

Can he make plays like Marner? Yes. Does he work hard defensively like Marner? Yes. But does he have the elusiveness and edgework that make Marner elite? Not yet.
Marner has an edge though. His own and vision are second to none
 
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In the same series projected late 1st to early 2nd rounder Kalan Lind is likely done for the playoffs after receiving a nasty hit and got stretchered off last game. Not so much a target for me as it is difficult to see him have an impactful enough role on a team that warrants taking him as high as he projects. Never the less very gross hit.


I would take him in round 3 if he’s still there
 
If anything Reinbacher is being insufficiently hyped elsewhere. Best D year season in the NL since Matthews. Best in NL history by a defenseman, and comparable to Roman Josi's D+1 year.

I wonder if the hype will catch up after the WCs like it did with Seider.
For me the issue is that there kind of a disconnect between is point total and how he is getting those point. I guess will see at the WC, but I would be surprised to see similar progression to Seider, Seider before WC he was a big guy, big shot, willing to take the body, played a very smart and controlled game and shown some good things carrying or making outlet pass at time… At WC he was night and day all these attributes seem even more evident and dynamic. But even if he show elite celling is floor is probably still a reliable top 4.
 
For me the issue is that there kind of a disconnect between is point total and how he is getting those point. I guess will see at the WC, but I would be surprised to see similar progression to Seider, Seider before WC he was a big guy, big shot, willing to take the body, played a very smart and controlled game and shown some good things carrying or making outlet pass at time… At WC he was night and day all these attributes seem even more evident and dynamic. But even if he show elite celling is floor is probably still a reliable top 4.
If the Reinbacher boys wanna be taking seriously, first thing is they need to stop comparing the kid to Seider. Seider was the more impressive specimen and had tremendous hands and passing ability for a big defenseman.

If all these swedes are moving up the boards, there might be a problem with your evaluation.

IE. Its been two games.
I haven’t even evaluated them yet. But they clearly are moving up rankings as they look like the dominant team of the tourney thus far.
 
For me the issue is that there kind of a disconnect between is point total and how he is getting those point. I guess will see at the WC, but I would be surprised to see similar progression to Seider, Seider before WC he was a big guy, big shot, willing to take the body, played a very smart and controlled game and shown some good things carrying or making outlet pass at time… At WC he was night and day all these attributes seem even more evident and dynamic. But even if he show elite celling is floor is probably still a reliable top 4.
Whats the disconnect? Hes producing in pro ways lol, youd want him to produce like Smith? Doodle around the zone and deke everyone including the refs to score?

If the Reinbacher boys wanna be taking seriously, first thing is they need to stop comparing the kid to Seider. Seider was the more impressive specimen and had tremendous hands and passing ability for a big defenseman.


I haven’t even evaluated them yet. But they clearly are moving up rankings as they look like the dominant team of the tourney thus far.
The Seider comparison comes from people who don't watch him and draw the lazy NL-DEL and AUS - GER parallel.

Reinbachers passing is just as good as Seider, also. True that his hands are lesser, his only weakness.
 
Whats the disconnect? Hes producing in pro ways lol, youd want him to produce like Smith? Doodle around the zone and deke everyone including the refs to score?


The Seider comparison comes from people who don't watch him and draw the lazy NL-DEL and AUS - GER parallel.

Reinbachers passing is just as good as Seider, also. True that his hands are lesser, his only weakness.
Reinbacher is a fine passer, but there’s a creativity to Seiders playmaking that Reinbacher has never shown.
 
Reinbacher is a fine passer, but there’s a creativity to Seiders playmaking that Reinbacher has never shown.
You don't have to be creative when you make the right play all the time. He pushes the pace and opens up passing lanes with his aggressive play.

I can tell from how people talk about reinbacher, who has actually watched him.
Does he have the offensive potential to be a 1D?
Yes.
I think so. He's a great passer, and overall an aggressive player who tries to make the best play, not just the safe play. I think he'll have a big impact for whatever team picks him.
His aggressiveness really is great. Ive seen him jump in the play so often, I really question if people even bother watching highlight videos before commenting on a prospect or if a two line description from september is enough for them.
 
If the Reinbacher boys wanna be taking seriously, first thing is they need to stop comparing the kid to Seider. Seider was the more impressive specimen and had tremendous hands and passing ability for a big defenseman.


I haven’t even evaluated them yet. But they clearly are moving up rankings as they look like the dominant team of the tourney thus far.
I feel like most people prefer situating him against Nemec and Jiricek. The Seider comparisons are mostly situational Austrian/German D who rises late in the year becuase he was underscouted.

See personnally I really like Reinbacher and for drfat years my rankings are Nemec>Reinbacher>Jiricek.

Reinbacher is almost as impressive as Nemec in his draft year. He is less of a horse than Seider for sure, but I think he shows more poise and consistency in his decision making. And to me, poise and decision making are the two first qualities that translate the best to the NHL. Especially for guys who already play in pro leagues.

Its hard to scout that type of D in juniors, because you can't really know if their processing speed will adjust to playing against men (think of Haydn Fleury and Noah Dobson who were drafted high as steady and mobile dmen). I think Reinbacher mitigates that risk a bit, because he already shows that consistency in a very good pro league.

Going back to the Seider thing, Reinbacher is also clearly more impressive than Broberg in his draft year with, I would say, equivalent tools. So okay Seider was a more impressive prospect, but Reinbacher would have been out 8th oa in a VERY strong 2019 draft. He is clearly a top 6-7 prospect in this draft at the moment.
 
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