2023 NHL Entry Draft

[WeThreeKings]

Dvorsky can put the puck in the net better than Will Smith and brings a much better all around game. He is bigger, stronger and has a good deal of talent as well. Put Dvorsky between Leonard and Perreault and you get the same offensive results, kid produced at a 2PP pace in junior as well with lesser talented linemates and much weaker team. On another side, put Smith in Dvorsky's shoes in a pro men league and he cant play more than an handful of games. way too weak, too flawed and the skating isnt pro level yet.

If Dvorsky can get around the Allsvenskan with his skating, Smith could just fine.

18 year old needs to get stronger and better defensively? Wow, novel.. he'll never progress over that. The offensive things Dvorsky needs to work on are less likely to improve than an 18 year old getting stronger and learning to play a pro game defensively.

 

[Jack Skellington]

This footage is certainly interesting

 

[Playmaker09]

Just to put it into context, Cole Perfetti was softer, slower and smaller than Will Smith at the same age.

I was not a fan of him in his draft year, yet even he's doing just fine.

You're missing the forest for the trees with this one.

 

[PavelBrendl]

Dach is a career 35% on faceoffs and doesn’t seem to be improving, and people are claiming we’re set up the middle? That we’re stocked up on 200-foot players at the position? I don’t believe he will finish his career as a C, and he’s not really a 2-way guy.

I think this fanbase has turned against players who play a strong 2-way game because that’s how low-ceiling players have been branded to us again and again over the years. And probably also the fact that Dvorak is the most boring mfer in the league. Guys, it doesn’t have to be that way.

 

[Goldenhands]

If Dvorsky can get around the Allsvenskan with his skating, Smith could just fine.

18 year old needs to get stronger and better defensively? Wow, novel.. he'll never progress over that. The offensive things Dvorsky needs to work on are less likely to improve than an 18 year old getting stronger and learning to play a pro game defensively.

Its all suggestive and we could debate very long on the matter, but when I watch a kid like Benson who is 5'9 about 160 lbs battling for pucks and then watch Smith, one is playing like he was 6 + ft tall while the other battles like he was 5'6. I will let you guess who is who... I could say the same about a kid like Brindley or even Moore, all are smaller than Smith and yet play much bigger.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Dach is a career 35% on faceoffs and doesn’t seem to be improving, and people are claiming we’re set up the middle? That we’re stocked up on 200-foot players at the position? I don’t believe he will finish his career as a C, and he’s not really a 2-way guy.

I think this fanbase has turned against players who play a strong 2-way game because that’s how low-ceiling players have been branded to us again and again over the years. And probably also the fact that Dvorak is the most boring mfer in the league. Guys, it doesn’t have to be that way.

Its all suggestive and we could debate very long on the matter, but when I watch a kid like Benson who is 5'9 about 160 lbs battling for pucks and then watch Smith, one is playing like he was 6 + ft tall while the other battle like he was 5'6. I will let you guess who is who... I could say the same about a kid like Brindley or even Moore, are all smaller than Smith and play much bigger.

Ah well that explains it, you have a particular style that you think all players should play and if they don't go all out with their effort levels and compete, you don't really value that player.

I'll take Suzuki over Gallagher 10 thousand times over and when I watch Gallagher over Suzuki, I can tell you which one battles harder and expends more energy every shift, but I'll also tell you which one is the more impactful player and will have a longer more lucrative and impactful career in the national hockey league and for their team.

I don't have to spend a lot of energy if I'm always where I need to be, anticipating the play and getting to that spot to get the puck and make a play. Processing speed and anticipation are the hallmarks of elite talent. Not to say Smith can't bust, anyone can bust, but those are the things that are the highest calibre with him and they were also the things that knocked Suzuki down in his draft year and had people panicking about him.

 

[Cubebrick]

There's Benson and that's pretty much it. I'm a fan of Leonard, Yager, Moore, Sale, and Dvorsky at varying degrees in the top 10 but outside of Sale and Yager, I don't think I can make an offensive package case.. and in Yager's case his processor is just not as fast as Smith's even if his motor is higher.

You could throw Cristall in there too as a kid who gets it done at his level. I'm really not a fan but he gets it done regardless of what I think of him. I agree with you mainly on Benson, Sale and Yager and I'm of the opinion that Dvorsky has it in him as well.

The thing is all the players in that range have warts in their overall game, hence my take on weighting the goods and bads. Like I often mentioned, I'm a fan of what he brings offensively but I just wish that he could play with more gusto which would fix some of the issues that I see in his game, and that's what annoys me when I watch him.

 

[Goldenhands]

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I don't have to spend a lot of energy if I'm always where I need to be, anticipating the play and getting to that spot to get the puck and make a play. Processing speed and anticipation are the hallmarks of elite talent. Not to say Smith can't bust, anyone can bust, but those are the things that are the highest calibre with him and they were also the things that knocked Suzuki down in his draft year and had people panicking about him.

You are making easy correlations to prove your point, Gallagher lacks talent and has always played like a grinder, Im takling about small players with actual talent battling much harder and playing bigger than Smith. You are right that the compete level is very important for me, thats part of your DNA or not. I like players with both skills and high compete level, talent alone wont lead you very far.

Thats it for me, have a good night.

 

[SlafySZN]

Dach is a career 35% on faceoffs and doesn’t seem to be improving, and people are claiming we’re set up the middle? That we’re stocked up on 200-foot players at the position? I don’t believe he will finish his career as a C, and he’s not really a 2-way guy.

I think this fanbase has turned against players who play a strong 2-way game because that’s how low-ceiling players have been branded to us again and again over the years. And probably also the fact that Dvorak is the most boring mfer in the league. Guys, it doesn’t have to be that way.

Dach is a very good two-way player. I’d even say he is the best two-way forward on the team.

 

[SlafySZN]

End the debates now.

We’re taking Daniil But.

 

[BergevinBurner]

End the debates now.

We’re taking Daniil But.

Sure that ends the debate on our 2nd round pick, but we still have 2 first round picks to debate

 

[PavelBrendl]

Dach is a very good two-way player. I’d even say he is the best two-way forward on the team.

I think Suzuki is substantially better.
And as much as I hate him, I think Dvorak is too.

But either way, I guess you’re gonna get a lot of opportunities to back check when you can’t win faceoffs.

 

[SlafySZN]

I think Suzuki is substantially better.
And as much as I hate him, I think Dvorak is too.

But either way, I guess you’re gonna get a lot of opportunities to back check when you can’t win faceoffs.

I don’t agree.

He has been way better than both this year.

Suzuki’s line was way better defensively and in transition with Dach on it.

 

[PavelBrendl]

I don’t agree.

He has been way better than both this year.

Suzuki’s line was way better defensively and in transition with Dach on it.

At least the last part we can agree on, because Dach played his best stretch of hockey on the wing. He’s also head and shoulders above anyone else who played alongside Suzuki and Caufield this season.

 

[Riggins]

Please don't tell me we're going to take Dvorsky. We've had like one point per game scorer (Kovalev) in three decades, just a completely inept offensive franchise for so long. At least pick a guy with a chance to be a PPG scorer.

I hope Dvorsky completely flops at the U18.

 

[SlafySZN]

At least the last part we can agree on, because Dach played his best stretch of hockey on the wing.

I also don’t agree.

His best stretch of hockey was his last 18 games or so, and he was at center. Not saying he’s bad at wing, though.

 

[SlafySZN]

Sure that ends the debate on our 2nd round pick, but we still have 2 first round picks to debate

I take him with the FLA pick.

 

[BergevinBurner]

I tale him with the FLA pick.

If Wood and But are both available with their pick do you still take him over Wood?

 

[PavelBrendl]

I also don’t agree.

His best stretch of hockey was his last 18 games or so, and he was at center. Not saying he’s bad at wing, though.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[RationalExpectations]

I don't think we should be placing much of a premium on defence at all with our 1st (unless we're taking a dman in which case it'd probably be Reinbacher anyway so a non issue).

We already have Suzuki and Dach if we need our Cs to be good two way guys, Beck in the system, etc. Don't think it makes sense to worry much about two way play for a forward when we can easily just stick a guy on the wing if his defence at C ever becomes an issue.

So to sum up MTL is set at C because of a prospect who played 1 game in the NHL and a player injured half the time who spent a good part of the season on the wing ? That seems somehow even worse than when it was declared MTL had C depth for 10 years with Suzuki KK Danault.

 

[SlafySZN]

If Wood and But are both available with their pick do you still take him over Wood?

I think i’d take Wood.

But guys like Wood, But and Honzek are the guys i would look at in that range if no one major is slipping the ranking.

 

[le_sean]

This footage is certainly interesting

Oof a rough game. I don’t like the consistent disengagement. But keep in mind it’s a Recrutes video and Grant always has a motive so he’s obviously going to pick the worst game.

 

[JoelWarlord]

So to sum up MTL is set at C because of a prospect who played 1 game in the NHL and a player injured half the time who spent a good part of the season on the wing ? That seems somehow even worse than when it was declared MTL had C depth for 10 years with Suzuki KK Danault.

How about you just read what I wrote instead of what you imagined I wrote? You can't get every positive attribute you want in every player. You have to look at what you're missing and what's hardest to find, and make the cost/benefit analysis. I never even said we shouldn't pick a C, I said we should swing big on upside at C because if the defensive flaws mean a guy like Smith ends up as a winger, that's an acceptable outcome as well.

My position is not that Suzuki and Dach are the be all end all and we have prime Bergeron and Brind'Amour on the roster. It's that at minimum Suzuki is already here to be the matchup C and Dach is a solid two way C as well. No they are not perfect as a duo, but we are not in such dire need of a two-way C that we should be fretting about defensive acumen in the top ~5-7 of the draft if we're taking a forward. It's not like we can't acquire a defensive 3C if needed too, teams have won cups with Brayden Schenn and Evgeni Kuznetsov at 2C with Backstrom/Eller and O'Reilly/Bozak doing the defensive work.

Sure, if we could draft Ryan O'Reilly 2.0 I would 100% do that over a flashier player who puts up 10 more points but is a less effective two-way player. But on balance of probabilities, I think the Canadiens 5 years from now are much more likely to be in need of a dynamic offensive talent than we are going to be in need of a second two-way matchup C alongside Suzuki.

 

[Pazucha]

There is a lot of talk about Dvorsky for no reason, they are not picking another forward from Europe that plays in mens league unless his name is Carlsson or Michkov.

I think they will be aiming for prospect that has a good season in North America. So i think Sale and Dvorsky are very unlikely getting picked unless they have historical performance in U18.

But wouldn't it be typical if they skip both of them and they become stars.

 

[ReHabs]

Listen, on a hockey level standpoint I 100% agree, but I just cant see Molson assuming a such risk, thats a huge hot potatoe to handle, they are the businessmen, we are only fans.

For heaven’s sake it’s almost as if some of you not just accept but expect Russophobia and discrimination.

What happened to having high expectations? If they skip on Michkov they should be criticized.

Sadly, I’m certain many people will shrug it off or even applaud it, and another bit of our collective humanity gets chipped away.

Oof a rough game. I don’t like the consistent disengagement. But keep in mind it’s a Recrutes video and Grant always has a motive so he’s obviously going to pick the worst game.

@Kobe Armstrong this caution is why many people on Twitter and (it appears) here don’t respect Grant McCagg.