2023 NHL Entry Draft

[WeThreeKings]

Does the 2024 or 2025 draft have a better prospect than Bedard? Michael Misa?

Nope.

Misa looks really good but he's not Bedard level.

 

[RationalExpectations]

You do not pick Reinbacher ahead of Benson or Smith. You just don't.

Depends how you see Reinbacher. Seider was taken ahead of Caufield only time will tell who was right

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Whenever people talk about 2018, I remember how outta whack my ideal pick would have been considering we drafted 3rd and he went 11th or 12 (Dobson) then again, I'd take Dobson over that KK pick 10/10 times

I had Dobson very high as well, think he’s just scratching the surface still and already a great player.

 

[WeThreeKings]

 

[RationalExpectations]

Reinbacher doesn't have that dynamic offensive game that Jiricek has, their similarities offensively is the big shot but Jiricek is much more implicated in the rush, will jump in on the cycle, etc.

Reinbacher does have a more polished defensive game.

Reinbacher should end up in the top 10 of -most- draft lists, he did come out of nowhere. He's an Austrian defender playing in the Swiss league.

Reinbacher is a mix of Jiricek an Nemec, weaker defensive IQ and transition game than Nemec, weaker shot than Jiricek. Good mix of the two styles though.

 

[WeThreeKings]

 

[BoneHutson]

I can see why a team would prefer Reinbacher to Benson (even though I think Benson clearly is the guy with the greatest potential after that top 4), but in MTL's case, I don't see the fit. We have Guhle, Barron, Harris and Xhekaj who are all NHL defencement and good ones. Matheson is here to stay (at least for the next 3 years) and we have Hutson (potential first pairing), Mailloux (potential high scoring PP specialist) and Engstrom who's had one of the best D+1 SHL season in recent history for a Dmen. Thats 8! really good dmen. Why go the Reinbacher route when there's so much offensive talent available?

Oh and Trudeau is doing amazingly well for a guy who could have went back in the Q this year.

 

[RationalExpectations]

I had Dobson very high as well, think he’s just scratching the surface still and already a great player.

Same for me but I am not going to brag since I had Dobson ahead of KK but also Boqvist ahead of KK and Tkachuk

 

[BoneHutson]

I'm absolutely on team "move Florida's pick to get Carlsson at 3".

We need the quality > quantity so badly.

Benson is very close to those guys and there's a real chance that he ends up a top 3 guy in a redraft in 5-6 years. We'd be blessed to draft him that kind of player imo

 

[RationalExpectations]

I can see why a team would prefer Reinbacher to Benson (even though I think Benson clearly is the guy with the greatest potential after that top 4), but in MTL's case, I don't see the fit. We have Guhle, Barron, Harris and Xhekaj who are all NHL defencement and good ones. Matheson is here to stay (at least for the next 3 years) and we have Hutson (potential first pairing), Mailloux (potential high scoring PP specialist) and Engstrom who's had one of the best D+1 SHL season in recent history for a Dmen. Thats 8! really good dmen. Why go the Reinbacher route when there's so much offensive talent available?

Oh and Trudeau is doing amazingly well for a guy who could have went back in the Q this year.

Of the plyers you mention, only Barron and Mailloux are RHDs. The former is showing potential to be a top 4D but does not seem top 2D material. Mailloux is a big question mark. If you think Reinbacher could become a top 2D, you take it no hesitation. Also Guhle has yet to show that he can stay healthy while Harris, Xhekaj are rather bottom pairing who could take over top 4 duties in case of injuries. I like Engstrom but he is a maybe.

 

[Vachon23]

I can see why a team would prefer Reinbacher to Benson (even though I think Benson clearly is the guy with the greatest potential after that top 4), but in MTL's case, I don't see the fit. We have Guhle, Barron, Harris and Xhekaj who are all NHL defencement and good ones. Matheson is here to stay (at least for the next 3 years) and we have Hutson (potential first pairing), Mailloux (potential high scoring PP specialist) and Engstrom who's had one of the best D+1 SHL season in recent history for a Dmen. Thats 8! really good dmen. Why go the Reinbacher route when there's so much offensive talent available?

Oh and Trudeau is doing amazingly well for a guy who could have went back in the Q this year.

Because in the list you name, only Barron and Mailloux are RD

And I don't see a #1 Dmen in that list (maybe Guhle but more sure he's a cornerstone DMen)

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

I can see why a team would prefer Reinbacher to Benson (even though I think Benson clearly is the guy with the greatest potential after that top 4), but in MTL's case, I don't see the fit. We have Guhle, Barron, Harris and Xhekaj who are all NHL defencement and good ones. Matheson is here to stay (at least for the next 3 years) and we have Hutson (potential first pairing), Mailloux (potential high scoring PP specialist) and Engstrom who's had one of the best D+1 SHL season in recent history for a Dmen. Thats 8! really good dmen. Why go the Reinbacher route when there's so much offensive talent available?

Oh and Trudeau is doing amazingly well for a guy who could have went back in the Q this year.

I agree unless the D prospect is elite like with last year's top D draftees, it's not worth it when you can take a high end forward. Hopefully Habs don't have to worry about that and get a top 4 pick

 

[WeThreeKings]

I agree unless the D prospect is elite like with last year's top D draftees, it's not worth it when you can take a high end forward. Hopefully Habs don't have to worry about that and get a top 4 pick

I can certainly make the argument that Reinbacher is every bit as good as Nemec.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Same for me but I am not going to brag since I had Dobson ahead of KK but also Boqvist ahead of KK and Tkachuk

After Dahlin and Svech, I had Tkachuk, Zadina, Hughes and Dobson. Zadina was the one guy I was wrong on. He fooled me with his WJC.

 

[McGees]

I've seen morons saying we can't take Benson because we have Caufield, RHP, Gallagher, Farrell, Mesar, etc. Literally only Caufield is a small player that's a fixture in our future forward core. The rest of those guys are filler and half of them won't even be around in a few years or make it at all.

Why can’t you make your point without calling people morons?

 

[BoneHutson]

Because in the list you name, only Barron and Mailloux are RD

And I don't see a #1 Dmen in that list (maybe Guhle but more sure he's a cornerstone DMen)

Well, Reinbacher isnt a number one D either, though I feel like Hutson might be. And you don't need to absolutely have 3RD and 3LD to be a contender lol.

Matheson-Barron
Guhle-Hutson
Xhekaj-Mailloux
Harris-Engstrom

Is pretty solid

 

[RationalExpectations]

I can certainly make the argument that Reinbacher is every bit as good as Nemec.

I would say this : Nemec has two weaknesses - shot strength, - physical strength and Reinbacher is better than him in both areas even though the shot is not his greatest strength either. That being said, Nemec positioning and defensive IQ are elite for a player of his age and while I think Reinbacher has those qualities he does not have them at Nemec level. Skating + transition game is also better on Nemec side.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I would say this : Nemec has two weaknesses - shot strength, - physical strength and Reinbacher is better than him in both areas even though the shot is not his greatest strength either. That being said, Nemec positioning and defensive IQ are elite for a player of his age and while I think Reinbacher has those qualities he does not have them at Nemec level. Skating + transition game is also better on Nemec side.

Reinbacher has a bomb of a shot.

 

[BoneHutson]

Why can’t you make your point without calling people morons?

Because claiming MTL shouldn't take Benson because they already have some small second tier prospects is the closest Ive seen to a Normand Flynn quote who'd probably go top 3 in a morons draft

 

[RationalExpectations]

Well, Reinbacher isnt a number one D either, though I feel like Hutson might be. And you don't need to absolutely have 3RD and 3LD to be a contender lol.

Matheson-Barron
Guhle-Hutson
Xhekaj-Mailloux
Harris-Engstrom

Is pretty solid

I don‘t think Hutson can be a number 1 in the sense of a Makar or Hedman because he does not have their strength… At best he will be a 1 offensive Dman but not a cornerstone Dman.

 

[BoneHutson]

Of the plyers you mention, only Barron and Mailloux are RHDs. The former is showing potential to be a top 4D but does not seem top 2D material. Mailloux is a big question mark. If you think Reinbacher could become a top 2D, you take it no hesitation. Also Guhle has yet to show that he can stay healthy while Harris, Xhekaj are rather bottom pairing who could take over top 4 duties in case of injuries. I like Engstrom but he is a maybe.

So, you think our forward core (prospects and player) is deeper and stronger than our D core? I think absolutely not

I don‘t think Hutson can be a number 1 in the sense of a Makar or Hedman because he does not have their strength… At best he will be a 1 offensive Dman but not a cornerstone Dman.

So Fox isn't a number one defensemen either I take it.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Reinbacher has a bomb of a shot.

Goood shot but not elite shot for me. I d take Jiricek shot over Reinbacher s any day of the week

 

[RationalExpectations]

So, you think our forward core (prospects and player) is deeper and stronger than our D core? I think absolutely not


So Fox isn't a number one defensemen either I take it.

Not sasing the forward core is much deeper, just saying MTL does not have a 1D yet.

Fox is bigger and stronger than Hutson. At some point his size will be a defensive weakness…

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

I personally am comfortable penciling in Guhle, Mailloux and Hutson as a top 3 going forward. These are not Brook/Fleury types, these are blue chip studs with track records and traits.

 

[Vachon23]

I personally am comfortable penciling in Guhle, Mailloux and Hutson as a top 3 going forward. These are not Brook/Fleury types, these are blue chip studs with track records and traits.

Mailloux hasn't prove anything more then Brook/Fleury though