Toggle sidebar

2023 NHL Entry Draft

Status
Not open for further replies.
Ziemmer

Late first/Early second?

I remember a while back he was projected top 10
 
To be a generational small player, you need to help your team win a Stanley Cup. That's what the great McCagg says. So nobody small could be called generational BEFORE they make their team win a Cup. But BIGGER players can?

Any logic there? Small, you need a Cup. Big, you don't need anything? How the f*** does it make sense? f***ing clown.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Walksss, The Nightman, Sagikev and 2 others
Whitesnake said:
To be a generational small player, you need to help your team win a Stanley Cup. That's what the great McCagg says. So nobody small could be called generational BEFORE they make their team win a Cup. But BIGGER players can?

Any logic there? Small, you need a Cup. Big, you don't need anything? How the f*** does it make sense? f***ing clown.
Click to expand...

Even if Bedard tops out as Patrick Kane, who the hell wouldn't want Kane? Guy is scary as f*** offensively, and is a playoff beast with 3 Stanley Cups.
 
McClown uses how players were picked to PROVE how right he was that this or that player isn't that good.

It just makes no sense. It's really as if he would have said at draft day that seeing Yakupov going 1st PROVES how great a player he will be... He mixes where players go at draft day AND how the said players will turn out to be. It just makes no sense. And yet...somehow, we should applaud him for his Slaf take?

Same guy who keeps saying how he wasn't as high on Nolan Patrick as some was...while OBVIOUSLY forgetting to say how he was MUCH higher on Vesalainen that everyboyd was.
 
Best thing to do is just cite some rankings.

He has Benson too high (4 ahead of Dvorsky and Yager)

First one I've seen to have Carlsson that high (might even have him ahead of Yager I forget).

Doesn't rank Ethan Gauthier.

Stenberg too low (20s), and Lindstein (30).

Allen is his highest D at 11.

Halttunen down in the 20s.
 
SOLR said:
That's more dependent on the state of McDavid over time than anything else. There is no Bedard in the next 3 drafts (unless Misa grows a ton before his draft in 2025, just granted OHL exceptional status). When Bedard will be 25 (in 8 years) - McDavid will be way past his prime.
Click to expand...
Yes but the league doesn't necessarily have to have a generational talent in it. For example in the NBA, once Lebron retires, there is no 1 player in the league that is generational. You have superstars like curry or Giannis but no LeBron. The NHL might go through a period of 5-10 years once McDavid is out of his prime where it doesn't have a generational talent.
 
I think most simply go by tiers this early. Rankings are there to generate clicks.

Stop pumping Dvorsky tires guys he's our target. Let's all pretend he's not top3 material. Thanks.
 
MarkovsKnee said:
Even if Bedard tops out as Patrick Kane, who the hell wouldn't want Kane? Guy is scary as f*** offensively, and is a playoff beast with 3 Stanley Cups.
Click to expand...
Exactly. I think he's on that level of elite 1OA picks like Kane, Matthews, etc which isn't a slight in the least. It means you'll be a Hart candidate pretty much every year as a top 5 player in the game. But I don't see Bedard as being at a level where McDavid and Crosby were and are. Nothing wrong with that. That expectation is very unreasonable tbh
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sagikev and MarkovsKnee
Whitesnake said:
To be a generational small player, you need to help your team win a Stanley Cup. That's what the great McCagg says. So nobody small could be called generational BEFORE they make their team win a Cup. But BIGGER players can?

Any logic there? Small, you need a Cup. Big, you don't need anything? How the f*** does it make sense? f***ing clown.
Click to expand...
Well I think his line of thoughts is that some smaller players usually have a harder time to translate their offensive production from the regular season to the playoffs where the game gets tighter/tougher. Gaudreau for example had several outstanding regular seasons, but always has been criticized for his playoffs performances by his own fans. Playoffs are long, painful and difficult for the body, but I dont see it as a problem personally if you surround your smaller players with bigger ones. Thats where adding guys like Slafkovsky and Dach will help the franchise alot going foward.

WeThreeKings said:
Not only is his shooting/scoring skills unreal.. I think they may be the best I've seen. He's probably a Matthews level shooter -already-.
Click to expand...
I agree, I never seen a kid that young with such deadly shooting skills, thats crazy.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Chr1s97, HomeAndHome, Andrei79 and 4 others
Goldenhands said:
Well I think his line of thoughts is that some smaller players usually have a harder time to translate their offensive production in the regular season to the playoffs where the game gets tighter/tougher. Gaudreau for example had several outstanding regular seasons, but always has been criticized for his playoffs performances by his own fans. Playoffs are long, painful and difficult for the body, but I dont see it as a problem personally if you surround your smaller players with bigger ones. Thats where adding guys like Slafkovsky and Dach will help the franchise alot going foward.


I agree, I never seen a kid that young with such deadly shooting skills, thats crazy.
Click to expand...
crosby is 5'11. And was generational. BEFORE he played one game in the NHL. Bédard is 5'9'' today. But shouldn't be called generational. RAre are the players that are great that are small? Yep. Rare. Does that mean non-existant? RAre are also generational talent. Anyway, his point was you can't call them generational before they win a Cup. So I guess McDavid, while bigger, is also not a generational player...Just plain stupid.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sagikev and MarkovsKnee
So, lets speculate here. Lets say we win the lottery, get the 1st OV spot again. We are at the end of that draft year and Bedard projects more of an absolute elite sniping winger force than a center, the most talended player in the draft, then you have guys like Dvorsky, Fantilli, Carlsson who project as big talended top line centers in the making. What do you do, who do you pick? The biggest talent in the draft or a guarenteed top line center with size? I think thats where Grant wanted to go that early about that draft class.
 
Goldenhands said:
So, lets speculate here. Lets say we win the lottery, get the 1st OV spot again. We are at the end of that draft year and Bedard projects more of an absolute elite sniping winger force than a center, the most talended player in the draft, then you have guys like Dvorsky, Fantilli, Carlsson who project as big talended top line centers in the making. What do you do, who do you pick? The biggest talent in the draft or a guarenteed top line center with size? I think thats where Grant wanted to go that early about that draft class.
Click to expand...

Run to the stage, select Bedard.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SannywithoutCompy, HomeAndHome, Andrei79 and 8 others
Goldenhands said:
So, lets speculate here. Lets say we win the lottery, get the 1st OV spot again. We are at the end of that draft year and Bedard projects more of an absolute elite sniping winger force than a center, the most talended player in the draft, then you have guys like Dvorsky, Fantilli, Carlsson who project as big talended top line centers in the making. What do you do, who do you pick? The biggest talent in the draft or a guarenteed top line center with size? I think thats where Grant wanted to go that early about that draft class.
Click to expand...

You select Bedard it's not even a debate.

Bedard can run a line by himself like you could trade for Poehling back and put him at C, it wouldn't matter.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SannywithoutCompy, HomeAndHome, Sagikev and 2 others
Whitesnake said:
crosby is 5'11. And was generational. BEFORE he played one game in the NHL. Bédard is 5'9'' today. But shouldn't be called generational. RAre are the players that are great that are small? Yep. Rare. Does that mean non-existant? RAre are also generational talent. Anyway, his point was you can't call them generational before they win a Cup. So I guess McDavid, while bigger, is also not a generational player...Just plain stupid.
Click to expand...
With his skills level, especially his shooting skills, I think its safe to assume Bedard will be a force, its more a matter of what position he will play at the NHL level for me. But no question he is a special player.
 
Goldenhands said:
So, lets speculate here. Lets say we win the lottery, get the 1st OV spot again. We are at the end of that draft year and Bedard projects more of an absolute elite sniping winger force than a center, the most talended player in the draft, then you have guys like Dvorsky, Fantilli, Carlsson who project as big talended top line centers in the making. What do you do, who do you pick? The biggest talent in the draft or a guarenteed top line center with size? I think thats where Grant wanted to go that early about that draft class.
Click to expand...

You pick Bedard and start dangling Caufield around in trade talks for a RD.
 
WeThreeKings said:
Best thing to do is just cite some rankings.

He has Benson too high (4 ahead of Dvorsky and Yager)

First one I've seen to have Carlsson that high (might even have him ahead of Yager I forget).

Doesn't rank Ethan Gauthier.

Stenberg too low (20s), and Lindstein (30).

Allen is his highest D at 11.

Halttunen down in the 20s.
Click to expand...

The kind of draft that from 4 to 20 could be interchangeable in my opinion. I really like the audacity to put Benson at 4.

My prediction on August 8, 2022: Ethan Gauthier will be a Hab with a late first.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom