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Ill reiterate, there is no need for Bjarnasson.

He is not more talented than any of Clara, Gajan, Yegorov, Fowler or Hrabel. He is merely more advanced.

We won't see 6 goaltenders be picked before pick 69. Clara and Yegorov are both true sleeper pick.
 
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Top 10 teams in the league.

Boston - Ullmark 6th round, signed. Swayman 4th round
Carolina - Andersen 7th and 3rd, signed. Raanta undrafted, signed. Kotchetkov 2nd round (36th)
New Jersey - Blackwood, 2nd round, Schmid 5th round, Vanecek 2nd, signed.
Vegas - Thompson, undrafted. Quick 3rd round, acquired. Hill 3rd round, signed.
Toronto - Murray, 2nd round, acquired. Samsonov 1st round, signed.
LA - Korpisalo 3rd round, acquired. Copley unsigned, signed.
Rangers - Shesterkin 4th round, Halak 9th round, signed.
Tampa - Vasilevskiy 1st, Elliott 9th round, signed.
Dallas - Wedgewood, 3rd round, signed. Oettinger 1st.
Minnesota - Fleury, 1st (1st overall), Gustavsson 2nd (kind of funny both were selected by the pens)
Colorado - Georgiev Unsigned (?) Signed. Francouz unsigned
Edmonton - Campbell 1st, signed. Skinner 3rd
Seattle - Grubauer 4th, signed. Jones unsigned, signed.
Winnipeg - Rittich unsigned, signed. Hellebuyck 5th round
Pittsburgh - DeSmith unsigned, Jarry 2nd round
Islanders - Sorokin 3rd, Varlamov 1st, signed.
Calgary - Markstrom 2nd, signed. Vladar 3rd, signed.
Nashville - Lankinen unsigned, signed. Soros 4th
Florida - Bobrovsky, unsigned signed. Knight 1st
Washington - Kuemper 6th, signed. Lindgren unsigned, signed.
Buffalo - Anderson 3rd, signed. Comrie 2nd, signed. UPL 2nd
Ottawa - Talbot unsigned, signed. Forsberg 7th, waivers, Soogard 2nd, Mandolese 6th
Detroit - Hellberg 2nd, waivers (?), Husso 4th, trade
St. Louis - Binnington, 3rd Greiss 3rd, signed
Vancouver - Demko 2nd, Delia unsigned, signed.
Arizona - Ingram 3rd, waivers. Vejmelka 5th, signed (?)
Montreal - Allen 2nd, trade. Montembeault 3rd, waivers
Philadelphia - Hart 2nd, Sandstrom 3rd
Chicago - Khudobin 7th, trade. Mrazek 5th, trade.Stalock 4th, signed\
Anaheim - Gibson, 2nd, Dostal 3rd, Stolarz 2nd signed (?)
San Jose - Kahkonen, 4th signed trade (?) Reimer 4th signed (?)
Columbus - Merzlikins 3rd, Tarasov 3rd, Hutchinson 3rd (signed?)

Unsigned, signed = They weren't drafted, but signed by a different team and then signed with their current team.

I might have forgotten, or mixed up how each team got their goalies, but for the most part, there's no real need to trade up to get a goalie. Picking a goalie in the 2nd, or 3rd seems to generate the best results.

Now there are goalies like Askarov, Cossa, Wallstedt that are first round picks that aren't with their team currently.

I've also shared earlier that 1st round picked goalies rarely have won the cup over the past 40, 50 years.

Habs are better off to use their 2nd, or even 3rd on a goalie it would seem. No need to trade up for anyone.
 

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Surprised Beau Akey is not moving up in rankings, seems like he's been progressing all year, with good offensive numbers to boot. What am I missing? I feel he should be considered as soon as late 1st round.

Also, Matthew Mania is one hell of a name.
He's just in a very good draft.

I don't really see a way he can get in the first round. He is not better than Brzustewichz who himself probably will not crack the first round. The draft is just very good.

Wish we had more picks.
 
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Top 10 teams in the league.

Boston - Ullmark 6th round, signed. Swayman 4th round
Carolina - Andersen 7th and 3rd, signed. Raanta undrafted, signed. Kotchetkov 2nd round (36th)
New Jersey - Blackwood, 2nd round, Schmid 5th round, Vanecek 2nd, signed.
Vegas - Thompson, undrafted. Quick 3rd round, acquired. Hill 3rd round, signed.
Toronto - Murray, 2nd round, acquired. Samsonov 1st round, signed.
LA - Korpisalo 3rd round, acquired. Copley unsigned, signed.
Rangers - Shesterkin 4th round, Halak 9th round, signed.
Tampa - Vasilevskiy 1st, Elliott 9th round, signed.
Dallas - Wedgewood, 3rd round, signed. Oettinger 1st.
Minnesota - Fleury, 1st (1st overall), Gustavsson 2nd (kind of funny both were selected by the pens)
Colorado - Georgiev Unsigned (?) Signed. Francouz unsigned
Edmonton - Campbell 1st, signed. Skinner 3rd
Seattle - Grubauer 4th, signed. Jones unsigned, signed.
Winnipeg - Rittich unsigned, signed. Hellebuyck 5th round
Pittsburgh - DeSmith unsigned, Jarry 2nd round
Islanders - Sorokin 3rd, Varlamov 1st, signed.
Calgary - Markstrom 2nd, signed. Vladar 3rd, signed.
Nashville - Lankinen unsigned, signed. Soros 4th
Florida - Bobrovsky, unsigned signed. Knight 1st
Washington - Kuemper 6th, signed. Lindgren unsigned, signed.
Buffalo - Anderson 3rd, signed. Comrie 2nd, signed. UPL 2nd
Ottawa - Talbot unsigned, signed. Forsberg 7th, waivers, Soogard 2nd, Mandolese 6th
Detroit - Hellberg 2nd, waivers (?), Husso 4th, trade
St. Louis - Binnington, 3rd Greiss 3rd, signed
Vancouver - Demko 2nd, Delia unsigned, signed.
Arizona - Ingram 3rd, waivers. Vejmelka 5th, signed (?)
Montreal - Allen 2nd, trade. Montembeault 3rd, waivers
Philadelphia - Hart 2nd, Sandstrom 3rd
Chicago - Khudobin 7th, trade. Mrazek 5th, trade.Stalock 4th, signed\
Anaheim - Gibson, 2nd, Dostal 3rd, Stolarz 2nd signed (?)
San Jose - Kahkonen, 4th signed trade (?) Reimer 4th signed (?)
Columbus - Merzlikins 3rd, Tarasov 3rd, Hutchinson 3rd (signed?)

Unsigned, signed = They weren't drafted, but signed by a different team and then signed with their current team.

I might have forgotten, or mixed up how each team got their goalies, but for the most part, there's no real need to trade up to get a goalie. Picking a goalie in the 2nd, or 3rd seems to generate the best results.

Now there are goalies like Askarov, Cossa, Wallstedt that are first round picks that aren't with their team currently.

I've also shared earlier that 1st round picked goalies rarely have won the cup over the past 40, 50 years.

Habs are better off to use their 2nd, or even 3rd on a goalie it would seem. No need to trade up for anyone.

I understand what you are saying but it's like.. Tampa Bay's top center was drafted in the 3rd round so it is best to grab a center in the 3rd round.. or Boston's best winger is Marchand and he was taken in round 3 so don't take a winger until round 3.

The current state of goaltending isn't anything to draw a conclusion from.. especially since a lot of the goalies you've listed aren't very good. The unequivocally best goalie in the world was a 1st round pick, so if you identify a talent like that, you should go and grab it in round 1 instead of hoping to get lucky in a later round.
 

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you meanies made Scouching quit and delete all his videos
 

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Top 10 teams in the league.

Boston - Ullmark 6th round, signed. Swayman 4th round
Carolina - Andersen 7th and 3rd, signed. Raanta undrafted, signed. Kotchetkov 2nd round (36th)
New Jersey - Blackwood, 2nd round, Schmid 5th round, Vanecek 2nd, signed.
Vegas - Thompson, undrafted. Quick 3rd round, acquired. Hill 3rd round, signed.
Toronto - Murray, 2nd round, acquired. Samsonov 1st round, signed.
LA - Korpisalo 3rd round, acquired. Copley unsigned, signed.
Rangers - Shesterkin 4th round, Halak 9th round, signed.
Tampa - Vasilevskiy 1st, Elliott 9th round, signed.
Dallas - Wedgewood, 3rd round, signed. Oettinger 1st.
Minnesota - Fleury, 1st (1st overall), Gustavsson 2nd (kind of funny both were selected by the pens)
Colorado - Georgiev Unsigned (?) Signed. Francouz unsigned
Edmonton - Campbell 1st, signed. Skinner 3rd
Seattle - Grubauer 4th, signed. Jones unsigned, signed.
Winnipeg - Rittich unsigned, signed. Hellebuyck 5th round
Pittsburgh - DeSmith unsigned, Jarry 2nd round
Islanders - Sorokin 3rd, Varlamov 1st, signed.
Calgary - Markstrom 2nd, signed. Vladar 3rd, signed.
Nashville - Lankinen unsigned, signed. Soros 4th
Florida - Bobrovsky, unsigned signed. Knight 1st
Washington - Kuemper 6th, signed. Lindgren unsigned, signed.
Buffalo - Anderson 3rd, signed. Comrie 2nd, signed. UPL 2nd
Ottawa - Talbot unsigned, signed. Forsberg 7th, waivers, Soogard 2nd, Mandolese 6th
Detroit - Hellberg 2nd, waivers (?), Husso 4th, trade
St. Louis - Binnington, 3rd Greiss 3rd, signed
Vancouver - Demko 2nd, Delia unsigned, signed.
Arizona - Ingram 3rd, waivers. Vejmelka 5th, signed (?)
Montreal - Allen 2nd, trade. Montembeault 3rd, waivers
Philadelphia - Hart 2nd, Sandstrom 3rd
Chicago - Khudobin 7th, trade. Mrazek 5th, trade.Stalock 4th, signed\
Anaheim - Gibson, 2nd, Dostal 3rd, Stolarz 2nd signed (?)
San Jose - Kahkonen, 4th signed trade (?) Reimer 4th signed (?)
Columbus - Merzlikins 3rd, Tarasov 3rd, Hutchinson 3rd (signed?)

Unsigned, signed = They weren't drafted, but signed by a different team and then signed with their current team.

I might have forgotten, or mixed up how each team got their goalies, but for the most part, there's no real need to trade up to get a goalie. Picking a goalie in the 2nd, or 3rd seems to generate the best results.

Now there are goalies like Askarov, Cossa, Wallstedt that are first round picks that aren't with their team currently.

I've also shared earlier that 1st round picked goalies rarely have won the cup over the past 40, 50 years.

Habs are better off to use their 2nd, or even 3rd on a goalie it would seem. No need to trade up for anyone.
It's a case by case and drawing parallels like that means nothing. If the goaltender is a player you really believe in, sure, make the move. If you think you're grabbing the next starter for the coming 15 years, there's value in that.

With that said, it is almost impossible to achieve. Goaltenders are way too hot and cold and very hard to project.

I am with you 100%, I wouldn't draft a goaltender before the 3rd round and I certainly would not move up in the first for Bjarnasson. What a terrible take that one is. Reactionary and literally preaching the opposite of the "BPA" we all agreed upon years ago.

What the Habs need to do is secure those high ceiling athletes every year, gives them the best possible chance. Primeau, Dichow, Dobes, Croteau and co. Keep snagging those gambles and one of these days you will hit. Primeau and Dobes both look like they could at least be decent back-ups and theres value back in these cases.
 

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I understand what you are saying but it's like.. Tampa Bay's top center was drafted in the 3rd round so it is best to grab a center in the 3rd round.. or Boston's best winger is Marchand and he was taken in round 3 so don't take a winger until round 3.

The current state of goaltending isn't anything to draw a conclusion from.. especially since a lot of the goalies you've listed aren't very good. The unequivocally best goalie in the world was a 1st round pick, so if you identify a talent like that, you should go and grab it in round 1 instead of hoping to get lucky in a later round.
But then you look at the top 20 for scoring and 15 are 1st rounders.

You take a look at the veznia winners and most aren't 1st rounders and the ones that have won that are 1st rounders is Brodeur with 4 I think over the past 30 years. Then you have Price, Vas and Fleury

You take a long at top GAA for this year and you have 3 in the top 20 drafted in the first round.

Save percentage there's 4.

Tampa Bay played really well and Vasilevskiy' accomplishment shouldn't be hindered, but that's a well built, deep team that adds to his great play.

If anything the league has had a bias towards goalies and it seems to be that way.

If anything, the Habs should draft a Russian goalie.

Habs shouldn't trade up to get one. If anything it would appear they're better off to use their 2nd and 3rd and draft 2 than trade up for one.

Now, if there was a highly touted goalie expect to go 10-15 and still there at says 26th, sure maybe try there.

That said, if they did trade up to get one I wouldn't freak out, but it shows more so that you can get really good goalies outside the 1st and not so much when it comes to forwards.

Granted you'd have to drive real deep to show that with number of forwards drafted compared to the number thar become really good nhlers and the percentage of that.
 

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But then you look at the top 20 for scoring and 15 are 1st rounders.

You take a look at the veznia winners and most aren't 1st rounders and the ones that have won that are 1st rounders is Brodeur with 4 I think over the past 30 years. Then you have Price, Vas and Fleury

You take a long at top GAA for this year and you have 3 in the top 20 drafted in the first round.

Save percentage there's 4.

Tampa Bay played really well and Vasilevskiy' accomplishment shouldn't be hindered, but that's a well built, deep team that adds to his great play.

If anything the league has had a bias towards goalies and it seems to be that way.

If anything, the Habs should draft a Russian goalie.

Habs shouldn't trade up to get one. If anything it would appear they're better off to use their 2nd and 3rd and draft 2 than trade up for one.

Now, if there was a highly touted goalie expect to go 10-15 and still there at says 26th, sure maybe try there.

That said, if they did trade up to get one I wouldn't freak out, but it shows more so that you can get really good goalies outside the 1st and not so much when it comes to forwards.

Granted you'd have to drive real deep to show that with number of forwards drafted compared to the number thar become really good nhlers and the percentage of that.

All we are saying is that if you identify a goalie that you think has starter potential, there's a finite number of goalies in the league who are actually good #1 goalies.. and a lot of contenders are not icing what are actual #1 goalies.

You shouldn't ever forego securing someone you have belief in because sometimes goalies drafted later do better than those drafted earlier.

Imagine if Tampa Bay decided not to use a 1st on Vasilevskiy because they thought they could just happen to find a starter later on in the draft? I'm sure they'd kick their ass every day since.
 
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I do think Bjarnarsson can be the starter for the next 10-15 yrs and that he’s better then the other Goalies in this draft. I’m pretty sure Dallas are happy with trading up for Oettinger in 2017.
I mean the 2017 draft was a horrible draft past 26 so, sure. Theres literally five good players drafted after Oettinger in the whole draft.

Im not sure that should be our standard.

Also, would they be happy if Robertson went like 5 spots ahead ?
 

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I mean the 2017 draft was a horrible draft past 26 so, sure. Theres literally five good players drafted after Oettinger in the whole draft.

Im not sure that should be our standard.

Also, would they be happy if Robertson went like 5 spots ahead ?
Sure they would, it would still be a great pick and a better one then most of the players that where draft in that range
 

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Sure they would, it would still be a great pick and a better one then most of the players that where draft in that range
Come on, you've heard the fans talk about the whole Price/Kopitar thing and Price is actually better than Kopitar.

There's no chance they would be happy with Oettinger over Robertson.
 

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How would it be? Dubois is likely to be better than anyone we are gonna pick if we don't win the lottery, so getting him with a mid 1st and some other stuff is just good business.
Because all we need to do is wait another year and like many said if its true he really wants to come you wait till then and don't waste quality asset
 
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All we are saying is that if you identify a goalie that you think has starter potential, there's a finite number of goalies in the league who are actually good #1 goalies.. and a lot of contenders are not icing what are actual #1 goalies.

You shouldn't ever forego securing someone you have belief in because sometimes goalies drafted later do better than those drafted earlier.

Imagine if Tampa Bay decided not to use a 1st on Vasilevskiy because they thought they could just happen to find a starter later on in the draft? I'm sure they'd kick their ass every day since.
That's true and I'm not saying if you really like someone, don't pull a Bergevin and sit there and hope for the best, but at the same time you should really, really like that goalie to move up.

I'm more don't just like the guy, make sure you love the guy to move up for.
 

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Because all we need to do is wait another year and like many said if its true he really wants to come you wait till then and don't waste quality asset

The difficult thing is that we don't have the information. The way I see it, yes, if it is Montreal 100% then you can sit there and basically low-ball the Jets, otherwise just wait for him to come. If Dubois is open to other opportunities, then if the Florida pick (at a certain point, if it's top 13 I'm keeping it) is the main piece to go back to get him and sign him.. it's a no brainer.

That's true and I'm not saying if you really like someone, don't pull a Bergevin and sit there and hope for the best, but at the same time you should really, really like that goalie to move up.

I'm more don't just like the guy, make sure you love the guy to move up for.

Yes, you'd have to be absolutely stout in your evaluation that he's a future #1 goalie, not a guy who could play in the NHL like Jack Campbell. I feel pretty strongly about Bjarnason, Hrabal and Fowler.
 
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The difficult thing is that we don't have the information. The way I see it, yes, if it is Montreal 100% then you can sit there and basically low-ball the Jets, otherwise just wait for him to come. If Dubois is open to other opportunities, then if the Florida pick (at a certain point, if it's top 13 I'm keeping it) is the main piece to go back to get him and sign him.. it's a no brainer.



Yes, you'd have to be absolutely stout in your evaluation that he's a future #1 goalie, not a guy who could play in the NHL like Jack Campbell. I feel pretty strongly about Bjarnason, Hrabal and Fowler.
What's your rough comparison for those 3?

Hrabal I've seen the Habs with their 2nd and he's intriguing because of his size, but that's all I know about the guy.

Gajan, Suchanek and Milic look to be worth while later round picks
 

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What's your rough comparison for those 3?

Hrabal I've seen the Habs with their 2nd and he's intriguing because of his size, but that's all I know about the guy.

Gajan, Suchanek and Milic look to be worth while later round picks

Hrabal looks a lot like Ben Bishop, he's got that big frame and is athletic for that size. It will take some time to get there but if he reaches his upside, he'd be a legitimate #1.

Bjarnason is a throw back to that Price style. He won't be that good, because honestly, no one really is. But he's positionally sound, very efficient and explosive in his movements, but is also sneaky athletic when he needs to be and his positioning fails.

Fowler I would liken to John Gibson. The good version of Gibson, not the injured version now.
 

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I'd be curious to see how our scouting department has the big 3 after Bedard ranked.

I'm assuming they'd have both of the big centers ahead of Michkov, but I wonder which one of Fantilli/Carlsson they'd be leaning towards at 2nd.
 

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I understand what you are saying but it's like.. Tampa Bay's top center was drafted in the 3rd round so it is best to grab a center in the 3rd round.. or Boston's best winger is Marchand and he was taken in round 3 so don't take a winger until round 3.

The current state of goaltending isn't anything to draw a conclusion from.. especially since a lot of the goalies you've listed aren't very good. The unequivocally best goalie in the world was a 1st round pick, so if you identify a talent like that, you should go and grab it in round 1 instead of hoping to get lucky in a later round.

Price: 1st Round
Vasilevsky: 1st Round
Oettinger: 1st Round
Fleury: 1st Round
Brodeur: 1st Round

Yeah, occasionally, you get a steal like Lundqvist, but the majority of the high end goalies are 1st rounders.

I have no issues with taking a goalie with our 2nd round pick.
 

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I'd be curious to see how our scouting department has the big 3 after Bedard ranked.

I'm assuming they'd have both of the big centers ahead of Michkov, but I wonder which one of Fantilli/Carlsson they'd be leaning towards at 2nd.

My purely uneducated guess on their top 10.

1. Connor Bedard
2. Adam Fantilli
3. Leo Carlsson
4. Will Smith
5. Zach Benson
6. David Reinbacher
7. Matvei Michkov
8. Ryan Leonard
9. Brayden Yager
10. Oliver Moore
 

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Yup.. the good news is there is at least a couple fall back options in Gajan and Clara should things really go off the rails for us.

I'm not really interested in investing in Augustine, Ratzlaff/Milic as our goalie of the draft. I think all 3 have severe limitations that will prevent them from really being a #1
BTW...Ratzlaff played a lot better than Bjarnason in the prospects game.
 

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Top 10 teams in the league.

Boston - Ullmark 6th round, signed. Swayman 4th round
Carolina - Andersen 7th and 3rd, signed. Raanta undrafted, signed. Kotchetkov 2nd round (36th)
New Jersey - Blackwood, 2nd round, Schmid 5th round, Vanecek 2nd, signed.
Vegas - Thompson, undrafted. Quick 3rd round, acquired. Hill 3rd round, signed.
Toronto - Murray, 2nd round, acquired. Samsonov 1st round, signed.
LA - Korpisalo 3rd round, acquired. Copley unsigned, signed.
Rangers - Shesterkin 4th round, Halak 9th round, signed.
Tampa - Vasilevskiy 1st, Elliott 9th round, signed.
Dallas - Wedgewood, 3rd round, signed. Oettinger 1st.
Minnesota - Fleury, 1st (1st overall), Gustavsson 2nd (kind of funny both were selected by the pens)
Colorado - Georgiev Unsigned (?) Signed. Francouz unsigned
Edmonton - Campbell 1st, signed. Skinner 3rd
Seattle - Grubauer 4th, signed. Jones unsigned, signed.
Winnipeg - Rittich unsigned, signed. Hellebuyck 5th round
Pittsburgh - DeSmith unsigned, Jarry 2nd round
Islanders - Sorokin 3rd, Varlamov 1st, signed.
Calgary - Markstrom 2nd, signed. Vladar 3rd, signed.
Nashville - Lankinen unsigned, signed. Soros 4th
Florida - Bobrovsky, unsigned signed. Knight 1st
Washington - Kuemper 6th, signed. Lindgren unsigned, signed.
Buffalo - Anderson 3rd, signed. Comrie 2nd, signed. UPL 2nd
Ottawa - Talbot unsigned, signed. Forsberg 7th, waivers, Soogard 2nd, Mandolese 6th
Detroit - Hellberg 2nd, waivers (?), Husso 4th, trade
St. Louis - Binnington, 3rd Greiss 3rd, signed
Vancouver - Demko 2nd, Delia unsigned, signed.
Arizona - Ingram 3rd, waivers. Vejmelka 5th, signed (?)
Montreal - Allen 2nd, trade. Montembeault 3rd, waivers
Philadelphia - Hart 2nd, Sandstrom 3rd
Chicago - Khudobin 7th, trade. Mrazek 5th, trade.Stalock 4th, signed\
Anaheim - Gibson, 2nd, Dostal 3rd, Stolarz 2nd signed (?)
San Jose - Kahkonen, 4th signed trade (?) Reimer 4th signed (?)
Columbus - Merzlikins 3rd, Tarasov 3rd, Hutchinson 3rd (signed?)

Unsigned, signed = They weren't drafted, but signed by a different team and then signed with their current team.

I might have forgotten, or mixed up how each team got their goalies, but for the most part, there's no real need to trade up to get a goalie. Picking a goalie in the 2nd, or 3rd seems to generate the best results.

Now there are goalies like Askarov, Cossa, Wallstedt that are first round picks that aren't with their team currently.

I've also shared earlier that 1st round picked goalies rarely have won the cup over the past 40, 50 years.

Habs are better off to use their 2nd, or even 3rd on a goalie it would seem. No need to trade up for anyone.
I would prefer Etienne Morin or Mathieu Cataford with our second round pick than picking a goalie.
 
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