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2023 NHL Entry Draft

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Jaynki said:
Do you think Smith would be picked before Cooley in the same draft ?

Some poster here are arguing over Moore / Smith.

Also, i used Bob List as a reference for the 5-10 players.
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This is a silly debate as these 2022 and 2023 draft eligibles will never be drafted against each other with actual NHL teams scouts and GMs jobs/reputations at stake but Slaf, Nemec, Cooley would go no later than 5-8 in this 2023 draft. Some of them might even go ahead of Michkov due to the Russian factor.

After this year's top 4, the next group of candidates all have question marks. It will be interesting to see where the chips fall over the next 4 months. I still think a couple of D will make moves and get into the top 10 picture.
 
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FourQuarters said:
When slaf was the only one from 2022 class played in the NHL, and struggled like mostly 18yo players played in the NHL, it's so easy to forget how good he was.
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Indeed. It will be interesting to see how many from the next draft class play in the NHL next year and how they handle their NHL season. I think even Bedard will have his struggling moments, how he handles the physicality of the league remains to be seen, he is similar sized to Jack Hughes who took 2 full seasons to adjust and become an impact player.
 
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SOLR said:
Barlow is out of the top 10, I think Slaf would be slightly ahead but yeah Benson, Smith, and Yager are all better than Slaf by quite a bit. More dynamic, more complete, more range, more speed.
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Wow, couldnt disagree more. You are badly underrating Slafkovsky or totally overrating the guys you listed. Barlow isnt close the prospect Slaf was in his draft year and Benson, Smith, Yager are at least 2 yrs away from the NHL. The comparable for Barlow would be Mcgroarty from the last draft.
 
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Goldenhands said:
Wow, couldnt disagree more. You are badly underrating Slafkovsky or totally overrating the guys you listed. Barlow isnt close the prospect Slaf was in his draft year and Benson, Smith, Yager are at least 2 yrs away from the NHL.
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Not a very good argument at all.

All that matter is how good they are at 23 years old.
 
SOLR said:
Not a very good argument at all.

All that matter is how good they are at 23 years old.
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Yep and you know for sure how good they will be? They all comes with question marks and none could achieve what Slaf has done in his draft year. Olympics MVP, one of the top players at the WC. People forget quickly, Slaf is a great prospect and will keep getting better. Underporming at the NHL level as a 18 yrs old isnt unusual, just take a look at the recent drafts.
 
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Jaynki said:
Do you think Smith would be picked before Cooley in the same draft ?

Some poster here are arguing over Moore / Smith.

Also, i used Bob List as a reference for the 5-10 players.
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Yeah pretty sure Cooley goes after Smith.

Theres one person arguing Moore / Smith.

FourQuarters said:
When slaf was the only one from 2022 class played in the NHL, and struggled like mostly 18yo players played in the NHL, it's so easy to forget how good he was.
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Was he that good though...?

I ranked him in my top 6 on "what could be" not what he had done, he barely showed anything last year.
 
Mrb1p said:
Yeah pretty sure Cooley goes after Smith.

Theres one person arguing Moore / Smith.
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Not really true actually. Eliteprospect is ranking Moore over Smith as well. Recently, recrutes.

I have no issue with people ranking Smith over Moore, as I said, if the kid works pretty hard in the gym, he could become a great player and follow the Suzuki path,,but he has alot of work to do to get there. I would like to give him only 10 score ratings, but it would be similar to believe that there are plenty of star players in each draft.
 
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Mrb1p said:
Yeah pretty sure Cooley goes after Smith.

Theres one person arguing Moore / Smith.


Was he that good though...?

I ranked him in my top 6 on "what could be" not what he had done, he barely showed anything last year.
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What's "last year"? A year ago, the Winter Olympics, where he dominated, hadn't been opened. People compare him with Yager, both of them have great shoot, Slaf has better size, Yager has better speed.
Big boys need longer time to develop, maybe playing in the NHL wasn't the best choice, we have to be patient.
 
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Goldenhands said:
Wow, couldnt disagree more. You are badly underrating Slafkovsky or totally overrating the guys you listed. Barlow isnt close the prospect Slaf was in his draft year and Benson, Smith, Yager are at least 2 yrs away from the NHL. The comparable for Barlow would be Mcgroarty from the last draft.
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So I'm badly underrating Slafkovski and you are sure to be right about ALL the others players mentioned?

I ranked Barlow AFTER Slafkovski for crying out loud, stop arguing against yourself.

Goldenhands said:
Not really true actually. Eliteprospect is ranking Moore over Smith as well. Recently, recrutes.

I have no issue with people ranking Smith over Moore, as I said, if the kid works pretty hard in the gym, he could become a great player and follow the Suzuki path,,but he has alot of work to do to get there. I would like to give him only 10 score ratings, but it would be similar to believe that there are plenty of star players in each draft.
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I've just started reviewing this, it's a hard choice. I think Moore might have a higher potential, while Smith is slightly more likely to get to wherever is going. 8.5c vs. 8b type of discussion.
 
WeThreeKings said:
Dvorsky is taking a beating (yet remaining top 10) because in every competition so far this year, he hasn't really shown a high end offensive game.
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That is a funny thing because he was showing high end offensive game all his life. Actually that was the thing most real scouts were questioning if he can bring more to his game than solid faceoffs and PP points. Now he comes to WJC and he plays excellent two-way play with great defensive awareness and works hard along the boards. Obviously, this brings less points than playing opportunistic hockey.

Mrb1p said:
He didn't do much "nasty" things, no. Not on the level these guys are.
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Well, he did it on higher level. Olympics, World champs, Liiga (2nd half performance) is above any junior league. Anyway, I do not think Slaf would make top4 in this draft just because of his hockey IQ limitations.
 
I think some people underrated the talent of Slafkovsky there. He is obviously #5 in draft 2023 behind Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson and Michkov. His potential to dominate is very high. He play much more on 4th line this year than having top 6 minute. It's perfectly normal that he don't put already 20-25 points right now. He is very good on PP, no one on Habs pass like him. He is a future elite playmaker and have potential to become a very good goalscorer aswell, 30-35 goal per season, he can put that with his shot. 2022 is a bad draft just because 2023 is coming, like 2014 draft, just because 2015 is coming. But 2014 isn't that bad, 2022 isn't that bad aswell. Slafkovsky is going to be a great player and I would pick him #5 in 2023 draft without a doubt.
 
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KevSkillz4 said:
I think some people underrated the talent of Slafkovsky there. He is obviously #5 in draft 2023 behind Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson and Michkov. His potential to dominate is very high. He play much more on 4th line this year than having top 6 minute. It's perfectly normal that he don't put already 20-25 points right now. He is very good on PP, no one on Habs pass like him. He is a future elite playmaker and have potential to become a very good goalscorer aswell, 30-35 goal per season, he can put that with his shot. 2022 is a bad draft just because 2023 is coming, like 2014 draft, just because 2015 is coming. But 2014 isn't that bad, 2022 isn't that bad aswell. Slafkovsky is going to be a great player and I would pick him #5 in 2023 draft without a doubt.
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I didn't rank Slaf first last year, I'm not going to drop my rankings from last year until they are 22...

My evaluation of Slaf at 22-23 was a 60-70 pts player, there is nothing he did this year that changes this prediction. He's having a normal 18 years old year for a guy with a median IQ.

No, not number 5.

Smith, Yager, Benson, Dvorsky, Moore all have significant hockey IQ advantages over Slaf (I think they have 80 pts potential - or the potential to be bigger pieces), so that's Slaf at best 10th. Now, I'm probably wrong about the outcomes of 2 of the 5 names ahead of Slaf, but I don't know which one.

Now Nemec, 5th, no issue with that one - Nemec will sting in a few years...40 pts RD with +30 who can play in all situations.
 
SOLR said:
I didn't rank Slaf first last year, I'm not going to drop my rankings from last year until they are 22...

My evaluation of Slaf at 22-23 was a 60-70 pts player, there is nothing he did this year that changes this prediction. He's having a normal 18 years old year for a guy with a median IQ.

No, not number 5.

Smith, Yager, Benson, Dvorsky, Moore all have significant hockey IQ advantages over Slaf (I think they have 80 pts potential - or the potential to be bigger pieces), so that's Slaf at best 10th. Now, I'm probably wrong about the outcomes of 2 of the 5 names ahead of Slaf, but I don't know which one.

Now Nemec, 5th, no issue with that one - Nemec will sting in a few years...40 pts RD with +30 who can play in all situations.
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60-70 points is a realistic projection, but the potential of Slaf is more higher than that. If Dach can put 40-50 assists, Slafkovsky can do that aswell. He is already a good playmaker, the best behind Suzuki and Dach in my eyes. He give 3-4 great pass to Anderson on PP who don't score. He can easily put 25 goals next year, if he play on PP and having top 6 minute. His 4 goals this year are goals from a good goalscorer.

If Suzuki and Caufield have potential to become PPG players, Slafkovsky can do that aswell with a better team, when Habs are going to be good... I believe that Dach and Slafkovsky will put points like Suzuki and Caufield did.
 
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New mid-season list by Pronman. Very interesting ranking. Barlow, Benson, Yager, Dvorksy, Wood are now mid-round picks. Cristal is a late pick. We get 3 firsts anywhere in the first round and we may be pleasantly surprised this year.

theathletic.com

Ranking the top prospects in the 2023 NHL Draft: A midseason update

The 2023 NHL Draft class looks above average, mostly driven by the premium talent in the top four.
theathletic.com theathletic.com
 
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Scorey Perry said:
Brian Wilde was 690 yesterday saying Will Smith Habs will take if he is there. Said he is Jack Hughes type and Hugo knows him from his earlier years.
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Brian Wilde really has no clue what he's talking about... but it is true that Hughes and Smith know eachother... that's been mentioned here.. I imagine Hughes will know many of the kids in this draft very well. I'm not sure if that's a good thing.

SwiftyHab said:
New mid-season list by Wheeler. Very interesting ranking. Barlow is now a mid-round pick. Crystal is a late pick. We get 3 firsts anywhere in the first round and we may be pleasantly surprised this year.

theathletic.com

Ranking the top prospects in the 2023 NHL Draft: A midseason update

The 2023 NHL Draft class looks above average, mostly driven by the premium talent in the top four.
theathletic.com theathletic.com
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Can someone break it down a bit.. it's behind a pay wall.
 
WinterLion said:
Brian Wilde really has no clue what he's talking about... but it is true that Hughes and Smith know eachother... that's been mentioned here.. I imagine Hughes will know many of the kids in this draft very well. I'm not sure if that's a good thing.



Can someone break it down a bit.. it's behind a pay wall.
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Gimme a minute. I’ll write out the list
 
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Gimme a minute. I’ll write out the list
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Here’s Pronman’s updated list

1-Bedard
2-Fantilli
3-Michkov
4-Carlson
5-Smith
6-Reinbacher
7-Sale
8-But
9-Danielson
10-Moore
11-Honzek
12-Benson
13-Dvorsky
14-Yager
15-Smishaev
16-Leonard
17-Wood
18-Barlow
19-Molendyk
20-Perrault
21-Musty
22-Ritchie
23-Stramel
24-Sandin-Pellika
25-Bonk
26-Gulyayev
27-Dragicevic
28-Criistall
29-Nadeau
30-Strabek
31-Dvorak
32-Stenberg
 
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