2023 NHL Entry Draft

[crosbyshow]

Yes, I am. Highest IQ since Wayne Gretzky? I'll keep watching more of him but he has a chance to be just that.

You clearly not seen Mario Lemieux.at his prime.

He did 114 assists with Rob Brown and Bob Errey on his line.

I have seen him live many times and on t.v all the time in the 80s.

..and I have seen about 10 Michkov's games so far.....and jeez....Mario Lemieux was so much better.

50% chance that he will never play here and 100% chance that we have to wait 5 years.

Look what 99,66,87,97 did before 23 years old... and look what Dvorsky Fantili etc will do for their team before 23..

Mark my Word...no matter how good he is ..because of the war....and...his contract in the KHL....Matvey Michkov will not be drafted in the Top 5.

It would be the same with Bedard if Bedard was Russian with this contract..

 

[MarioLeMoose]

How amazing that would be.

Somehow end up with Bedard and Michkov.

Would be our version of Crosby Malkin!

 

[BenchBrawl]

You clearly not seen Mario Lemieux.at his prime.

He did 114 assists with Rob Brown and Bob Errey on his line.

I have seen him live many times and on t.v all the time in the 80s.

..and I have seen about 10 Michkov's games so far.....and jeez....Mario Lemieux was so much better.

50% chance that he will never play here and 100% chance that we have to wait 5 years.

Look what 99,66,87,97 did before 23 years old... and look what Dvorsky Fantili etc will do for their team before 23..

Mark my Word...no matter how good he is ..because of the war....and...his contract in the KHL....Matvey Michkov will not be drafted in the Top 5.

It would be the same with Bedard if Bedard was Russian with this contract..

Yeah, I have seen Mario Lemieux play in his prime. Yes, he had the second highest IQ since Wayne Gretzky.

That said, Michkov *MAY* end up beating him in IQ.

Mario had the brain but he also had ALL THE TOOLS physically and skills wise, that Michkov doesn't have, to go along with his IQ. Those tools explain a lot of his dominance too.

I never said Michkov would be better than Mario, I said he could, maybe, compete for the highest IQ since Wayne.

Besides, even if Michkov end up with the 3rd or 4th highest IQ since Wayne, still a player I'm taking 2nd overall even with the war. 1st overall without the war.

Take it easy, Pens fan.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Yeah, I have seen Mario Lemieux play in his prime. Yes, he had the second highest IQ since Wayne Gretzky.

That said, Michkov *MAY* end up beating him in IQ.

Mario had the brain but he also had ALL THE TOOLS physically and skills wise, that Michkov doesn't have, to go along with his IQ. Those tools explain a lot of his dominance too.

I never said Michkov would be better than Mario, I said he could, maybe, compete for the highest IQ since Wayne.

Besides, even if Michkov end up with the 3rd or 4th highest IQ since Wayne, still a player I'm taking 2nd overall even with the war. 1st overall without the war.

Take it easy, Pens fan.

To be fair it is a little silly to make such grand declarations about a 17 year old boy who has only played 13 games against men.

To already arbitrarily potentially put him on par/ahead of Lemieux is beyond crazy let alone Forsberg, Datsyuk, Yzerman, McDavid, Lidstrom, Orr etc, etc, etc.......just doesn't make any sense at all.

The kid is a great talent but we need this to play out much longer to even remotely identify where his IQ ends up in a historical context. Hockey IQ is incredibly subjective and difficult to quantify when trying to compare and rank it between players who have had full NHL careers let alone projecting a young boy with barely any pro experience.

We can agree that he demonstrates very high hockey IQ for a 17 year old but that is where the discussion ends for now.

 

[Runner77]

I’ve asked this question in two other threads and did not see a reply.

Can someone please tier up the top 10 prospects of this class (of course, things can change) as they now stand?

Is the first tier Bedard alone?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Michkov has already said like dozen times he wants to play in the NHL and he will play. It's like Kaprizov's situation: NA people talk horrors and nightmares and Russian people just laugh at them.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Michkov has already said like dozen times he wants to play in the NHL and he will play. It's like Kaprizov's situation: NA people talk horrors and nightmares and Russian people just laugh at them.

Was that before or after they sent Fedotov to the arctic?

I have 0 concerns prior to that, but this is a different world since the Ukraine invasion

 

[SOLR]

I’ve asked this question in two other threads and did not see a reply.

Can someone please tier up the top 10 prospects of this class (of course, things can change) as they now stand?

Is the first tier Bedard alone?

Thanks in advance.

1a
Bedard
Michkov

1b
Carlsson
Fantilli
Dvorsky
Yager

2
Rest
*There are a few tiers 2 that might get to tier 1b (my suspects):
Benson
Guyayev
Sale
Ritchie


But* the gap between Bedard/Michkov and tier 1b (not tier 2) is not huge.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

I’ve asked this question in two other threads and did not see a reply.

Can someone please tier up the top 10 prospects of this class (of course, things can change) as they now stand?

Is the first tier Bedard alone?

Thanks in advance.

Imo

Tier 1:
Bedard

Tier 2:
Michkov*
Fantilli
Dvorsky

Tier 3:
Yager
Carlson
Benson

Tier 4:
Strammel
Richie

Tier 5:
Anyone else lol

 

[montreal]

Was that before or after they sent Fedotov to the arctic?

I have 0 concerns prior to that, but this is a different world since the Ukraine invasion

I don't think things have changed that much, the Fedotov situation sounds like a one off where he pissed off the GM or the GM is just being petty since the team's owner is highly connected it would have been very easy for him to pull this off or the GM who is also highly connected from what I've been reading about the whole situation.

We'll see how this draft class shakes out but I do think some are over doing it and that he will be a top 3 pick unless a few others really impress.

 

[austin316]

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We should be able to get another 2nd and 3rd out of Drouin, Byron and Dadonov at the deadline....I mean I would hope so anyways. Hopefully they all play this season, and play somewhat well.

This will hopefully be the last full tank draft. After this, the team can start progressing towards becoming a consistent contender.

I would think Allen returns a 2nd, and MAYBE Dadonov if he has a productive year, but that's a big ask. I wouldn't expect more than late picks (rounds 4-7) for anyone else on this roster.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Was that before or after they sent Fedotov to the arctic?

I have 0 concerns prior to that, but this is a different world since the Ukraine invasion

Fedotov's story isn't obvious and his side doesn't say a lot about it. Which means there is something they don't wanna talk about. Yeah there is a chance he's just scared but it doesn't look like this. I think they want to get to court and don't want to disclose some information. Anyway Fedotov's situation is different than Kaprizov's.

As to the whole situation right now there is no signs that Russian players will stop coming to NA.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Russia will rather protect someone like Michkov and not antogonize him. He's worth a lot more to them as someone who will bring back US$ and help them on the international stage if they get to return to the OG. Pretty sure MM will get a cozy flexible post to fill out his military requirements.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Russia will rather protect someone like Michkov and not antogonize him. He's worth a lot more to them as someone who will bring back US$ and help them on the international stage if they get to return to the OG. Pretty sure MM will get a cozy flexible post to fill out his military requirements.

This isn't how it works. Loyalty isn't really bought, it's just ''strongly suggested'' and rewarded handsomly.

 

[Doublechin]

Insane risk to avoid a mere risk.

The only way I see this risk as averted is if Matvei somehow escapes like some prospects did in the 80s. Otherwise, as great as he is, the gamble at 2 will be too big, I bet, for almost all teams

 

[Habbietat]

Fantilli would be a perf fit with suzuki. This dude is a monster. I am just as excited at the prospect of grabbing him as the other 2. Brings a physicality none of the others do

 

[DougHarvey]

The only way I see this risk as averted is if Matvei somehow escapes like some prospects did in the 80s. Otherwise, as great as he is, the gamble at 2 will be too big, I bet, for almost all teams

Maybe the could pull a Petr Svoboda and surprise everyone.

 

[waitin425]

Anyone have any ceiling comparables for the top players in this draft?

Bedard = Crosby
Michkov = Kucherov
Fantilli = Malkin
Dvorsky = Patrik Elias
Yager = Point

 

[SOLR]

Anyone have any ceiling comparables for the top players in this draft?

Bedard = Crosby
Michkov = Kucherov
Fantilli = Malkin
Dvorsky = Patrik Elias
Yager = Point

Fantilli is a lot more Maxpac than Malkin.

Yager, is more Yager, he's hard to compare with scorers of the past because he's a good skater. And he has that modern wrist shot like Matthews. He will score a lot of goals, all I know. Braydon point? nope. Shanahan, Iginla, etc. compare Yager to the scoring wingers that filled the net, he's that.

Dvorsky, some Bondra, some Gallagher, some Filip Forsberg. Elias scored most of his goals on the rush, and thus, is a very bad comparable for Dvorsky who scores 6 feet from the net.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Anyone have any ceiling comparables for the top players in this draft?

Bedard = Crosby
Michkov = Kucherov
Fantilli = Malkin
Dvorsky = Patrik Elias
Yager = Point

Bedard is Matthew's if you shrunk him a bunch but in return gave him elite playmaking

 

[Playmaker09]

Anyone have any ceiling comparables for the top players in this draft?

Bedard = Crosby
Michkov = Kucherov
Fantilli = Malkin
Dvorsky = Patrik Elias
Yager = Point

Bedard = Sakic
Michkov = Kane
Carlsson = Barkov
Dvorsky = Couture (better skater)
Fantilli = M. Tkachuk (less nasty)
Yager = Seguin

Bedard and Dvorsky are fairly unique players and are hard to find comparables for.

 

[habsterr]

Habs better draft top 5 in this draft, haven't been this excited for a draft in a while.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Habs better draft top 5 in this draft, haven't been this excited for a draft in a while.

It's hard not to be. I personally think the Habs roster construction is terrible enough to finish bottom 4. Price will probably be on LTIR until 2023-24 so let's hope Monty is on full tank mode when Allen eventually gets hurt again

 

[SOLR]

Bedard = Sakic
Michkov = Kane
Carlsson = Barkov
Dvorsky = Couture (better skater)
Fantilli = M. Tkachuk (less nasty)
Yager = Seguin

Bedard and Dvorsky are fairly unique players and are hard to find comparables for.

Bedard has Gretzky-like information denial features, and I don't think it's been seen, since Gretzky. Sakic is not a great comparison, because he was a very trustworthy opponent, you knew what you were going to face with him (amazing wrister, high IQ positioning, good playmaking).

I like @WeThreeKings Matthews comparisons and I think the gap in his description is that Gretzky trait. That's why Bedard doesn't have to be the fastest.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Bedard has Gretzky-like information denial features, and I don't think it's been seen, since Gretzky. Sakic is not a great comparison, because he was a very trustworthy opponent, you knew what you were going to face with him (amazing wrister, high IQ positioning, good playmaking).

I like @WeThreeKings Matthews comparisons and I think the gap in his description is that Gretzky trait. That's why Bedard doesn't have to be the fastest.

What does that mean?