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2023 NHL Entry Draft

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Justin11 said:
I know what Michkov is projected to become, that is not the debate. Unless you have guarantees that he’s coming into the NHL, I wouldn’t risk it.

There’s plenty of talent coming up in next year’s draft in the top 10, not just Dvorsky.
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If you had 50% chance of Wayne Gretzky coming, or you can take Fantilli or Dvorsky, what would you do?

People saying there's "plenty of talent", but truth is, find me a single draft with 5 franchise players in the Top 8. Several prospects of the 2023 crop are probably overrated. Michkov isn't one of them.
 
BenchBrawl said:
If you had 50% chance of Wayne Gretzky coming, or you can take Fantilli or Dvorsky, what would you do?

People saying there's "plenty of talent", but truth is, find me a single draft with 5 franchise players in the Top 8. Several prospects of the 2023 crop are probably overrated. Michkov isn't one of them.
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I would take the player that I know will be joining my club.

The players that have potential to become « generational players » is Bedard and Michkov. There are a couple of players in the top 10 that have the potential to become « franchise players ».

It’s pointless to debate this any further until we know which position we will be drafting in 2023.
 
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Justin11 said:
I would take the player that I know will be joining my club.

The players that have potential to become « generational players » is Bedard and Michkov. There are a couple of players in the top 10 that have the potential to become « franchise players ».

It’s pointless to debate this any further until we know which position we will be drafting in 2023.
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So even if I give you 50% chance Gretzky comes into your club, you would take Joe Pavelski instead because he's guaranteed to come to your club?

Seriously, everyone is claiming that several players have the potential to become franchise players in the 2023 draft, but history begs to differ. Even assuming some drafts are better than others, an exceptional draft will have 2 or 3 franchise players in the Top 10 max.

Verify for yourself:


If you get a chance at Michkov, you take him.

As for the pointlessness of this exercise, every single thing we discuss here is an exercise in futility.
 
BenchBrawl said:
No way I'd take anyone but Bedard over Michkov. I don't care to wait 5 years. You wait for the man.

As for the risk he'll never come, you take that risk for him.

He has a Gretzky-like IQ.

He's gonna score 100 pts in his first NHL season and then for several seasons after that.
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I don’t disagree with what you’re saying regarding his ability. But does he ever come here? That’s a major question you’d like an answer to, if you’re using a potential top five pick on him.
Edit. Sorry. I noticed you already replied to a similar post.
 
Clearedwaivers said:
I don’t disagree with what you’re saying regarding his ability. But does he ever come here? That’s a major question you’d like an answer to, if you’re using a potential top five pick on him.
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I think the separation between him and the rest after Bedard is immense. He even looks better than Bedard.

I'd draft him even at 50% chance he never comes.

If chances are much lower, then I'd consider other options.
 
BenchBrawl said:
I think the separation between him and the rest after Bedard is immense. He even looks better than Bedard.

I'd draft him even at 50% chance he never comes.

If chances are much lower, then I'd consider other options.
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In the event our own pick was top five, and the Florida pick managed to be in the 6-10 range, I might then be really tempted to take a swing with the Florida pick, if he was falling. I just don’t know if I’d do it with a top five pick, with other great players available. I applaude your guts and enthusiasm though.
 
Clearedwaivers said:
In the event our own pick was top five, and the Florida pick managed to be in the 6-10 range, I might then be really tempted to take a swing with the Florida pick, if he was falling. I just don’t know if I’d do it with a top five pick, with other great players available. I applaude your guts and enthusiasm though.
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Playing it safe never makes you #1.
 
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Clearedwaivers said:
In the event our own pick was top five, and the Florida pick managed to be in the 6-10 range, I might then be really tempted to take a swing with the Florida pick, if he was falling. I just don’t know if I’d do it with a top five pick, with other great players available. I applaude your guts and enthusiasm though.
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Also, people are most likely overrating the other so-called "great players".

Not a single draft in history had more than 3 franchise players in the Top 10.

I don't think any draft in history had three franchise players that went 1-2-3.

Michkov and Bedard are virtually guaranteed to be that.

So while this doesn't preclude the 2023 draft to be the first exception, I wouldn't be so sure about what I'm getting after those two.

Michkov not coming is a risk, but HE is not a risk. The other players are all risks of busting. So need to compare risk of Michkov not coming with risk of busting for others, and what they give you if they pan out (or if Michkov comes).
 
I guess we have different philosophies. I’m looking at guys like Fantilli, Carlson, Dvorsky etc. While I’ll be the first to admit I don’t know as much as a lot of guys about prospects, I’d be really concerned passing on one of those guys for someone who might never come here. Its a huge gamble that’s easy to fantasize about, but an actual GM, with accountability to an organization, may not want to take the chance. I do get what you’re saying though.
 
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Dubois-Dach-Michkov
Slafkovsky-Suzuki-Caufield

Do it baby

Even assuming Dach merely becomes an unspectacular two-way center, that's still a cup winning Top 6 in 2027.
 
WeThreeKings said:
I'm a Carlsson stan

Slafkovsky-Suzuki-Caufield
Dubois-Carlsson-Roy
Farrell-Dach-Anderson

lets go baby
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You'd take Carlsson over Michkov?

Unless Slaf really explodes, Slaf-Suzuki-Caufield is a great 2nd line, not a great 1st line.

Michkov alone makes our 1st line magnificent.
 
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NotProkofievian said:
Under normal circumstances? No way. But I would take Carlsson on this team any day.
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Sure, I would take them all, and sign 50 years old Jagr for the lolz too.

People are too confident projecting Slafkovsky-Suzuki-Caufield as a legit 1st line on a perennial contender.

That requires projecting THREE players optimistically. Slaf hasn't played a game yet and his potential isn't clear. Caufield had a great half-season. Suzuki is the safest bet, but I don't still bonafide #1C in him. A lot has to go right.
 
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BenchBrawl said:
Sure, I would take them all, and sign 50 years old Jagr for the lolz too.

People are too confident projecting Slafkovsky-Suzuki-Caufield as a legit 1st line on a perennial contender.

That requires projecting THREE players optimistically. Slaf hasn't played a game yet and his potential isn't clear. Caufield had a great half-season. Suzuki is the safest bet, but I don't still bonafide #1C in him. A lot has to go right.
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That's fair. We need the cards to fall in our favour with these guys, otherwise it's going to be a while before we can make a contender.

I am pretty optimistic about these guys though, but particularly about Caufield. Of all the prospects we've ever had, he's the one who takes his job the most seriously, IMO. The last guy that I saw take his improvement as seriously in the off season was Pacioretty. Skipped the WC this year to be as ready as possible for the season. He wont be satisfied until he puts up stupid numbers.
 
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Right now, with what’s happenning with Russia and with Michkov’s contract situation, even though he’s amazing, i do not want him.
 
Hannibal said:
Right now, with what’s happenning with Russia and with Michkov’s contract situation, even though he’s amazing, i do not want him.
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Crazy talk. Michkov is the best prospect in this draft. How long can this war really last? Chances are good he'd come in 5 years.
 
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Hannibal said:
5 years man.
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So what? Then we get the best player of this generation for the next 15 years, just as our contending window opens. Finally a great Montreal era again.

I'm gonna be VERY sick to my stomach if we pass on him then he comes back as a perennial 120 points scorer.
 
BenchBrawl said:
So what? Then we get the best player of this generation for the next 15 years, just as our contending window opens. Finally a great Montreal era again.

I'm gonna be VERY sick to my stomach if we pass on him then he comes back as a perennial 120 points scorer.
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For me, waiting for him for five years, i’m gonna be pissed. But i guess your more patient than me!
 
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Hannibal said:
For me, waiting for him for five years, i’m gonna be pissed. But i guess your more patient than me!
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You're gonna be more pissed when the guy we drafted is at best a 80 pts scorer (if not a bust!) and in 2027 Michkov comes in scoring 135 pts a season.
 
BenchBrawl said:
So what? Then we get the best player of this generation for the next 15 years, just as our contending window opens. Finally a great Montreal era again.

I'm gonna be VERY sick to my stomach if we pass on him then he comes back as a perennial 120 points scorer.
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This might've already been asked but if Habs win the lottery, are you picking Michkov over Bedard with what you know today?
 
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