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Habs Halifax said:
This is true but it still don't mean this draft is deep or not deep. We just don't know. All we know is there is Bedard and then a bunch of guys that look very good. It's likely deeper than last year yes. But some fans actually think it's deep in the entire 1st round now... gullible
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It's a very solid top 10 this year. Not even sure why there's a discussion about this. Because of the u20??? It would be like arguing the sky is not blue. There will be misses. But at least 4-5 of them will become very good players.
 
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LaP said:
It's a very solid top 10 this year. Not even sure why there's a discussion about this. Because of the u20??? It would be like arguing the sky is not blue. There will be misses. But at least 4-5 of them will become very good players.
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The discussion is about gullible fans thinking the entire 1st round is deep.
 
Not heard a lot about Ryan Leonard, anyone has seen a couple of his games and can give a scouting report ? Is he really better than guys like Yager and Benson ?
 
Benstheman said:
I think it has alot to do with the Michkov situation. If it wasn't for the Russia situation and his contract, the 1-2 punch of Bedard-Michkov would be considered the best 1-2 since McDavid-Eichel draft.

Add to this the fact that Fantilli and Carlsson would probably have gone 1st in last year's draft.

The top 4 is crazy good imho.
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Will Smith is outpacing Cooley who went #3.

Then you have guys like Cristall who is the only one close to Bedard in WHL scoring.
Yager who scored 30 goals -last year- in the WHL.
Sale who was really good in the Hlinka, again at the WJC and would be making bigger noise if not for a shitty club in Czechia.

It's so insanely deep with a lot of top end talent. But this is going to happen if the perspective is "how can 2023 be better than X draft when Pastrnak went at 24!?!?!" like Pastrnak was a good late first gamble but nobody thought he'd become this.. that doesn't make that draft class better than this one because you're looking at someone picked at 24 and saying well the guy currently projected at 24 won't ever be good as Pastrnak.
 
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Habs Halifax said:
The discussion is about gullible fans thinking the entire 1st round is deep.
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But we are not drafting in the entire first round. There's a good possbility we draft twice in the top 12. Florida is almost done at this point. They are 6 points out of a playoffs spot and the Pens have 3 games in hands. Not over yet but 2 more weeks like that and it's over. It's a market where nobody give a shit (unlike Mtl/Tor) so once the season is over the players will abadon ship like the fans and the media and they don't care if it will give us a better pick.

We might acquire a end of first round pick. It will have the same value as every years because the end of the first round is what it is. You can get lucky. You have more chances to get lucky than the 2nd half of the 2nd round. But it's still the end of the first round. There's always players intereting there but they are always a question mark every year and this year wont be different.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Will Smith is outpacing Cooley who went #3.

Then you have guys like Cristall who is the only one close to Bedard in WHL scoring.
Yager who scored 30 goals -last year- in the WHL.
Sale who was really good in the Hlinka, again at the WJC and would be making bigger noise if not for a shitty club in Czechia.

It's so insanely deep with a lot of top end talent. But this is going to happen if the perspective is "how can 2023 be better than X draft when Pastrnak went at 24!?!?!" like Pastrnak was a good late first gamble but nobody thought he'd become this.. that doesn't make that draft class better than this one because you're looking at someone picked at 24 and saying well the guy currently projected at 24 won't ever be good as Pastrnak.
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I really liked Sale and Dvorsky at ther u20. Both very young (they turn 18 in spring and summer). Both of them might go between 10ish and 20. Some lists rank them low other high hard to know where they will land atm.
 
WeThreeKings said:
Will Smith is outpacing Cooley who went #3.

Then you have guys like Cristall who is the only one close to Bedard in WHL scoring.
Yager who scored 30 goals -last year- in the WHL.
Sale who was really good in the Hlinka, again at the WJC and would be making bigger noise if not for a shitty club in Czechia.

It's so insanely deep with a lot of top end talent. But this is going to happen if the perspective is "how can 2023 be better than X draft when Pastrnak went at 24!?!?!" like Pastrnak was a good late first gamble but nobody thought he'd become this.. that doesn't make that draft class better than this one because you're looking at someone picked at 24 and saying well the guy currently projected at 24 won't ever be good as Pastrnak.
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I’d like to see an analysis of how many superstars, and regular NHLers came out of each draft to evaluate how good and deep it is.

You think you can get on that and have it on my desk in the morning?
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Will Smith is outpacing Cooley who went #3.

Then you have guys like Cristall who is the only one close to Bedard in WHL scoring.
Yager who scored 30 goals -last year- in the WHL.
Sale who was really good in the Hlinka, again at the WJC and would be making bigger noise if not for a shitty club in Czechia.

It's so insanely deep with a lot of top end talent. But this is going to happen if the perspective is "how can 2023 be better than X draft when Pastrnak went at 24!?!?!" like Pastrnak was a good late first gamble but nobody thought he'd become this.. that doesn't make that draft class better than this one because you're looking at someone picked at 24 and saying well the guy currently projected at 24 won't ever be good as Pastrnak.
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You look at guys ranked in the 10-20 range, and they're on pace to have between 80-110 or more on their seasons.

You have Barlow on pace for a 50-goal, 90+ point season in the OHL.
Ethan Gauthier is on pace to have 80+ points at Sherbrooke.
Nate Danielson is on pace to have close to 40 goals and 90 points in the WHL.
Gabe Perreault is on pace to have 40+ goals and 80+ pts in the USHL.
Riley Heidt on pace to have 30+ goals and 90+ pts in the WHL.

There are guys slated to go between 10-20 who are having as good or even better seasons than players that went Top-10 in 2022.
 
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SOLR said:
Hopefully we have at least 1 top 4 pick.
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I don't see it. Unless we manage to get into the bottom 3, we are likely sliding 1 spot due to lottery, so top 4 is hardly attainable.

Winning the lottery would get the job done of course, but it's low odds still.

1st overall seems more likely to me than 3rd or 4th.
 
Kobe Armstrong said:
Grant is right about his skating it is a beautiful thing to watch, I have him #11 but he could creep up my rankings.

He's a hard sell for the Habs though. Russian, undersized, LHD, our interest will be low I assume.
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He's the kind of player I want to sell more players for, if we could have an early 20s 1st rounder and a late 1st rounder, I think we'll get one of Pelikka, Gulyayev, Allen available early 20s - take the bet.
 
Revansky said:
Not heard a lot about Ryan Leonard, anyone has seen a couple of his games and can give a scouting report ? Is he really better than guys like Yager and Benson ?
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He's a finisher, scores a lot of one timers and tap in goals. He's not on Caufield's level but he has that goal scorers instinct that you can't teach. I see him in the 15-20 range now, but I think he's a safe bet to be a 20 goal guy in the NHL.
 
Revansky said:
Not heard a lot about Ryan Leonard, anyone has seen a couple of his games and can give a scouting report ? Is he really better than guys like Yager and Benson ?
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Kid has speed to burn, and drives the net. He's a straight line player, and a bit of a bull on skates. Really strong lower body strength already. Plays physical. Isn't creative. Has good hands for scoring though, and has a good wrister & one timer. Gets a lot of breakaways. A really aggressive forward with a high compete level.

The question is offensive upside. He's for sure a top 9 NHL forward. But, if he gets a little bigger/stronger can he get to being a top 6 power scoring forward like Evander Kane? This kid doesn't wait around for others to do it for him. He's on top of the puck, in the corners, in the slot.

If you think he tops out as a two-way, top 9 forward who adds the juice to a skill line (someone like Hyman), he's not top 10.

If you think the kid will develop his power game a little more, and is a legit goal scorer then he's definitely in top 10 (E. Kane, Konecny type).

One of the more divisive prospects to rank.
 
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Adam Michaels said:
You look at guys ranked in the 10-20 range, and they're on pace to have between 80-110 or more on their seasons.

You have Barlow on pace for a 50-goal, 90+ point season in the OHL.
Ethan Gauthier is on pace to have 80+ points at Sherbrooke.
Nate Danielson is on pace to have close to 40 goals and 90 points in the WHL.
Gabe Perreault is on pace to have 40+ goals and 80+ pts in the USHL.
Riley Heidt on pace to have 30+ goals and 90+ pts in the WHL.

There are guys slated to go between 10-20 who are having as good or even better seasons than players that went Top-10 in 2022.
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26Mats said:
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Ovi in his draft year (2003-04), had 24 pts (13G, 11A) in 53 GP.
Michkov is currently on pace for 13 pts (10G, 3A) in 31 GP. If you prorate that to 53 GP, he would be on pace for 22 pts (17G, 5A).

So he would score more goals and have about as many points. And the part that we also need to keep in mind for Michkov, he was loaned to Sochi. They are by far the worst team in the KHL. They're worst than Chicago is in the NHL. That's how shit they are.
 
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The fact that there's a chance that Michkov fall to our FLO pick is just insane. I could see him being picked 2nd or like 8-9. Crazy draft.
 
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