2023 NHL Entry Draft Discussion

[PuckMunchkin]

We're way off topic and @PuckMunchkin stop insulting people. Let's get back on-topic and be respectful.

Neat of you to single me out.

 

[Hodgy]

I mean, absolutely. The ideal is to have maximum process with minimum results and I think that's what they were trying for. And I'm sure if you put Rutherford/Allvin on a lie detector test they'd admit that they would probably have preferred that Kuzmenko didn't score that string of late winning/tying goals. But honestly there's not a lot you can do about that.

I agree that it probably would have been better to play Demko a couple less games. But as you say, the overall impact of that might have been a point.

The frustration some fans have is a direct result of them wanting management to take a long term approach. Of course if you believe, as you do, that a win now approach is the preferred method then its harder to criticize management/coaching decisions over the last few months.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

"It's crazy how like half this board seems to think they've thrown 100% at a massive late-season push and every thread is filled with these stupid sarcastic 'MUST WIN GAME!' posts when they've done nothing of the sort."

"I'm well aware that a majority of the fans on this board live in video game land."

Yes. @Vector I should stop insulting people.

 

[Vector]

Neat of you to single me out.

Because you're insulting people and being incredibly disrespectful. So stop it. You're an adult.

 

[God]

Has there ever been a rebuild that starts from a worse position if we wait that long?



Stop it with this bullshit.

Understand that the Canucks is the only team that behaves this way.

Understand that you and ~5 other posters on these forums are pretty much alone in the way you think.


I've had my Penguins fan friends (who hyped Rutherford up when he became the president) almost apologize for hyping JR and saying I guess the owner in Vancouver just wont JR do what needs to be done.

I've had former Liga player buddy ask what the f*** is wrong with the new management.

I've had everyone in my fantasy league laugh at me for having to endure another idiot management after a decade of error by Benning.

That would make it make more sense.

u mad?

 

[MS]

The frustration some fans have is a direct result of them wanting management to take a long term approach. Of course if you believe, as you do, that a win now approach is the preferred method then its harder to criticize management/coaching decisions over the last few months.

I ... don't think they've taken a 'win now' approach? The oldest players they've acquired are like, 25 or 26, and they're clearly trying to build something for the longer term over the next several years and trying to find players who fit that timeframe. This isn't a Jim Benning thing were he was trying for a one-year hit at 16th place and making incredibly short-sighted moves like Myers and OEL.

They absolutely did not have the freedom to do a multi-year tank that many here wanted and still have Pettersson/Hughes/Demko happy and signed long-term.

My frustration is that they've been too conservative, not that they've been too 'win now'.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Sorry.

Did not mean to drag this off topic.

For some reason thought this was in the management thread.


Now insulting someone who keeps calling most poster here "video game idiots" or what ever, I don't regret at all.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

u mad?

I dont know.

More frustrated than anything.

Its been a decade since we were relevant and I was so excited to get this new group in and they have been absolutely horrific.

Its going to be another decade before we will be anything. Its too long. Its way too long.

I ... don't think they've taken a 'win now' approach? The oldest players they've acquired are like, 25 or 26, and they're clearly trying to build something for the longer term over the next several years and trying to find players who fit that timeframe. This isn't a Jim Benning thing were he was trying for a one-year hit at 16th place and making incredibly short-sighted moves like Myers and OEL.

They absolutely did not have the freedom to do a multi-year tank that many here wanted and still have Pettersson/Hughes/Demko happy and signed long-term.

My frustration is that they've been too conservative, not that they've been too 'win now'.

Yes.

If they were going to do this they should have moved Miller at their first TDL and they would have needed to win that trade big.

Then do that same with Horvat and Kuzmenko this year. Not add more salary on wings to be in position to take advantage of teams in cap trouble. They have only managed to make the situation worse. Only thing that has got better is that some of the Benning era contract flubs are 1 year closer to ending.

 

[God]

I dont know.

More frustrated than anything.

Its been a decade since we were relevant and I was so excited to get this new group in and they have been absolutely horrific.

Its going to be another decade before we will be anything. Its too long. Its way too long.

relax. its been a year and a half, and pettersson and hughes have blossomed into top 5-10 players in their position, which we've never had before.

also the canucks are going to win the lottery.

 

[Hodgy]

I ... don't think they've taken a 'win now' approach? The oldest players they've acquired are like, 25 or 26, and they're clearly trying to build something for the longer term over the next several years and trying to find players who fit that timeframe. This isn't a Jim Benning thing were he was trying for a one-year hit at 16th place and making incredibly short-sighted moves like Myers and OEL.

They absolutely did not have the freedom to do a multi-year tank that many here wanted and still have Pettersson/Hughes/Demko happy and signed long-term.

My frustration is that they've been too conservative, not that they've been too 'win now'.

On the first point, to clarify, I mean "win in the short term" - i.e., next year. And I think that's the intent. Of course that doesn't mean that they think next year will be their best year or that they are not going to build further, but you get my point. And ya, I am not suggesting its like Benning's last "all in" year or anything. Clearly they are in "win now" mode, vs. rebuilding mode, in that their goal is to make the playoffs next year.

On the long term point, there is a distinction between what some fans want or hope management to do, and what some fans think management will actually do. The latter takes into consideration many things such as ownership and revenues, and personally, I wasn't surprised that management again refused to undertake a long term rebuild. With that said, personally, my preference who be a long term rebuild because I am a patient person and think that long term rebuilds have higher chances of succeeding than short term rebuilds the Canucks are trying.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

relax. its been a year and a half, and pettersson and hughes have blossomed into top 5-10 players in their position, which we've never had before.

also the canucks are going to win the lottery.

They are wasted already.

We are locked in to mediocrity.

I know you are being facetious.

 

[tradervik]

Holy f***

 

[bandwagonesque]

Hes going to be long gone when we compete again.

Whether or not that's true, do you actually believe it would be a good value proposition on any level to deliberately avoid bringing him back, getting him lots of work and resurrecting his career and confidence in order to draft 2-3 picks lower?

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

At least this thread is getting interesting not on topic but interesting.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

If they can’t get Michkov or the best defenceman of this draft class, throw the 2023 first rounder at the OEL problem. Pick is between 9-11 in this hypothetical.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

If they can’t get Michkov or the best defenceman of this draft class, throw the 2023 first rounder at the OEL problem. Pick is between 9-11 in this hypothetical.

Its not enough to move OEL.

Cap space is king in todays NHL.

But I do agree in principle, the path they have chosen, they absolutely need to move the 1st rounder for immediate help.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Its not enough to move OEL.

Cap space is king in todays NHL.

But I do agree in principle, the path they have chosen, they absolutely need to move the 1st rounder for immediate help.

Add whatever. Obviously to a point. The value provided by getting rid of that husk will easily trump the impact using the pick will.

Our team wants to chase their privates around in circles, so commit to it. No half measure bullshit. Get that OEL money back in play with actual NHL players.

 

[Gstank]

If they can’t get Michkov or the best defenceman of this draft class, throw the 2023 first rounder at the OEL problem. Pick is between 9-11 in this hypothetical.

This thread has a lot of bad takes but this is by far the worst of them all

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

This thread has a lot of bad takes but this is by far the worst of them all

Thanks stank

 

[sandwichbird2023]

marino, romanov and lundqvist all last offseason alone

i think getting an impact center or winger is harder than getting a top 4 defenseman by a huge margin

Marino yes.

Romanov is a left shot LSD.

Lundqvist is a bottom pairing guy and even he returned massive value in a trade.

None of the prospects after the top 5 or 6 grouping project to be #1C, and that is the only type of player that is worth more than a potential top pairing RSD. I'm not sure what the requirement is for "impact winger" but I don't think anybody below the top 6 projected to be a superstar winger in the NHL, barring Michkov falling.

I haven't done the research, but I feel like getting impact winger is a lot easier than impact RSD. Kucherov, Panarin, Robertson, Benn, Pavelski, Kaprizov, Zuccarello, Kyrou, Toffoli, Verhaeghe and our own Kuzmenko are all non-first round picks, just glancing at the top 50 scoring leader this season.

Montour, Fox, Barrie, Faulk, Andersson, Hronek, Druzi, Spurgeron and Schultz are the only non-first round pick RSD in the top 50 scorer among D. And I would say probably only 2-3 of them would be considered "impact player"?

It definitely feels more difficult to get a good RSD than a scoring winger. That is why I give the edge to Reinbacher from #7 on in this draft.

 

[canuckking1]

Really hope we can move up to 9 weirdly feels like a lot of good players have been picked from the number in recent years.

 

[VanJack]

I really can't get too worked up about the fact that the Canucks recent win-streak has reduced their odds of drafting Bedard from six percent to 3 percent. Those are pretty infinitesimal odds.

The reality is, the first overall pick is supposed to help the worst teams in hockey......and while the Canucks have been bad this season, they're nowhere near as bad as clubs like Anaheim, San Jose, Columbus and Chicago.

I just hope a good player falls to them in the first round. In 2017 Elias Pettersson was still available with the fifth pick; and in 2018, Hughes was miraculously still on the board at pick #8.

Canucks need some luck and another home-run pick like those two. Maybe somebody good falls again into their laps this year.

 

[clay]

Another name that could be targeted to fill a dire organizational need at RHD is Tom Willander. Solid frame and an excellent skater known for his defensive play. Is flying under the radar a bit but was ranked 15th on Craig Button's latest list. Produced at a better clip than Elias Pettersson (DPetey) in the U20 league in his draft year last year.

 

[tradervik]

Another name that could be targeted to fill a dire organizational need at RHD is Tom Willander. Solid frame and an excellent skater known for his defensive play. Is flying under the radar a bit but was ranked 15th on Craig Button's latest list. Produced at a better clip than Elias Pettersson (DPetey) in the U20 league in his draft year last year.

Interesting. Button had him at 26 in November. A couple of guys comparing him to Brett Pesce in this thread. Recently turned 18. Apparently heading to Boston U.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Another name that could be targeted to fill a dire organizational need at RHD is Tom Willander. Solid frame and an excellent skater known for his defensive play. Is flying under the radar a bit but was ranked 15th on Craig Button's latest list. Produced at a better clip than Elias Pettersson (DPetey) in the U20 league in his draft year last year.

I believe he is coming to North America to play college hockey too which would be a huge plus. The NCAA development path for prospects might be the best in hockey right now depending on the program.