2023 NHL Entry Draft Discussion

[VIPettersson]

Expect the pick to be traded, but if we keep it and Reinbacher is off the board, I wouldn't be opposed to reaching for Dragicevik. Big body and a great puck mover who put up huge numbers this year. He's raw defensively, but you would try to develop this part of his game as he has the tools to figure it out. Local boy as well, even though that should never factor into the pick.

I haven't seen the guy play but I mean for him to put up his numbers and essentially be relegated to the late 1st to early 2nd round brings up major red flags for me.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

What if we lose even more games in 2017 and end up with Nolan Patrick? What if we win more in 2016 instead of absolutely tanking out and end up with Charlie McAvoy?

Examples like this are pointless. There is a loss of value when you drop a couple picks in the draft, but it isn't the be-all/end-all and, again, is trumped by other much more important stuff.




And again, if a better finish for Boeser means we can move him out, that means a ton in terms of the long term overall health of the team.

We were never drafting that high. We were never as bad as the teams around us. We were always going to shoot up the standings when Demko returned and the generationally terrible goaltending that put us in that position temporarily normalized.

And it's also not like we didn't shut down multiple key players, trade our leading goal scorer and our best RHD, dress a bunch of college kids down the stretch, and so on. People are acting like we went all-out to move up the standings, and we didn't at all.

Well according to Linden, the team doesn't has Hischier or Patrick in their top 2. So chances are if we lose more games in 2017 we end up with either Makar, Heiskanen or used a higher pick on Petey. Also if we win more in 2016 we would not have a shot at Tkachuk, which should have been the obvious pick.

I have never said that dropping a couple slots is the be-all/end-all, however, I also don't think that needlessly dropping our pick voluntarily is wise for the long term health of the team. You don't HAVE TO play Hughes 27mins a game. You don't HAVE TO start Demko 70% of the time. You don't HAVE TO play Petey/JTM so many minutes either. These are choices made for short team gain, but doesn't matter much in the long term (in fact might hurt because of the drop in draft position).

What difference does a hypothetical 45pts vs 60pts Boeser make on the trade market? Maybe you have to attach a 2nd with a 45pts Boeser to trade him, and maybe for a 60pts Boeser you can dump him for nothing? Maybe it doesn't matter either way because nobody has the cap space to take on a $6.6m contract for a 1 dimension slow scoring winger that doesn't drive a line? I just don't see the long term value in boosting his stats in the expense of a higher pick.

We could've use this period of time to really evaluate what we have going forward (like we are doing the past few games), giving ice time to the youngster/fringe guys and see if they can produce, find out if any of them can play a bigger role next season. Give Pod some PP time, use Studnicka more on the PK, see if Aman can handle 3rd line minutes, see if any combo has chemistry that we can use for next season, etc etc.


I hate to derail this thread more than I already have, so I'll just end here. I know I won't be able to convince you otherwise so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

Stevie Y jumping off stage after scoring Reinbacher one pick before the Canucks.

 

[Canucks LB]

What's your list look like?

I’m pretty sure I posted it already, give me a bit I’ll repost it

 

[brock hughes007]

Teams love drafting centers so they always end up gojng earlier than expected. Guys like Dvorsky, Moore, Danielson and Yager will be prioritized. Hopefully that means a guy like Benson can slip down to us

I'd love that,,Benson is my 2nd favorite after Bedard.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Again, if thats all you took from that single article... note there is more, and was more at the time, then you should re-read the article.

There is like two points in there this one included about it being negative, and then a bunch of points about it not being bad, and how it is even different in hockey, and the main point in the end saying as long as it is properly monitored it isn't bad.

I can tell you that is not how it works.

I dont know why since you are incapable of believing anything I write.. but that is not how it works. You cant prevent the compensatory damage via the cunning act of monitoring.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

We were never drafting that high. We were never as bad as the teams around us. We were always going to shoot up the standings when Demko returned and the generationally terrible goaltending that put us in that position temporarily normalized.

And it's also not like we didn't shut down multiple key players, trade our leading goal scorer and our best RHD, dress a bunch of college kids down the stretch, and so on. People are acting like we went all-out to move up the standings, and we didn't at all.

Can you also explain why Demko has played almost all the games after returning?
I just cant figure out how they expected that wont move us up the standings.

 

[10robinho10]

Samuel Honzek about NHL teams interested in him and possibility of playing at WC 2023

 

[DFAC]

Samuel Honzek about NHL teams interested in him and possibility of playing at WC 2023

Yeah Im gonna need a translation for that lol

 

[Nucker42]

The good news is that once you’re out of the top 4 I think anything goes.

 

[Gstank]

Honzek is someone I would definitely consider taking. I think he has the highest upside of the 3 Big Wingers. (Barlow, Wood and But) and he would be a top 10 pick if he played the full season. If we had a NYI 1st round pick I would be pushing hard to draft him.

I think we should also take a look at Lipinski in the 3rd round. a Big C who had a very productive year for the Giants despite them not having much offense at all after they lost Honzek. He kind of Reminds me of Rantanen or Hintez.

I would be down to trade with someone like like Arizona (for Ottawa 2023 1st) and acquire another 2nd or 2 3rds and then use those assets to trade back into the 2nd round. I dont see much of a talent top off from around 16 to the high 30's

Dvorsky, Danielsson, Honzek, Reinbacher, Simashev, ASD, Moore, Yager, Sale, Barlow and Leonard would be the group of players I have 7-17

The top group would be Dvorsky, Moore, Honzek, then Barlow, Sale, Danielsson and lastly next group would be Yager, Leonard, ASD, Reinbacher, Simashev

 

[bandwagonesque]

Can you also explain why Demko has played almost all the games after returning?
I just cant figure out how they expected that wont move us up the standings.

Because he's arguably the team's most important player, is returning from a serious injury, and needs to play and rebuild his confidence. Any team outside of maybe Arizona would do exactly the same thing -- it doesn't mean they aren't strategically taking reasonable steps to get a better pick.

The type of tanking you're suggesting the Canucks should do is only done infrequently by teams planning to bottom out for several seasons, because the human/psychological cost for teams in any other situation is too high.

 

[NomadSports94]

Because he's arguably the team's most important player, is returning from a serious injury, and needs to play and rebuild his confidence. Any team outside of maybe Arizona would do exactly the same thing -- it doesn't mean they aren't strategically taking reasonable steps to get a better pick.

The type of tanking you're suggesting the Canucks should do is only done infrequently by teams planning to bottom out for several seasons, because the human/psychological cost for teams in any other situation is too high.

I mean Anaheim, Chicago, Montreal all played lineups that would have a hard time competing in the AHL

 

[Lindgren]

Samuel Honzek about NHL teams interested in him and possibility of playing at WC 2023

From the article you linked:

"I have already filled out several questionnaires for Detroit, with which I have also completed a video meeting. General manager Steve Yzerman even came to see me in person. The general manager of Washington also came to see me."

Honzek also highlighted one club from which he feels special interest.

"With St. I am in the most intensive contact with Louis, we attend several meetings, I fill out many questionnaires for them."

 

[bandwagonesque]

I mean Anaheim, Chicago, Montreal all played lineups that would have a hard time competing in the AHL

Anaheim, Chicago and Montreal have completely different sets of priorities and weren't trying to integrate a star goaltender back into their lineup.

 

[NomadSports94]

Anaheim, Chicago and Montreal have completely different sets of priorities and weren't trying to integrate a star goaltender back into their lineup.

You can easily integrate Demko back into the lineup without him playing 90% of the remaining games, the guy just got back form injury and you risk reinjury if you are doing a "playoff" style push without actually being near the playoffs

 

[Gstank]

From the article you linked:

"I have already filled out several questionnaires for Detroit, with which I have also completed a video meeting. General manager Steve Yzerman even came to see me in person. The general manager of Washington also came to see me."

Honzek also highlighted one club from which he feels special interest.

"With St. I am in the most intensive contact with Louis, we attend several meetings, I fill out many questionnaires for them."

Is this not tampering? It seems like its similar to what Chyka was doing in Arizona. It definitely seems like GM have a similar value to me on Honzek that he is probably the best Winger on the board besides MIchkov. I dont have Smith and Benson as wingers though

 

[Bgav]

Is this not tampering? It seems like its similar to what Chyka was doing in Arizona. It definitely seems like GM have a similar value to me on Honzek that he is probably the best Winger on the board besides MIchkov. I dont have Smith and Benson as wingers though

Lol no. Pre draft interviews are allowed. Also, he’s not a ufa lol

 

[rypper]

Huh, Kole Lind is having himself a decent season in Coachella Valley.

 

[MS]

Can you also explain why Demko has played almost all the games after returning?
I just cant figure out how they expected that wont move us up the standings.

He started 17/23 games after returning which is a normal workload projecting to 60/82 games. It's less than he played over the full season last year.

Of course they knew that would move them up in the standings. But he's a star player who was in a funk to start the year and needed to get back on track and play himself back up to previous levels.

And he's also a professional and wants to play. You don't take a guy who's been frustrated with the direction of the team and wants to be a part of turning things around and say 'ha, sorry Thatcher, we're sticking you on the bench while we try to lose games'.

Because he's arguably the team's most important player, is returning from a serious injury, and needs to play and rebuild his confidence. Any team outside of maybe Arizona would do exactly the same thing -- it doesn't mean they aren't strategically taking reasonable steps to get a better pick.

The type of tanking you're suggesting the Canucks should do is only done infrequently by teams planning to bottom out for several seasons, because the human/psychological cost for teams in any other situation is too high.

Exactly.

 

[bandwagonesque]

without him playing 90% of the remaining games,

They haven't done this. He's started 77 percent of games, roughly the target the team has set for him as ideal.

the guy just got back form injury

He's been back from injury for 6 weeks, and under the circumstances was likely allowed to heal completely before playing. The entire point of playing him regularly since has been to make sure he's healthy and confident.

and you risk reinjury if you are doing a "playoff" style push

They aren't doing this. The team is playing two rookies on D and of late has given the harder games to Delia.

 

[racerjoe]

I would say holding Demko out as long as they did was also more of a tanking, but people don't like to talk about how his 4-6 week injury ended up being like half the season, cause it doesn't fit their narrative.

People like talking about how the team shouldn't play a player so we can tank, but when the team shuts down two players, there is a big injury conspiracy. Why? Narratives.

This fan base has been hurt so bad from years of benning they can't stop looking at things badly.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Reinbacher getting some hype.

 

[credulous]

i don't think reinbacher is a bad pick but i think the hype is out of control. just because seider had a similar path doesn't mean seider is a good comparable

 

[MS]

I would say holding Demko out as long as they did was also more of a tanking, but people don't like to talk about how his 4-6 week injury ended up being like half the season, cause it doesn't fit their narrative.

People like talking about how the team shouldn't play a player so we can tank, but when the team shuts down two players, there is a big injury conspiracy. Why? Narratives.

This fan base has been hurt so bad from years of benning they can't stop looking at things badly.

It's crazy how like half this board seems to think they've thrown 100% at a massive late-season push and every thread is filled with these stupid sarcastic 'MUST WIN GAME!' posts when they've done nothing of the sort.

The new coach is justifiably trying to implement a better defensive system after years of rot. And they're giving Hughes/Pettersson a chance at bigger minutes, partly to keep them happy and see if they can level up and partly because there is simply no depth after trading guys and shutting other guys down for the season. Demko has played his normal workload.

They've also traded away their leading goal scorer, traded away their top RHD and defensive defender, shut down 3 key guys for the season, and filled like half the roster with AHL players and NCAA signings. And, as you say, kept Demko out for a suspiciously long time before bringing him back.