2023 NHL Entry Draft Discussion

[Canucks LB]

Uhhhhh I don't think so lol.

Sorry i was wrong, going over list, the drop is after 8 not 9.

 

[Nucker101]

This is likely me just coping with the tank getting derailed, but Oliver Moore sound like a damn good prospect for a guy projected to be available around 10th overall

 

[DFAC]

This is likely me just coping with the tank getting derailed, but Oliver Moore sound like a damn good prospect for a guy projected to be available around 10th overall

He would be my pick too

 

[Szechwan]

You take Cristall all day because he's best friends with Bedard and would ensure his defection to Vancouver at the first opportunity.

 

[Grub]

I'm hoping we get lucky like New York. Imagine getting a top 2 pick in this draft.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

Reinbacher is overrated by fans because they see the point totals but he doesnt have great tools. I saw someone compare him to Dobson and I think thats a fair comparison. Dobson is a good player but not someone I would take over a Hischer, Larkin, Bregeron type of player. And that is what I see with Dvorsky, Moore and Danielson

agreed

the hype in here is hilariously inaccurate. he will likely be taken high based on position but skill alone he's a pick in the teens

 

[Bgav]

I'm hoping we get lucky like New York. Imagine getting a top 2 pick in this draft.

Don’t do that to yourself lol

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Its pretty simple... much like them shutting down Myk, to have surgery... they could have pushed him to have offseason surgery, but decided it was smarter to have it now and be ready for next year.

Lots of teams do this stuff. It's just a few weird Canuck fans freaking out.

The Mikheyev one is far more messed up...

Its insane that they let him play for the 40 games and we wont know for a good while what damage he did to his leg in doing so.

 

[racerjoe]

The Mikheyev one is far more messed up...

Its insane that they let him play for the 40 games and we wont know for a good while what damage he did to his leg in doing so.

Except multiple people who actually work in the health and rehab said it was fine... and not people on this board... but you know real experts.

 

[Bitz and Bites]

Those two players specifically shouldnt be drafted before 10.

I disagree when you say Danielsson and Dvorsky arent on the same level as Moore. They are much more complete players then Moore currently is and its the same thing that Canucks fans were saying abotu Nazar last year. Who had a rather disappointing season at Michigan this year

Bedard, Carlsson, Fantilli, Michkov, Smith, Benson are pretty universally seen as the top 6 talents in this draft. The group after them is Leonard, Moore, Dvorsky, Danielsson, Barlow and Sale Talent wise. Rienbacher, Simashev and ASP if you are taking into positional value as well. I think Heidt will see his name rise up draft boards as we get closer to the draft as well

I wouldnt reach for any of the 3 Dman as Moore, Dvorsky, Danielsson are better talents and if we are taking about upside Simashev is the Dman you would take a swing at because he is the only one who has #1 upside. Those names alone take you to the 10th overall pick and I think one of Honzak, Barlow, Cristall will be taking in the top 10. I think Honzak is a better prospect and player then Barlow, who is consistenly rated in the 7-11 range in mock drafts

Reinbacher is overrated by fans because they see the point totals but he doesnt have great tools. I saw someone compare him to Dobson and I think thats a fair comparison. Dobson is a good player but not someone I would take over a Hischer, Larkin, Bregeron type of player. And that is what I see with Dvorsky, Moore and Danielson

I think Moore has more upside than Danielson due to his elite skating and really high compete level. He’s special talent who puts up strong numbers despite being the the second line C behind Will Smith and not getting prime offensive minutes.
Danielson I like as a prospect and wouldn’t hate the pick but I just see him as more of a 2/3C without anything about him that really pops. He’s a smart, solid, and versatile C who should be a good pro but I kinda get Cody Glass vibes from him.
Dvorsky seems very vanilla and lacks footspeed, he seems to be just kinda there and not impactful at all. Not a fan and hopefully we don’t pick him as there will likely be better options at wing.

Simashev I like as well, Id take him over Dvorsky, Sale, Barlow, Leonard, ASP, and probably Danielson.
I’d definitely take Reinbacher over him, although it’s close.

 

[me2]

Except multiple people who actually work in the health and rehab said it was fine... and not people on this board... but you know real experts.

Like the ones working on Pearson's hand?

 

[Bitz and Bites]

That's my worry about the late season hot streak too. A lot of the A prospects in prime positions will be taken, and the BPA ended up being wingers (worse yet, smallish skilled wingers). It's not ideal using all your top picks on wingers, can't build a team like that, and generally they have relatively low trade value so you can't even use the "trade from surplus" angle.

If we ended up #10-13, trading down might be a decent option, depending if we can get value. Players slotted from around 9 to 20 seems fairly equal.

If we do end up around #10-12 and all the most desirable prospects are gone, I wouldn't mind taking Simashev like you said. Might as well swing for the homerun. Getting a decent middle 6 C like Danielson or Dvorsky is helpful for building C depth, but a prospect with top pairing potential is hard to pass up on.

Another thing that seems to be glossed over is that "tanking" as low in the standing as possible also helps move picks from round 2 onwards higher. That always help. There are usually some excellent players to be had at the top of the 2nd. Not going to matter this year but the logic still applies as an ongoing strategy.

I could be on board with trading down if the top C and Reinbacher are gone and then taking someone like Simashev in the mid-teens although he could be gone as this draft is really light on good defensive D and that’s our biggest need.
Yeah, having a high pick in the second is also important, just look at 2014 where we got Demko and the rest of that round is completely meh except for Vanacek and Montour.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Except multiple people who actually work in the health and rehab said it was fine... and not people on this board... but you know real experts.

I work in said health & rehab field, even with pro athletes at times.

For a worst case scenario go look at Sean Couturier's injury history. He played through a similar injury for only a short time. He developed massive problems up the kinetic chain of that leg, first with the hip than with his lower back. Its quite a common occurrence for the injuries to "spiral" this way.

The obvious difference is, Couturier risked this in the playoffs and Mikheyev did it in a nothing-season...


The fact that the Canucks employ multiple pseudoscience chiropractors in Harry Sese, Erik Yuill & Glenn Cashman on their health team should worry you a whole lot. To me the failure to properly asses the potential danger of letting Mikheyev play through an injury like this should get people fired.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

We are going to draft ASP.

Book it.

 

[DFAC]

Teams love drafting centers so they always end up gojng earlier than expected. Guys like Dvorsky, Moore, Danielson and Yager will be prioritized. Hopefully that means a guy like Benson can slip down to us

 

[racerjoe]

Like the ones working on Pearson's hand?

We don't even know who or what happened with him. Its concerning but that is speculation on something where all we know is something went wrong. It could very easily be not a Canucks medical staff issue for it.

However I am talking about non Canuck medical people. Here is one of many articles written about it.

How Ilya Mikheyev played through a nearly entirely torn ACL

With the news that Ilya Mikheyev is being shut down for the rest of th...

canucksarmy.com

 

[Baby Pettersson]

We are going to draft ASP.

Book it.

I hope so. Best Dman in the draft.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Anybody else wouldn’t mind trading the 10-11th pick for the Blues’s 25th and 26th overall?

Good chance we can grab a faller there + grab a defensive prospect which there are tons of near the mid to late 1st round.

We can grab 6’4 LHD Simashev or 6’2 PPG Seabrook esque RHD in Dragicevic with one of those picks and grab a faller from the top 15.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Anybody else wouldn’t mind trading the 10-11th pick for the Blues’s 25th and 26th overall?

Good chance we can grab a faller there + grab a defensive prospect which there are tons of near the mid to late 1st round.

We can grab 6’4 LHD Simashev or 6’2 PPG Seabrook esque RHD in Dragicevic with one of those picks and grab a faller from the top 15.

25th and 26th is a little too low for me. I would be ok dropping to the mid to late teens and pick up a 2nd rounder, as I see the prospects ranked between 9-18ish being similarly talented. After that there is another drop off. And I doubt either Simashev and Dragicevic is available in the late 20s.

It would be really underwhelming to go through a season as bad as this to end up with just 2 low 1st round pick. Having more picks are good, but having 1 high quality prospect is better than 2 mid quality ones, IMO.

 

[NomadSports94]

Dvorsky over Leonard?

Definitely. Out of the 3 USNDTP players id rank them Smith-Moore-Leonard quite easily

 

[NomadSports94]

Anybody else wouldn’t mind trading the 10-11th pick for the Blues’s 25th and 26th overall?

Good chance we can grab a faller there + grab a defensive prospect which there are tons of near the mid to late 1st round.

We can grab 6’4 LHD Simashev or 6’2 PPG Seabrook esque RHD in Dragicevic with one of those picks and grab a faller from the top 15.

Simashev will not be available after 20 yet alone 25th, if you really insist on moving down then you go to Montreal and go like 11 for 19 and 37

 

[sting101]

I think Moore has more upside than Danielson due to his elite skating and really high compete level. He’s special talent who puts up strong numbers despite being the the second line C behind Will Smith and not getting prime offensive minutes.
Danielson I like as a prospect and wouldn’t hate the pick but I just see him as more of a 2/3C without anything about him that really pops. He’s a smart, solid, and versatile C who should be a good pro but I kinda get Cody Glass vibes from him.
Dvorsky seems very vanilla and lacks footspeed, he seems to be just kinda there and not impactful at all. Not a fan and hopefully we don’t pick him as there will likely be better options at wing.

Simashev I like as well, Id take him over Dvorsky, Sale, Barlow, Leonard, ASP, and probably Danielson.
I’d definitely take Reinbacher over him, although it’s close.

Disagree with you on Dvorsky. Hardly vanilla. If he had a little more speed he would be the 5th pick. His on puck skills IQ edges and 2 way acumen are excellent. The divisiveness is if he can't find another gear at the NHL level he wont be a line driver and i think that is where he falls down a bit in the rankings. Has a very translatable pro game and should be a C so if you think you can develop the skating a bit then he could be a Lindholm type player IMO. I like him obviously... more than i liked Glass in his draft year

Moore is an interesting one. Like everything about his game but his skills are not super high end and i wonder if he ends up as a winger in the NHL. He would be tough to pass on just because that skating and his work ethic could propel him to a Dylan Larkin type player and that's incredibly attractive. Everything for Moore will depend on how he processes the game at NHL speed and i know that's cliche but i wouldn't say he's at the top end of this draft classes IQ and skill

Danielson seems like a safe pick but as an 04 his production is not great from how that translates to a top6 C in the NHL. Is it because of the poor surroundings and lack of quality teammates or is it because he does most of his damage off the rush and on the PP and doesn't manipulate small area play that well? I think it's a little of both but Ridley Greig in Brandon was able to produce 1.51 ppg in his 18 yr old season while ND had 1.14. I do respect the fact they lost both Lorio and Nychuk and dont have a top end D or much in the way of winger help. Danielson is a good player just wonder about the ultimate upside and if it's even as a top6 C. From what i've seen i would be ok with the gamble

I would be happy with any of these 3 players and Brayden Yager is another who i feel is getting a bit underrated because his production hasn't popped but his 2 way game and playmaking that he set out to show he could develop more due to some criticisms in his 16/17yr old season has improved a lot. Yager has had his best games against other top players and the Hlinka and often moves off Firkus's line to balance the scoring and play against other top lines. Some arent convinced he's a C at the NHL level and he will need some meat on his bones to stay there. He reminds me of Jared McCann but i wouldn't write him off being a pivot yet as he very well could be a good one if he develops properly

These are my 4 favourite prospects in our range unless Reinbacher is still around. None of Leonard Barlow Musty Honzek and Sale are above them for me but are close and i could see the rationale even if i would disagree a bit from my armchair scouting. Cristall is a DND for me now even with the higher end skills.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

We don't even know who or what happened with him. Its concerning but that is speculation on something where all we know is something went wrong. It could very easily be not a Canucks medical staff issue for it.

Only way I would put any blame from the Pearson complications on the Canucks is if they recommended unnecessary surgery. From what I understand he has been dealing with an infection and every time you perform surgery there is a not-zero-percentage chance of an infection.

However I am talking about non Canuck medical people. Here is one of many articles written about it.

How Ilya Mikheyev played through a nearly entirely torn ACL

With the news that Ilya Mikheyev is being shut down for the rest of th...

canucksarmy.com

I'm glad you linked that article:

"This is only a stopgap measure though. As time progresses, as more load is consistently placed on an injured knee without an ACL, other issues will start appearing. The aforementioned meniscus issues might surface, the other knee might see an increase in the risk of injury, the ankle or hip gives way from overcompensation."

 

[NomadSports94]

Disagree with you on Dvorsky. Hardly vanilla. If he had a little more speed he would be the 5th pick. His on puck skills IQ edges and 2 way acumen are excellent. The divisiveness is if he can't find another gear at the NHL level he wont be a line driver and i think that is where he falls down a bit in the rankings. Has a very translatable pro game and should be a C so if you think you can develop the skating a bit then he could be a Lindholm type player IMO. I like him obviously... more than i liked Glass in his draft year

Moore is an interesting one. Like everything about his game but his skills are not super high end and i wonder if he ends up as a winger in the NHL. He would be tough to pass on just because that skating and his work ethic could propel him to a Dylan Larkin type player and that's incredibly attractive. Everything for Moore will depend on how he processes the game at NHL speed and i know that's cliche but i wouldn't say he's at the top end of this draft classes IQ and skill

Danielson seems like a safe pick but as an 04 his production is not great from how that translates to a top6 C in the NHL. Is it because of the poor surroundings and lack of quality teammates or is it because he does most of his damage off the rush and on the PP and doesn't manipulate small area play that well? I think it's a little of both but Ridley Greig in Brandon was able to produce 1.51 ppg in his 18 yr old season while ND had 1.14. I do respect the fact they lost both Lorio and Nychuk and dont have a top end D or much in the way of winger help. Danielson is a good player just wonder about the ultimate upside and if it's even as a top6 C. From what i've seen i would be ok with the gamble

I would be happy with any of these 3 players and Brayden Yager is another who i feel is getting a bit underrated because his production hasn't popped but his 2 way game and playmaking that he set out to show he could develop more due to some criticisms in his 16/17yr old season has improved a lot. Yager has had his best games against other top players and the Hlinka and often moves off Firkus's line to balance the scoring and play against other top lines. Some arent convinced he's a C at the NHL level and he will need some meat on his bones to stay there. He reminds me of Jared McCann but i wouldn't write him off being a pivot yet as he very well could be a good one if he develops properly

These are my 4 favourite prospects in our range unless Reinbacher is still around. None of Leonard Barlow Musty Honzek and Sale are above them for me but are close and i could see the rationale even if i would disagree a bit from my armchair scouting. Cristall is a DND for me now even with the higher end skills.

100% agreed in not drafting Cristall at all. Danielson too me can top out at 2C but my top targets right now have to be Dvorsky or Reinbacher. If you walk away with one of those 2 then id be ecstatic

 

[MS]

The “value” gained based on your subjective view points is just like your opinion man.

Every player you mentioned is a known quantity, doing the garbage time stat pad.


@RacerJoe post your webpages you’re sourcing. Forgive me for not taking your word for it.

Also how do you reconcile the idea they’re putting up points based on a soft schedule against the idea they’re much improved and a bubble team?

The idea that finishing 5th bottom is impossible is just silly. The team in 5th bottom currently was 4 points ahead of the Canucks when Tocchet was hired. There is definitely a possibility they could’ve finished poorly. Suggesting it’s dreamland or impossible is dumb.

This is just such nonsense. We were sitting 6th bottom based on generationally terrible goaltending and a tough schedule. I don't know how many times I tried explaining that it wasn't sustainable and that we were nowhere near as bad as the teams around us, and we weren't and it wasn't.

Outside of forcibly holding Demko out of the lineup and starting Martin in 80% of the games, we weren't getting a top-5 pick. And with the way the schedule softened up, even that probably wouldn't have been enough.

And of course strong play and results changes value, and of course it's better that Brock Boeser finished well and at a 60-point pace instead of cratering to 45 points or whatever. Same with JT Miller's huge 2nd half bump, if they're looking at moving him.

I wish the draft thread was about prospects.

Seeing teenagers lament the fact that we should have betrayed ourselves and broken our culture by sitting a number one goalie (who is a star) who is trying to get himself up to speed, dismayed Hughes and Pettersson who are developing into superstars by throttling their ice time down to play losers because 'muh picks', further cratered the trade value of all the assets we might want to move....

How can you be this myopic? Do you forget the human psychology/group psychology of sports? This isn't a bunch of 0's and 1's in an EA GM sim where it doesn't matter what the players 'think' and you can just restart if it doesn't work.

We weren't picking higher than 5th and damnnn did I want Benson. But we're just a far better team than the detritus beside us.

The Devils were appalling last year because of goaltending. We were appalling this year because of goaltending.

We won't suddenly be as good as they are, but we won't be sniffing at top 10 pick next year. If we pick 8th this year that's great, more likely it will be 9th or 10th.

Pretty much this. Sports fandom in 2023 is being overrun by teenagers and people with teenage-level brains who think life is the same as videogames.