If the top Goalie of the draft was still around (Hrabel) at our pick would you guys be okay with it? Or is it the feeling that we've drafted enough goalies the past couple years that we should see what we have before drafting one in the early rounds?
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evnted
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dont think its fair to say top goalie. he might get the most votes to go first but i think the class is kinda open in this regard. theres probably an expected top 2/3 of hrabal, bjarnason, and maybe augustine, with another batch of guys like fowler, gajan, ratzlaff, etc. not terribly far behind, not to mention a few darkhorses like clara who could surprise and go earlier due to size, athleticism, and an elite glove. goalie drafting in particular feels so wonky come draft day
hrabal has tremendous tools and reaction speed but really struggles moving laterally and has some issue anticipating play. bjarnason pretty much checks the box for anything youre looking for in a starter (size, reflexes, tracking, etc) but has difficulties with his stance and a little bit of a spooky resume (granted he was a workhorse for a crap BWK team). augustine is about as focused and as technically sound of a netminder as you can find, though hes on the smaller end for goalies and is almost too rigid at times which is gonna get him beat on plays the other two likely wouldnt give up
that said, i think thered be clear starter potential in some of these options and would be fine with a goalie being the pick at 58, i just dont know if im over the moon on any one of them enough (or think theres enough separation amongst the group) to push for it
Here's something that's tickled my mind.
Simon Nemec for 2OA (Adam Fantilli)
it would hurt and Nemec is definitely more of a sure thing at this point but I think Fantilli fixes more of our forward lineup issues then Nemec fixes the defence.
Basically Nemec is the cherry on top that is extremely nice but not ENTIRELY needed while Fantilli would be a cog in the machine that gets everything running smoothly.
Simon Nemec for 2OA (Adam Fantilli)
it would hurt and Nemec is definitely more of a sure thing at this point but I think Fantilli fixes more of our forward lineup issues then Nemec fixes the defence.
Basically Nemec is the cherry on top that is extremely nice but not ENTIRELY needed while Fantilli would be a cog in the machine that gets everything running smoothly.
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That's a hard pass from the ducks, I'm sure
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I’m also very comfortable with Nico/Jack at C. Nemec on the back end with Luke and what we already have will make us have arguably the best D-core in the league someday.
If Fantilli had been a few weeks older, he possibly would have gone before Slafkovsky last year. Anaheim's not as deep on the right side but their prospect D pipeline is pretty stacked to the point where Henry Thrun refused to sign with them.
I was thinking that Fantilli would basically take Haula's spot Faceoff for Hughes and then would be a Winger for Hughes. We resign Haula who can this time be the Permanent 3C instead of all the weird lines because Hughes can't take Faceoffs.
Clearly has become offseason/summer for me with these type of big brained thoughts.
My guess is that they’d rather have Anderson from MTL for second overall.
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Ducks say no. Fantilli is more valuable and Anaheim needs another top line center way more than they need a defenseman.
They finished this year sweeping the CHL Best Defensemen: OHL Most Outstanding Defenseman (Mintyukov, 2022 #10), WHL Top Defenseman (Zellwegar, 2021 #34), and QMJHL Defenseman of the Year (Luneau, 2022 #53).
And also QMJHL Best Defensive Defenseman of the Year (Hinds, 2021 #76).
Plus they have Drydale (2020 #6) and round that all out with even more solid defensive prospects (Warren, LaCombe, Moore, Helleson).
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That is an easy no from Anaheim. I don't want to speak in absolutes, but not even mentioning Anaheim needing forwards much more than defensemen, Adam Fantilli is plain and simple just way better than Nemec. That's not to take anything away from Nemec, but Fantilli is a surefire #1 in most other drafts. Fantilli would have been the no-brainer #1 last year if he was born a month earlier, and the gap between himself and the rest of the 2022 field has only widened after the season he had this year.
I'm pretty confident that Anaheim would not accept anything less than Jack Hughes for that pick, and I think they'd probably still hesitate before making that deal. That's how good Fantilli is.
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It’s hard pass from Anaheim and should be pass from us. Oilers with better offense svck, tampa with much better defense achieved something.
And Nemec has potential to be 60-75 points defenseman, who is good in defensive zone. It’s not less valuable.
And Nemec has potential to be 60-75 points defenseman, who is good in defensive zone. It’s not less valuable.
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I would argue top line centers are more valuable, they’re harder to get and it’s the most critical position.
We happen to be one of the few teams that have two young ones and that’s only because we drafted both of them 1OA.
It would never happen though, the top 5 picks in this draft aren’t going anywhere. Those GMs are dying to use those picks.
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Ofcourse. 1st line centers are most valuable. For those who don't have them. We have. So potential top pair defenseman/20+ min eater who can produce more than 60 points, is more valuable than potential top line winger(because center position is hold by Nico and Jack).
Reason why I told that its hard pass for Ducks and should be pass for us.
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This guy is going to be a beast in this league when he arrives to whomever team he ends up with.
@StevenToddIves , do you agree?
Stramel would probably be gone but if there would be good .....Mackinnon RHD might be a good pick.....I hope they find a way to add some picks if not hopefully do best with few we have....
the kyle beach assault happened years ago and broke in october 21. nobody talked about removing chicago's lottery pick last season. why now?
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People talked about them losing a 1st in 2021 when Chicago was only punished with a 2m fine. Their 2022 1st was already gone by then, so it would have been their 2023 1st.
They aren’t going to lose their pick retroactively but people will bitch about it because they could have lost it as part of their original punishment.
People are talk about it now because they won the draft. It’s true. People who point this out cracked the code.
of course
our pipeline is still lacking at the position. who ever thinks schmid is a sure fire starter should read, what they thought about blackwood 3-4 years ago.
finally we can move nico to 3c
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Where's Steven Todd and My3Sons !? This draft got alot more interesting for me after the Severson trade.
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Getting the 80th overall pick for basically free was a huge win. This is an extremely deep draft and there'll be plenty of interesting players available around at that pick.
Just to add a chunk after this morning's trade:
65. Anaheim
66. Columbus
67. Chicago
68. Nashville (via SJS) [Kunin]
69. Montreal
70. Arizona
71. Philadelphia
72. Arizona (via WSH) [Larsson]
73. Detroit
74. St. Louis
75. Vancouver
76. St. Louis (via OTT/TOR) [Murray/O'Reilly]
77. Vegas (via BUF) [Eichel]
78. Los Angeles (via PIT) [Carter]
79. Nashville
80. New Jersey (via CGY/SEA/CLB) [Jarnkrok/Bjorkstrand/Severson]
I had a futile two round mock about ready to post, but I guess I can expand it 80 for the lolz.
Forge
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even if Hrabel’s gone, i’d love to come out of this draft with at least one goalie, preferably 2. The system is in a great spot right now for F and D and i’d love to have sone extra depth in net. There’s still no telling whether Daws or Schmid have true starting G potential.
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wahlberg i dont expect to be there for us, theres just too many facets of his game that look like a late 1st/early 2nd project pick. inside driven, solid competitor in both zones but especially as a forechecker, moves pretty well, good size, fine but no standout offensive skill (maybe shooting?), pretty classic play facilitator/space creator. dont think hes the most adept thinker of the game and i doubt hes a big time producer unless hes stapled to someone high end, but he would definitely be a target id be on board with if he made it to 58. lawson crouse-y
lipinski on the other end i think 58 might be a little early for my taste (esp with the addition of pick 80 as another option) but i wouldnt necessarily hate it. he seems like a classic sens overdraft player so thankfully they moved their early picks lol really similar to one of their kids ostapchuk if youre familiar. lipinski is honestly a little bit of a tricky read for me. so much of his game is simple, responsible, low event, kinda low pace, N-S, get pucks on net type hockey that looks like a bottom 6 player, but every so often he'll fire some really nice shot off or totally dance a defender and you kinda go hmm. hes athletic, works hard, and while the points might not reflect it as much i think his game had some pretty solid progression over the season. i think if they both hit theyre serving similar roles for an nhl team, wahlberg is just an easier projection/more probable up the lineup pick
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