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hawksrule said:
I’m admittedly no scout, but I’ve seen Matthew Wood play a few times and the dude can’t skate. Lumbering is the adjective that came to mind.
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This is true, but he's so good that I think I'm willing to overlook his skating deficiencies.

It's too much risk to burn a top 10 pick, but outside the top 10 he's among those with the highest ceilings available.

He's a true boom or bust pick, and we know if he busts it'll be because of the skating. But what he's doing is hard to ignore. As a freshman, he's running his entire team's offense. His shooting form is picture perfect, they should teach it in school. His stickhandling is elite, he's a solid playmaker, and the size is tantalizing.

At best you could have the next Tage Thompson on your hands. But even if he winds up closer to a Strome level player, that's still worth picking in the top 15.
 
Kevin Musto said:
This is true, but he's so good that I think I'm willing to overlook his skating deficiencies.

It's too much risk to burn a top 10 pick, but outside the top 10 he's among those with the highest ceilings available.

He's a true boom or bust pick, and we know if he busts it'll be because of the skating. But what he's doing is hard to ignore. As a freshman, he's running his entire team's offense. His shooting form is picture perfect, they should teach it in school. His stickhandling is elite, he's a solid playmaker, and the size is tantalizing.

At best you could have the next Tage Thompson on your hands. But even if he winds up closer to a Strome level player, that's still worth picking in the top 15.
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Thompson’s a good skater though, especially for his size. I don’t know, maybe there are fixable flaws, but no star nhl players lumber around like that. You’ve probably seen Wood or watched clips. It sticks out like a sore thumb.
 
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hawksfan50 said:
My new draft rankings Top 20

1.Connor Bedard
2 Adam Fanantilli
3.Will Smith
4 Zac Benson
5. Mathew Wood
6.Mikhail Gulayev (D)
7.Leo Carlsson
8.Andrew Cristal
9.Oliver Moore
10.Ryan Leonard
11.Gabriel Perreault
12. Colby Barlow
13. MATVEI MICHKOV
14.Riley Heidt
15.OLIVER BONK(D)
16. Axel-Pelikka (D)
17.Koehn Zimmer
18.Brayden Yager
19.Edouard Sale
20. (Still deciding)

I still have concerns about Carlsson's lack of pace...he looks like a solid power forward for a 200 ft player but doubt whether he drives a line as a Center...may just be a power winger...which us fine and likely a high floor safe and solid player ...maybe like Sedin level winger ..whichbus great but not consensus top 3 in my books and add in the lack of elitepace abd I just have to drop him down..Sorry consensus I just do not project him to impaxt as big as the hype raises expectation for him. I will say he has good hockey hockey instincts .a fine solid top ten pick but I just cannot put him as high as #3.

WILL SMITH does everything well and can drive and generate lots of scoring chances for both himself and his wingers..I cannot see him kiwe than#3 overall..only issue is to add more pounds and strength...Now 6'0 173...get him to 185-190 and he will impact big time.. surefire big oints 1C or 2C with a 200ft game too...just our on the weight t to lanky frame to help him in the board battles ...

Zac Benson has so much ridiculous skill ...you are going to get a show and certain points generated for sure...the talent shines..

Will Scouching thinks Gulayev may be the best dman of this draft ..Electric speed...Rt. shot PND with a good def
ensivel game too...yes smallish dnan at 5'11 170 is at this age still might grow abd can add weight but if not you still get a dnan that can impact the attack into tgevi-zobe then direct the play once he enters...

Very intrigued by big Mathew Wood wgmgo as a freshman at Connecticut isxa piubtca game guy already 6'3 190 LW who can skate with speed and with high points at every prior level ..
I put himat #5 and the Russian dnan Gulayev at #6 overall then Carlsson at #7 ...

I have Will Smith's 2 wingers ;Ryan Leonard and Gabriel Perrault ar #8 and #11 respectively with another USNTDP u18, Center Oliver Moore at #9...
Andrew Cristal deserves to be top 10....I put him at#8 ...good overall 2 way player who generates most of the offense for Kelowna without much help ..
At #12 I have RW Colby Barlow ...can score goals with his shor and is physical ..He will need help to from a distributing center ...doubt he is dynamic enough to drive a line from the wing.

Finally at #13 is where I out Michkov...yes maybe elite shot ...but lots of issues with him besides the 3 more seasons after the draft before he can cone over .. size issue...1 way player can stay high abd cherry Pick...just concerns about overall game outside the o-zone and not going to create much for his line mates ...andxabout actually effectiveness at higher levels ...not having great impact at KHL level but to be fair hjs team Sochi is not a goid team...he has little help of talent around him...still I expected more production impact of he was "generational" like sone had hyped before this season. TOO MANY red flag issues to put him back into top ten let alone top 5 ...for me.

Rikey Heidt of Pribce Geoege (WHL) intrigues measures a very good skating 2 way C who also uses his skating to generate lots of good scoring chances...more skewed assists to goals ,you think he has fewer goals than he should may be his hands or shot may not be be upto the level of the rest of his talent. IF he finishes more of tge grade A chances he creates ,then you may be getting a steal in the mid -first ..
I have London Knights Right shot dman Oliver Bonk at #15...6'2 189 already ...he has both size projectability,good scoring both goals and assists for his age in the OHL and a calm poised efficiency in defending ...really like his potential
for a top pairing or 2nd pairing NHL dman.

I will comment on my putting Brayden Yager down at #18...consensus seemed to have him as a sure top 5-7 range prospect before this season started..But I guess more production was exoected from him this sesdon than has materialized...plus so many scouting reports have voncernsxabout his skating pace..while few have dropped him down to end of thecfirst round(e.Will Scouching) ,I feel he should drop to at least end of the middle of round 1..I justvdo not think he showed mich improvement this season over his level last season...perhaps some injuries muted his play this season...he has goodcwork ethic...but he should had more impact than he has this season based on his level of impact last season..so I think he is no longer top ten material and shoukdcdrop as I have now done with him .
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I like Mathew Wood but as others have mentioned I have some concerns with his skating, perhaps he can improve it but top 10 is too much of a risk in my opinion.

I also hope you are correct and Nate Danielson falls out of the top 20, if he does the Hawks should maneuver to get him. Danielson plays a solid, mature, two way game. If the Hawks could get Bedard/Fantilli and Danielson in the first round we could be looking at their top two centres for the next 10+ years.
 
I was still debating who woukd fill#20 on my top 20 ranking I posted above...Forgot about Nate Danielson...I thinkbhe rates as #20on my list now.Thanks for reminding me.

I do think that IF the Hawks get a firstcand 2 seconds via trades or 2 more firsts andc1 more secobd,he woukd package tgevhighest of our firsts remaining after our own early first plus a 2bd to move up to a mid-first pick if tgerexarecckuvs with no 2nd roubd picks who might move down from the mid-first to take a later first and get anitger 2bd for tjat.
 
Werll here we go again...trying for anotger smurf pmd ...Gavin Brinkley as suggested by a poster above forvourxTB pick in round one...

Sure...you drool of you get another Quinn highest pmd ...but thecthibgvwith Brinkley is that Bob Mckenzie in his mid-term ranking has the 5'9 160lb dman in thecearlyv49s range while Doberman has him much higher at #16...so wideswing on his projectsbkikty ceiling for the NHL level...Will Scouching who does work for Dobber,loves Brinkley and on a recent youtube
said a team getting him in the mid 2nd would very very haooy as he rates him a mid first to 29s value..

But obviously scouts are concerned about a snalkus but very talented dman gettibg pushed around at the pro level and thatc the rusk...IF hecwee so good as tobexa Quin Hughes ora Cake Mkar or Erik Karlsson elite small but transforming pmd impact type,he should be that a top ten level ouck...that he is not anywhere tgat high a pick raises risk on taking another very small dman too early for the risk...
Maybe if TB wins tge Cup and our TB pick goes from 26 to 32 ...maybe at 32 we take tgatcrisk...but there have got to be safer bets at mid 20s than the tiny Brindley.

However IF the Russian factor drops Gulayev down to our TB pick,Maybe get get a steal if we take tge Russian small pmd type who Scouchibg raves even more about than Brindley ...and who I think he feels is the best dman prosoect of this draft. HE is playing KHL level ...Electric speed for rushing out ofcd-zone too-zone but also for his size apparently not getting overpowered in the d-zone by bigger older KHL pros..

But the Russian factor of uncertainty as to how long before they /can come over may push him to a 26-32 range pick or to early 2nd round..

Anyway ...IF both Gulayev and Brindley still on the board for our TB pick,if we are going smaller pmd with the pick,Gulayev rates higher than Brindley on most if not all scouts lists.So if hexisxstikk tgere maybe we steal the best dman in the draft (per Scouching) ...But if we take a forward then with our own pick in tge 2nd maybe we take Brindley with that pick (33-38?)..
 
Do You Know Tge Way To San Jose?

I hope this dies not apply to tge Bedard Tank Sweeos fibal resukt...but anyway ...justcwant to say:

R.I.P. Burt Bacharach...
 
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Pez68 said:
There's a lot more to it than that. Putin is a spiteful, vindictive mother f***er. Who knows if he wants the best Russian prospect leaving to play in the United States. Who knows what Michkov's political position is. Who knows if he's for, or against Putin, and what situation that puts him in. Who knows if he even wants to come over here and play. Maybe he is a Putin lover, who hates the US, and wants to stay in Russia. Who knows if he has family that would need to get out, if he wants to leave, and if they would be safe.... And that's assuming you can even get him out of there with the current situation.

It's a hot f***ing mess and I wouldn't want any part of it, as a GM.
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You’re listing all of these as questions. I’d think it’s safe to say that NHL teams know the answers to most of them.

I wonder if there might be a liquor distributor in the US willing to showcase Russian vodka?
 
Listening to Mark Siedel on NHL and he has Carlsson over Fantilli. Thinks he has more O upside than Fantilli.
 
Pez68 said:
What a silly take.
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You don’t think teams know the answers to some/all of that already? You don’t think teams will clarify such prior to the draft?
I would also think there will be face to face interviews with any players being considered.

The silly take is thinking those questions wouldn’t be explored and known at draft time?

If you couldn’t tell, the liquor comment was humor.
 
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Putt Pirate said:
Listening to Mark Siedel on NHL and he has Carlsson over Fantilli. Thinks he has more O upside than Fantilli.
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Interesting... not even I think Carlsson has more offensive upside even though I like him more than Fantilli. Think he is better 2 way player overall and much smarter.
 
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clydesdale line said:
Interesting... not even I think Carlsson has more offensive upside even though I like him more than Fantilli. Think he is better 2 way player overall and much smarter.
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We will pick #2, draft Fantilli and spend the next decade watching an Adam Creighton clone.
If we’re lucky … Troy Murray.
While Michkov comes over in 3 years and looks like Patrick Kane.
 
Feb 10 up to date draft standings

1.Columbus
2.CHICAGO
3.Anaheim
4.Arizona
5.San Jose
6.Montreal
7.Vancouver
8.St.Louis
9.Philadelphia
10.Ottawa
11.Detroit
12.NY Islanders
13.Montreal(via FLA)
14.Nashville
15.Calgary
16.Buffalo

NYI with the Hovart deal have actually fallen back into top 12 so how’s that working out for yah? Blues just dumped Tarasenko look for them to climb.

Hawks will currently pick #2, #26(TB), #34, #58(TB), #66, #95(Dal) and #98
 
Northernhawk said:
Feb 10 up to date draft standings

1.Columbus
2.CHICAGO
3.Anaheim
4.Arizona
5.San Jose
6.Montreal
7.Vancouver
8.St.Louis
9.Philadelphia
10.Ottawa
11.Detroit
12.NY Islanders
13.Montreal(via FLA)
14.Nashville
15.Calgary
16.Buffalo

NYI with the Hovart deal have actually fallen back into top 12 so how’s that working out for yah? Blues just dumped Tarasenko look for them to climb.

Hawks will currently pick #2, #26(TB), #34, #58(TB), #66, #95(Dal) and #98
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Seven picks in the top 100, maybe more depending on any upcoming trade(s). Drafting a few long term prospects will be necessary. Can’t have all maturing at exactly the same time. Only so many can make the team each year. Also, some will be traded If the team improves and a vet or two is needed, though from my viewpoint only if absolutely warranted.

Next year the prospect ranking might well be top 2. So deep. Need the Seabrook, Keith, Bolland, Bickell types to hit again.
 
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pvr said:
Seven picks in the top 100, maybe more depending on any upcoming trade(s). Drafting a few long term prospects will be necessary. Can’t have all maturing at exactly the same time. Only so many can make the team each year. Also, some will be traded If the team improves and a vet or two is needed, though from my viewpoint only if absolutely warranted.

Next year the prospect ranking might well be top 2. So deep. Need the Seabrook, Keith, Bolland, Bickell types to hit again.
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Yup more darts for the dart board
 
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