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HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

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WeThreeKings said:
Shane Wright scratched tonight after 4 pts (1 goal) in 11 play-off games.

Surprised we aren't hearing more about that since the only reason we drafted Slaf is because he cooks or something.
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On a side note, I find the Wright/Michkov parallel at our pick, very weak. “Wright was the big name”. “It could also happen to Michkov”…

Most scouts preferred Slaf as BPA at the end. But some still liked Wright, and a fraction still liked the others. However, not a single scout, not one, picks anyone else than Michkov as BPA at 5OA. Zilch. Zero.

I could add that there was no perceived disastrous end of his pre-draft season for Michkov.
 
TheDogCerby said:
It's probably not fair to ask, as there's still a year, but.

Do you feel Reinbacher at 5 is better than any dman potentially available at 5-10 next year and inversely, do you feel a forward next year between 5-10 is better than a forward at 5 this year ?

Next year sounds like it's a dman heavy draft. Habs aren't going to be very good, so probably drafting 5-10 again.

So, it seems like a dman next year will be closer to Reinbacher than a forward next year would be to Smith/Michkov/Carlsson.
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This is an extremely weak draft for elite D prospects. I don't think any Dman in this draft is a top ten choice in the vast majority of drafts which is why I would be hesitant to take Reinbacher at 5 OA. Celebrini and Eiserman would both be right there with the Fantilli/Carlsson/Michkov/Smith/Dvorsky group imo and both are legitimate 1 OA prospects in most draft years. Kiviharju and Dickinson who look to be better than Reinbacher head a deep pool of high end D prospects that also includes Cole Hutson where there are possibilities of multiple kids taking huge strides and also surpassing Reinbacher's current level.

Undoubtedly next year is a far better chance to draft a superior dman to Reinbacher while also having two elite forwards would might rival the kids at the top of the 2023 draft other than Bedard. I suspect that Montreal will be drafting between 10-14 and it is far more likely for them to get a better/equivalent D prospect to Reinbacher than it would be to get a better/equivalent D prospect than what will be available to us at 5 OA this year.

Next year's draft is definitely LHD heavy so Reinbacher has the advantage of being a RHD but I am not overly excited about reaching to fill that hole at the expense of a superior talent. I think we are better off taking the top forward available and perhaps address RHD next draft or with our late 1st rounder/early 2nd rounder.

I will be disappointed if we select Reinbacher but I could eventually live with it as I do like him and their is a gaping hole at RD.
 
Estimated_Prophet said:
This is an extremely weak draft for elite D prospects. I don't think any Dman in this draft is a top ten choice in the vast majority of drafts which is why I would be hesitant to take Reinbacher at 5 OA. Celebrini and Eiserman would both be right there with the Fantilli/Carlsson/Michkov/Smith/Dvorsky group imo and both are legitimate 1 OA prospects in most draft years. Kiviharju and Dickinson who look to be better than Reinbacher head a deep pool of high end D prospects that also includes Cole Hutson where there are possibilities of multiple kids taking huge strides and also surpassing Reinbacher's current level.

Undoubtedly next year is a far better chance to draft a superior dman to Reinbacher while also having two elite forwards would might rival the kids at the top of the 2023 draft other than Bedard. I suspect that Montreal will be drafting between 10-14 and it is far more likely for them to get a better/equivalent D prospect to Reinbacher than it would be to get a better/equivalent D prospect than what will be available to us at 5 OA this year.

Next year's draft is definitely LHD heavy so Reinbacher has the advantage of being a RHD but I am not overly excited about reaching to fill that hole at the expense of a superior talent. I think we are better off taking the top forward available and perhaps address RHD next draft or with our late 1st rounder/early 2nd rounder.

I will be disappointed if we select Reinbacher but I could eventually live with it as I do like him and their is a gaping hole at RD.
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Levshunov

Dickinson
Mews

Hutson
Jiricek
Vaisainen
Kivi
Badinka
Reinbacher
Pelikka
 
TheDogCerby said:
It's probably not fair to ask, as there's still a year, but.

Do you feel Reinbacher at 5 is better than any dman potentially available at 5-10 next year and inversely, do you feel a forward next year between 5-10 is better than a forward at 5 this year ?

Next year sounds like it's a dman heavy draft. Habs aren't going to be very good, so probably drafting 5-10 again.

So, it seems like a dman next year will be closer to Reinbacher than a forward next year would be to Smith/Michkov/Carlsson.
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There should be at least some equivalent forwards to this year in 5-10 range next year. Macklin Celebrini & Cole Eiserman are expected to vy for #1 OA. Both look like studs, so far.

After that there's 2-3 RD that could go top 5, including Zayne Parekh & Artyom Levshunov, a Belarusian currently playing in USHL. Both are high octane offensive D. Parekh is on the smaller side.

Konsta Helenius is expected to be in that 5-10 range. He graduated to Liiga this past season, and was close to putting up Barkov like numbers in his D-1 year in Liiga, and out-produced Rantanen. After that another top Russian in center Ivan Demidov.

After that 3 WHL kids in Ryder Ritchie, Berkley Catton & Tanner Howe, and Q player Maxim Masse. All were pretty close to ppg this year on fairly weak teams. I don't have a lot of concerns about next year's top forwards, especially those slated for top 12. It's just not as deep next year.

As far as RD, there's no one next year that currently fits Reinbacher's profile. A lot of small offensive D, or some two-way guys, who are also on the smaller side. Lots of D, but majority are around Harris's size outside of Levshunov, Sam Dickinson, who's another LD, and Adam Jiricek.

So no I don't think there's currently anyone next year who brings what Reinbacher does.
 
SwiftyHab said:
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How new Red Wings prospect Axel Sandin Pellikka became one of the draft's biggest risers

Sandin Pellikka's draft year breakout has seen him emerge as the consensus No. 2 defense prospect in the 2023 NHL Draft.
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I wonder if we’ll have the same discussions next year about A. Sandy Pellican vs Reinbacher as we did this year with Nemec vs Jiricek where everyone had Nemec ahead pre-draft only to see Jiricek thrive in the AHL.
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Not "everybody". I had Cooley at #2, Jiricek at #3, Nemec at #4 and Slaf at #5. Just don't ask me who I had at #1, please.

Very different prospect than Jiricek, but I REALLY like ASP this year, but with our 2nd first rounder pick in the #29-32 range, he sadly won't be a Hab... Barring a trade, of course.
 
WeThreeKings said:
Shane Wright scratched tonight after 4 pts (1 goal) in 11 play-off games.

Surprised we aren't hearing more about that since the only reason we drafted Slaf is because he cooks or something.
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Is that a healthy scratch or has he been playing injured?
 
Michoulicious said:
If Hughes wants Reinbacher or Pellika, I want him to trade down (especially if Michkov is gone). At #5 you HAVE to pick one of the big 5 forwards.
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If we really want Reinbacher, I hope we trade down to 8 or 9 where odds are he'd still be available. I see no reasoning behind getting him at 5 and not gaining assets by trading down

If we can get 9 and 17 for 5, you just go for it and if Reinbacher isn't there whatever you pick whatever is left between Benson, Dvorsky or Leonard
 
Balthazar said:
Bad move. He won't get past AZ. He's the player they want at 6.
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I wouldn't bet on it

If anything I'd bet on them getting whoever is available between Reinbacher or SP at 12, both are huge reaches before 8 and just a case of drafting for need and if none are available trade down to 15 or 16 and get Willander of there's an offer on the table

Phoenix can get Leonard and Perreault, if I'm running their draft, that's goals honestly. That chemistry will be NHL ready 2, 3 years from now
 
Praying Smith goes ahead of us to CBJ/SJ. Michkov is the obvious pick if he’s there, he would bring superstar potential that we haven’t had in decades but can see these idiots pick Dvorsky/Reinbacher over him.

Realistic wishlist at 5:

Michkov
Dvorsky
Leonard
Sandin Pellikka
Reinbacher
 
MarkovsKnee said:
There should be at least some equivalent forwards to this year in 5-10 range next year. Macklin Celebrini & Cole Eiserman are expected to vy for #1 OA. Both look like studs, so far.

After that there's 2-3 RD that could go top 5, including Zayne Parekh & Artyom Levshunov, a Belarusian currently playing in USHL. Both are high octane offensive D. Parekh is on the smaller side.

Konsta Helenius is expected to be in that 5-10 range. He graduated to Liiga this past season, and was close to putting up Barkov like numbers in his D-1 year in Liiga, and out-produced Rantanen. After that another top Russian in center Ivan Demidov.

After that 3 WHL kids in Ryder Ritchie, Berkley Catton & Tanner Howe, and Q player Maxim Masse. All were pretty close to ppg this year on fairly weak teams. I don't have a lot of concerns about next year's top forwards, especially those slated for top 12. It's just not as deep next year.

As far as RD, there's no one next year that currently fits Reinbacher's profile. A lot of small offensive D, or some two-way guys, who are also on the smaller side. Lots of D, but majority are around Harris's size outside of Levshunov, Sam Dickinson, who's another LD, and Adam Jiricek.

So no I don't think there's currently anyone next year who brings what Reinbacher does.
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Alright then. Assuming there's Smith left and not Michkov, I'd be fine if the Habs take Reinbacher over Smith
 
NBA Youngboy said:
Praying Smith goes ahead of us to CBJ/SJ. Michkov is the obvious pick if he’s there, he would bring superstar potential that we haven’t had in decades but can see these idiots pick Dvorsky/Reinbacher over him.

Realistic wishlist at 5:

Michkov
Dvorsky
Leonard
Sandin Pellikka
Reinbacher
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I don’t get Sandin Pellika as a player. He doesn’t fit the mold of a classic Top-2 D. A small puck moving defenseman. Good skater. Not strong, not mean. To me, his offence needs to be off-the-charts to compensate and deserve a top 1st round pick and it’s not. Idk
 
SuzukiSZN said:
Would be a big mistake.

Which i highly, highly doubt they would do
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Maybe

The thing is this team needs Reinbacher and Michkov/Smith.

If the Habs had the 5th, 6th and 7th pick and drafted Smith, Michkov and Reinbacher, the team would be in a really good position, but still would need those 3 to develop well along with the potential depth guys the Habs have.

They're in, not a bad spot, but a weak, or less than ideal position.

Habs are damned if they do, damned if they don't
 
JT3 said:
That's the thing, every year there's a consensus top whatever within the scouting services and the internet, and every year teams come in and go off the board and throw every list out of wack. Zadina is one that always comes to mind, he was the consensus 3rd pick and everybody was losing their minds that we might not pick him.
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In the Wings board a poster mentionned that Detroit had Stuzle at #1 before Laff.

Can’t confirm if it’s true (said it leaked post draft) but had they won the lottery and made that choice they would like genius today vs “galaxy brain morans” on draft day.
 
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Goldenhands said:
Arizona likely pick Reinbacher at 6, Habs grab him at 5 if he is their guy.
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I don't care about Reinbacher. If you don't want to pick one of the big 5 at #5, just trade down and pick whoever. Reinbacher is not some kind of one of a kind kind of D prospect you pick top 5 in such a draft.

ASP, Dvorsky, Benson and Leonard are all in the same tier/better talent-wise. Can't speak about character though.
NBA Youngboy said:
Praying Smith goes ahead of us to CBJ/SJ. Michkov is the obvious pick if he’s there, he would bring superstar potential that we haven’t had in decades but can see these idiots pick Dvorsky/Reinbacher over him.

Realistic wishlist at 5:

Michkov
Dvorsky
Leonard
Sandin Pellikka
Reinbacher
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My list looks similar:

Michkov
Smith
ASP
Leonard
Dvorsky
Reinbacher
Benson

... for me.
 
SuzukiSZN said:
Would be a big mistake.

Which i highly, highly doubt they would do
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This is where Hugues having coached Smith may be the tie-breaker if he doesn’t think he has the mindset to thrive in the playoffs.
 
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