HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

[McGees]

My list looks similar:

Michkov
Smith
ASP
Leonard
Dvorsky
Reinbacher
Benson

... for me.

Damn - Bedard outside your top 7

 

[Michoulicious]

I don’t get Sandin Pellika as a player. He doesn’t fit the mold of a classic Top-2 D. A small puck moving defenseman. Good skater. Not strong, not mean. To me, his offence needs to be off-the-charts to compensate and deserve a top 1st round pick and it’s not. Idk

Adam Fox and Cale Makar are pretty good "top pair" Ds, even if they are not strong nor mean.

ASP ultimate upside is that. Unlikely, but his skating, vision and hands are off the charts. In his draft year, plenty of people questioned if Makar would translate to the NHL as well.

Of course he'll not be the guy to break a Tom Wilson cycle, but there is certainly a road in which he becomes a premier NHL D.

I think ASP is really underrated on these boards and on the "public lists". Craig Button is the only analyst that has him higher than me on his list.

I'm more excited by ASP than Reinbacher. I realize the bust factor is higher. Ceiling is just really exciting.

Damn - Bedard outside your top 7

Yeah don't need had punk, nor Fantilli or Carlsson, they are really bad.

 

[Schooner Guy]

On a side note, I find the Wright/Michkov parallel at our pick, very weak. “Wright was the big name”. “It could also happen to Michkov”…

Most scouts preferred Slaf as BPA at the end. But some still liked Wright, and a fraction still liked the others. However, not a single scout, not one, picks anyone else than Michkov as BPA at 5OA. Zilch. Zero.

I could add that there was no perceived disastrous end of his pre-draft season for Michkov.

We'll see. Michkov has steadily dropped on Bobby Mac's list and is now #5. Up to now, most teams are compiling data but don't have firm lists in place. A lot can happen after the Combine, team scout meetings etc.

 

[BeliveauFan4ever]

Arizona likely pick Reinbacher at 6, Habs grab him at 5 if he is their guy.

If ‘Zona wants him bad enough, they can peddle 6 and 12 to Montreal to ensure they get him.

 

[Goldenhands]

I don't care about Reinbacher. If you don't want to pick one of the big 5 at #5, just trade down and pick whoever. Reinbacher is not some kind of one of a kind kind of D prospect you pick top 5 in such a draft.

ASP, Dvorsky, Benson and Leonard are all in the same tier/better talent-wise. Can't speak about character though.

My list looks similar:

Michkov
Smith
ASP
Leonard
Dvorsky
Reinbacher
Benson

... for me.

ASP over Reinbacher wont happen, for me Reinbacher is part of that big 5.

They were saying the same about Seider, not sexy, trade down blah blah, Yzerman had the balls to pick him high and looks like a genius right now.

 

[SlafySZN]

This is where Hugues having coached Smith may be the tie-breaker if he doesn’t think he has the mindset to thrive in the playoffs.

Yeah, he knows him very well, as a hockey player and personally so it helps the process.

From what we know the habs love him so i guess the infos and their evaluations of his game are good and positive.

 

[Goldenhands]

If ‘Zona wants him bad enough, they can peddle 6 and 12 to Montreal to ensure they get him.

They would have to want him really bad hehe. Thats why I was so stressed that Arizona pass us in the standing, I knew Reinbacher was their target, now we are in a position of force, lets see how bad they want him... Personally I would be fine with either Reinbacher or Dvorsky.

 

[Michoulicious]

ASP over Reinbacher wont happen, for me Reinbacher is part of that big 5.

They were saying the same about Seider, not sexy, trade down blah blah, Yzerman had the balls to pick him high and looks like a genius right now.

For one Seider, there are many other stories of Ds that were overdrafted in the top 10... Griffin Reinhart, Thomas Hickey, Haydn Fleury, among others.

I just don't see a special talent in Reinbacher. Maybe I'm wrong and he's the next Josi.

... but there is no way I'm picking him over a guy like Michkov.

 

[SOLR]

Adam Fox and Cale Makar are pretty good "top pair" Ds, even if they are not strong nor mean.

ASP ultimate upside is that. Unlikely, but his skating, vision and hands are off the charts. In his draft year, plenty of people questioned if Makar would translate to the NHL as well.

Of course he'll not be the guy to break a Tom Wilson cycle, but there is certainly a road in which he becomes a premier NHL D.

I think ASP is really underrated on these boards and on the "public lists". Craig Button is the only analyst that has him higher than me on his list.

I'm more excited by ASP than Reinbacher. I realize the bust factor is higher. Ceiling is just really exciting.


Yeah don't need had punk, nor Fantilli or Carlsson, they are really bad.

ASP doesn't have the IQ of Fox and Makar

 

[Michoulicious]

ASP doesn't have the IQ of Fox and Makar

I think he has a pretty awesome vision. Really creative, excellent passer. His skating and his hands are really something however, definitely his greatest attributes.

 

[Garnet76]

Ive watched a couple games of Reinbacher this year. I'm no scout but I don't see a

 

[Goldenhands]

For one Seider, there are many other stories of Ds that were overdrafted in the top 10... Griffin Reinhart, Thomas Hickey, Haydn Fleury, among others.

I just don't see a special talent in Reinbacher. Maybe I'm wrong and he's the next Josi.

... but there is no way I'm picking him over a guy like Michkov.

There is a good chance Michkov is a no go for the Habs. Everyone agree that he would be the pick without the risk factor. After Michkov I have 2 names, Reinbacher and Dvorsky.

 

[Garnet76]

ASP had a strong U-18 in my opinion. I think at best you're getting a #2 dman who can run a PP. More likely a 3-4 dman with a chance of a bust factor.

Rienbacher- I havent seen any elite talents in his game but does a lot of things well. Most likely a #3 or #4 dman with a low bust factor. He's big and RH so he will be draft higher than he should. I dont see Seider in him at all. Seider is a beast.
I dont think either dman should be in the discussion at 5. You can get a player with an elite skill at 5 and I don't see it in either defenseman above.

 

[Habricot]

For one Seider, there are many other stories of Ds that were overdrafted in the top 10... Griffin Reinhart, Thomas Hickey, Haydn Fleury, among others.

I just don't see a special talent in Reinbacher. Maybe I'm wrong and he's the next Josi.

... but there is no way I'm picking him over a guy like Michkov.

This team (at least while Timmins was there) had a fair bit of success in drafting good Dmen. I trust them if they believe in Reinbacker (assuming it was not all from Timmins).

 

[Hins77]

I can’t believe habs could select Rienbacher over Michkov. I mean. I really like the kid ceilling. But it’s like if you grab Pulock over Patrick Kane or Panarin to build on an expansion team. This is a no-sense to me. Even if I value Pulock as a really good Dman

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I can’t believe habs could select Rienbacher over Michkov. I mean. I really like the kid ceilling. But it’s like if you grab Pulock over Patrick Kane or Panarin to build on an expansion team. This is a no-sense to me. Even if I value Pulock as a really good Dman

Sounds like Reinbacher's ceiling is better than Pulock's.

Sounds like hrs supposed to be what Ekblad was supposed to be.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

I could see Zona going D at 6 since they could ensure they get the top one on their board and let a forward fall into their laps at 12 where they could get one of Leonard/Benson/Wood/Sale.

The ultimate argument against drafting Reinbacher at 5:

You could trade the 5th pick and get an already established version of Reinbacher quite easily.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I can’t believe habs could select Rienbacher over Michkov. I mean. I really like the kid ceilling. But it’s like if you grab Pulock over Patrick Kane or Panarin to build on an expansion team. This is a no-sense to me. Even if I value Pulock as a really good Dman

I can't see Montreal doing that. It sounds like San Jose will select Michkov anyway.

People really need to stop agonizing over this. Michkov is part of the big 4. We're #5.

We missed getting into the Franchise player slot - per usual.

That's means, it's Smith, Leonard or Reinbacher for #5.

 

[Blame the referee]

It really need to stop with Reinbacher at 5.

I’m a fan of this team since 35 years and finding defenseman and goalie is what we do. We always find good and reliable D. Just look à Matheson this year. We will be good on the defensive side.

What this team need is a true superstar talent up front.

And this year, we have the chance to draft one. Don’t f*** this up.

Pick our franchise forward for the next 15 years.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I can't see Montreal doing that. It sounds like San Jose will select Michkov anyway.

People really need to stop agonizing over this. Michkov is part of the big 4. We're #5.

We missed getting into the Franchise player slot - per usual.

That's means, it's Smith, Leonard or Reinbacher for #5.

f***ing nightmare

if this is so, I'm probably done

I'm not living through another 10 years of 12th-17th in the league suckage with no offensive superstar on the team

I'm not asking for the moon, only a 2008 Kovalev level player, to make the experience transcendental

 

[HabzSauce]

I dont see us passing on michkov if he's there at #5 UNLESS they have good reason not to due to whatever Intel they have.

It seems to me Molson really wants the Habs to win. And he also seems to understand that it will take time to do so.

Even Hugo has mentioned building a dynasty so it sounds like that is the plan with this organization. Take the time to lay the foundation and then reap the rewards years later. Very promising to see.

If risk is low or 50/50, I think michkov is a Hab. If they pass on him then risk must be more serious than we think.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Cups are useless if the experience is not religious in nature.

Who cares about those cups in the late-1960s? 4 cups in 5 years. Nobody cares. Even Jean Béliveau said people don't talk to him about those cups as much as the 1950's dynasty.

Why?

Because it lacked the deeper religious vibe, the kind that the 1950's and 1970's dynasties provided. Because of the archetypal lineups, and Rocket Richard / Guy Lafleur electrifying presence.

We all know Béliveau and Harvey probably tilted the ice in our favor more than #9 and #10, in a purely calculating way. But MR and GL brought the fairy tale magic.

Kovalev did this to some extent in 2008 imo. He was really magic that year, in a way that nobody since Lafleur was.

Yes, I claim it: Victory isn't the ultimate goal. Religiosity and magic are.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

f***ing nightmare

if this is so, I'm probably done

I'm not living through another 10 years of 12th-17th in the league suckage with no offensive superstar on the team

I'm not asking for the moon, only a 2008 Kovalev level player, to make the experience transcendental

Even if we take Smith, we're not getting anything like that next year. He's 2 years away. No one we pick at #5 is stepping in next year. In fact, I imagine only Bedard and Fantilli are in NHL next season. I expect Carlsson to go back to SHL for a year, and obviously Michkov is in KHL.

However, if Caufield plays a full season I do think he can put up 40g, 45a, and be in that 85 pt range next year. Maybe even 45g, 45a.

Even Suzuki is not far off considering he went through a pretty bad mid-season slump, and played with guys who weren't exactly skillful once Caufield went down.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Even if we take Smith, we're not getting anything like that next year. He's 2 years away. No one we pick at #5 is stepping in next year. In fact, I imagine only Bedard and Fantilli are in NHL next season. I expect Carlsson to go back to SHL for a year, and obviously Michkov is in KHL.

However, if Caufield plays a full season I do think he can put up 40g, 45a, and be in that 85 pt range next year. Maybe even 45g, 45a.

Even Suzuki is not far off considering he went through a pretty bad mid-season slump, and played with guys who weren't exactly skillful once Caufield went down.

Caufield has some potential to become a mystic player, so I wouldn't trade him for anyone who doesn't have this too.

Michkov is the guy.

If we lose out on him, what a waste. And for f***ing what? For a few more victories because "you can't lose in Montreal" (despite having done exactly that for the past 30 years), or because "you can't create a losing culture" (as if a couple more defeats would have changed anything culturally speaking)?

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

I can't see Montreal doing that. It sounds like San Jose will select Michkov anyway.

People really need to stop agonizing over this. Michkov is part of the big 4. We're #5.

We missed getting into the Franchise player slot - per usual.

That's means, it's Smith, Leonard or Reinbacher for #5.

Per usual? The Galchenyuk draft we should have drafted Reilly or Forsberg. KK draft we should have taken Tkachuk. We’ve had the opportunity to take the top guy from each of those drafts we just took the wrong guy.

Also per Bobby Macs list, Smith is part of that top group.

Lastly you forgot to include Dvorsky lol