HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

[Mrb1p]

He’s the consensus top D in the draft. He put up great numbers in a men’s league, has solid traits across the board and is a RD. The logic is understandable. I just think he’s more of a mid pair guy than a 1D and that’s not what you take 5th overall in an excellent draft.

He’s an 8-12 range guy if you need a RD. People love to hockeydb scout and look at his numbers, but as the scouts said, a lot of those points were junk second assists. If he didn’t have those numbers would anyone want him at 5? No.

Fake news.

He has 15 primary points on the year and 7 secondary assists. His 15 primary points would still rank him 1st for draft years Ds and 3rd overall behind Matthews and Malgin for D year prospects.

 

[Mrb1p]

Honestly, Reinbacher at 5 and Cristall at 29. I’d be so down for thathat

amen

And how about Colorado? or Tampa? Why are you hand-picking the only team that hasn't had a successful playoffs where as most teams that win cups have really good offense.

And even if you nitpick the Leafs. If you watched them play... except for Holl, it wasn't the defense that made them lose. They just weren't able to score ime.

Colorado and Tampa literallt had the best D and best D squad in the league when they won.

We need offence ffs.

We need everything, including offense form the back end.

There is an argument going around that the key is low risk play in your end, sort of like what Therrien was pushing, weirdly. D who don’t necessarily pass well but get the puck out. Then guys who can forecheck and win the puck.

The habs don’t need another mid-pairing D. If they take Reinbacher he better be a star.

Reinbacher is not a low risk player.

Jiricek was drafted 6OA in a bad draft. All the attributes of a Top-2 were there visible in him before the draft. 6’3. A litteral canon from the point. An offensive monster that would go end to end. Very strong and very physical. Would deck guys left and right. Right handed. Total no-brainer. Goes 6OA. He wasn’t even worthy of a 5OA in 2022

Now we are going for a D like Reinbacher that has Jiricek’s qualities to a lesser degree. It’s a historical draft with high-profile forwards. And we draft this guy at 5. Maybe I’m missing something but what quality does he have over what Jiricek had already shown over and over again before the 2022 draft? We would draft this guy at 5 over a Forward that would have gone #1 in 2022.

Jiricek shouldve went 1st or 2nd, and hes a worse passer and skater than Reinbacher.

I had Seider 5th if I recall, loved him.

Reinbacher is not Seider though. The tools aren’t on that level. Seider was a unicorn, guys that size (6’4 bigger than Reinbacher) shouldn’t have that level of agility, puck handling, and playmaking. Reinbacher doesn’t have those skills at that level.

I’ve said it before, but Reinbacher is a Guhle type- maybe even not quite that good though right handed. Very good prospect, just not a guy you take at 5 in a draft this good.

No you didnt have him 5th get out of here.

Agree, I just don't understand people who don't see the upside.

Its people that dojt watch games, as simple as that. You have to be completely insane to hold the position that theres no upside.

These f***ing scouts should be fired and I almost want a refund from my athletic subscription. Worst 5 bucks I ever wasted.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

amen


Colorado and Tampa literallt had the best D and best D squad in the league when they won.

We need everything, including offense form the back end.

Reinbacher is not a low risk player.

Jiricek shouldve went 1st or 2nd, and hes a worse passer and skater than Reinbacher.

No you didnt have him 5th get out of here.

Its people that dojt watch games, as simple as that. You have to be completely insane to hold the position that theres no upside.

These f***ing scouts should be fired and I almost want a refund from my athletic subscription. Worst 5 bucks I ever wasted.

Made me look, but I had him 6th and honestly you were the MF that pushed Turcotte so much that I put him over him. Listening to you was a Big Mistake!

 

[Goldenhands]

Yeah… we don’t need points producers here, the habs are different.

Its yr 2 of the rebuild, we will have another 2 yrs to draft another top 6 + the Calgary pick we got in the Monahan deal could be pretty high.

Our young foward core is also pretty decent with Dach Suzuki Caufield Slaf. Heineman could become a top 6 and we have other foward propects with some upside.

 

[SlafySZN]

Its yr 2 of the rebuild, we will have another 2 yrs to draft another top 6 + the Calgary pick we got in the Monahan deal could be pretty high.

Our young foward core is also pretty decent with Dach Suzuki Caufield Slaf. Heineman could become a top 6 and we have other foward propects with some upside.

I understand.

I just think we have a chance at a forward prospect that has much more upside than the ones we already have.

 

[26Mats]

Its yr 2 of the rebuild, we will have another 2 yrs to draft another top 6 + the Calgary pick we got in the Monahan deal could be pretty high.

Our young foward core is also pretty decent with Dach Suzuki Caufield Slaf. Heineman could become a top 6 and we have other foward propects with some upside.

But then we have to wait 5 to 7 more years for that draft pick to reach their prime.

This pick is big, as would getting Dubois.

 

[ReHabs]

Well, maybe you have....

Years of seeing Desharnais, Plekanec, and Danault as our 1C left deep scars on me.

Its yr 2 of the rebuild, we will have another 2 yrs to draft another top 6 + the Calgary pick we got in the Monahan deal could be pretty high.

Our young foward core is also pretty decent with Dach Suzuki Caufield Slaf. Heineman could become a top 6 and we have other foward propects with some upside.

If we tank for another six years we can get six more top6 players. It’s incredible how the NHL hasn’t closed this loophole. We must profit.

 

[NotProkofievian]

I caught the last couple games of Winnipeg vs Seattle. Benson was basically been held to the outside in both games. He has a good outside game as well, but like I said he looks a lot like Berggren right now. The only thing keeping Berggren back is his inability to gain the inside. Benson is better in that regard, but not so good that he can do it regularly in the WHL. Most of the times he gets to the inside it's off the rush.

I think the ranking for him are more or less fair, in that 8-12 range.

 

[Mrb1p]

I caught the last couple games of Winnipeg vs Seattle. Benson was basically been held to the outside in both games. He has a good outside game as well, but like I said he looks a lot like Berggren right now. The only thing keeping Berggren back is his inability to gain the inside. Benson is better in that regard, but not so good that he can do it regularly in the WHL. Most of the times he gets to the inside it's off the rush.

I think the ranking for him are more or less fair, in that 8-12 range.

He hasnt looked impressive since coming back from his injury, timing, conditionning, injury or a combination of those are clearly hampering him.

Ive never seem him as having trouble being effective inside, hes actually the most dangerous there IMO. In fact, in all my viewings, i dont recall him getting any primary points from the outside.

To note though that the Seattle D is beeg, crazy beeg. Theyve kept everyone to the outside, aside from Stankoven.

 

[NotProkofievian]

He hasnt looked impressive since coming back from his injury, timing, conditionning, injury or a combination of those are clearly hampering him.

Ive never seem him as having trouble being effective inside, hes actually the most dangerous there IMO. In fact, in all my viewings, i dont recall him getting any primary points from the outside.

For example his assist in the game on Tuesday. Most of the chances he created these games looked like that. Dangerous passes from the outside to the inside.

 

[Jack Skellington]

amen


Colorado and Tampa literallt had the best D and best D squad in the league when they won.

We need everything, including offense form the back end.

Reinbacher is not a low risk player.

Jiricek shouldve went 1st or 2nd, and hes a worse passer and skater than Reinbacher.

No you didnt have him 5th get out of here.

Its people that dojt watch games, as simple as that. You have to be completely insane to hold the position that theres no upside.

These f***ing scouts should be fired and I almost want a refund from my athletic subscription. Worst 5 bucks I ever wasted.

Maybe I'm confusing you with someone but I thought you weren't very high on Jiricek and especially his skating

 

[MrNasty]

We all know who the top 5 consensus players are. The five flashy forwards with ‘superstar’ PPG potential.
But I guarantee they will not be the best 5 players to come from this draft.
Because this happens every year where a cluster of can’t miss guys are ranked at the top and half of them never live up to those expectations.
This is why I love the draft so much. It is so unpredictable.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Honestly, Reinbacher at 5 and Cristall at 29. I’d be so down for that!

 

[Vachon23]

We all know who the top 5 consensus players are. The five flashy forwards with ‘superstar’ PPG potential.

It’s a top 4

Smith is not in the same category of the 4 others

 

[WeThreeKings]

It’s a top 4

Smith is not in the same category of the 4 others

I have my tiers color coded

So there's a top 1
2-4
Smith alone in 5.
Then the Reinbacher-Dvorsky cluster which are all very close.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

I have my tiers color coded

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So there's a top 1
2-4
Smith alone in 5.
Then the Reinbacher-Dvorsky cluster which are all very close.

Exactly how I have them grouped right now too.

 

[ReHabs]

It would be typical Habs to go Big Brain and draft the only d-man in the projected top10. Gotta be the smartest guys in the room.

I think I see the value in Reinbacher, some of you are much better scouts than I could ever be... but I don't like it from a top-down bird's eye view angle. Not at all. It doesn't sit right.

 

[Vachon23]

I have my tiers color coded

View attachment 709800

So there's a top 1
2-4
Smith alone in 5.
Then the Reinbacher-Dvorsky cluster which are all very close.

I have Smith/Benson/Reinbacher in the same tier but I understand yours and would‘t complain

 

[Jaynki]

Jiricek was drafted 6OA in a bad draft. All the attributes of a Top-2 were there visible in him before the draft. 6’3. A litteral canon from the point. An offensive monster that would go end to end. Very strong and very physical. Would deck guys left and right. Right handed. Total no-brainer. Goes 6OA. He wasn’t even worthy of a 5OA in 2022

Now we are going for a D like Reinbacher that has Jiricek’s qualities to a lesser degree. It’s a historical draft with high-profile forwards. And we draft this guy at 5. Maybe I’m missing something but what quality does he have over what Jiricek had already shown over and over again before the 2022 draft? We would draft this guy at 5 over a Forward that would have gone #1 in 2022.

Respectfully, i think you are overrating the guys after Bedard, but especially the guys after the big 4.

Reinbacher is also right up there with Nemec and Jiricek, in my humble opinion.

 

[Michoulicious]

I have my tiers color coded

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So there's a top 1
2-4
Smith alone in 5.
Then the Reinbacher-Dvorsky cluster which are all very close.

Missing some yellow on Michkov.

 

[Jaynki]

We all know who the top 5 consensus players are. The five flashy forwards with ‘superstar’ PPG potential.
But I guarantee they will not be the best 5 players to come from this draft.
Because this happens every year where a cluster of can’t miss guys are ranked at the top and half of them never live up to those expectations.
This is why I love the draft so much. It is so unpredictable.

This.

We will make a big deal out of the player we pick, especially if he is not one of our favorite. But in reality, players picked 6-10 will outperform players picked 2-5 and etc.

Lets just hope we nail our pick. We may pick Dvorsky and everyone will be mad but maybe in three years he is the best center of the draft.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

I have Smith/Benson/Reinbacher in the same tier but I understand yours and would‘t complain

Smith just has that extra touch of upside, but I think I know what you mean. Even though he has that touch of upside, I would concede and agree he has more bust potential than the other two.

 

[schwang26]

Its yr 2 of the rebuild, we will have another 2 yrs to draft another top 6 + the Calgary pick we got in the Monahan deal could be pretty high.

Our young foward core is also pretty decent with Dach Suzuki Caufield Slaf. Heineman could become a top 6 and we have other foward propects with some upside.

If they stay healthy, I'd be shocked if they draft top 6 next year. They aren't a playoff team, but bottom 6? Nope

 

[Michoulicious]

If they stay healthy, I'd be shocked if they draft top 6 next year. They aren't a playoff team, but bottom 6? Nope

We have Allen/Montembeault. In itself it basically guarentees bottom 10 finish.

 

[KevSkillz4]

If they draft Reinbacher at 5, they better do to acquire Dubois on draft day.