HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

[MarkovsKnee]

A really good video on Ryan Leonard by Mitch Brown, who compiles his own tracking data through watching the freaking games of prospects. He's a really under-rated analyst.

To all those who don't like the "skill-less" Leonard:

 

[Saxon]

I will believe it when it will happen. I’m not listing to any of those rumours

But If it’s true offer

5th + Josh Anderson vs 2nd OA

I can’t imagine it either

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Anaheim board seems to think that there is "no chance" that this happens. They want Carlsson or Fantilli. They don't want another small player (similar to us actually).

 

[BergevinBurner]

A really good video on Ryan Leonard by Mitch Brown, who compiles his own tracking data through watching the freaking games of prospects. He's a really under-rated analyst.

To all those who don't like the "skill-less" Leonard:

They're doing a live stream now too and there was a question about Benson vs Leonard and they both said that Benson is more skilled then Leonard in most ways, but Mitch said he thinks Leonard would be a perfect fit for Montreal. He thinks he'll thrive in the east/west style that St.Louis is implementing and that he could be the guy to win pucks off the board for our skill guys(Caufield/Suzuki).

 

[Whitesnake]

What abilities? He doesnt flash dynamic playmaking. He doesnt flash shooting skills beyond peewee level, he doesnt have a mind to activate and move up the zone, his first pass is okay but nothing special.

He doesnt have an insane wrister, where have you seen him rip a puck? He cant.

Hes 48th on my list. Hes a project all-right. But if you think hes gonna develop an offensive game out of thin air you are mistaken. You pick him because of his elite defensive game and size and you hope he either adds grit or offense to his game, he's literally the same pick as Tinordi. I cant believe people are pushing for him so high.

You cant watch Reinbacher and Simashev and believe these two guys are similar, it is complete insanity.

Thank god NOWHERE did I say that those 2 guys were similar. I haven't finished my top 30. But I have Reinbacher top 10. While I'm aiming to have Simachev in the 20-30 spot. It's not like this year is filled with top end talent either.

Yet, you are talking about people comparing Reinbacher and him as being insanity yet compare him to slow-footed, no vision, no edgework, no puck control, no hands Tinordi? Also, you talk as if I'm the only one that has him in the 1st round...

As far as his wristers, I've seen him during games. But more easily for you, it's in this vid especially the one around 2.42.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

They're doing a live stream now too and there was a question about Benson vs Leonard and they both said that Benson is more skilled then Leonard in most ways, but Mitch said he thinks Leonard would be a perfect fit for Montreal. He thinks he'll thrive in the east/west style that St.Louis is implementing and that he could be the guy to win pucks off the board for our skill guys(Caufield/Suzuki).

In a weird way, Benson's strengths are Leonard's areas of improvement and vice versa. Benson is the better playmaker, and passer, but Leonard has a far better shot and is a much better skater. Two areas that Benson needs work on.

Both are outstanding defensive players who compete hard for every inch of ice.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

In a weird way, Benson's strengths are Leonard's areas of improvement and vice versa. Benson is the better playmaker, and passer, but Leonard has a far better shot and is a much better skater. Two areas that Benson needs work on.

Both are outstanding defensive players who compete hard for every inch of ice.

In a weird way both are very safe top 6 winger but for some reasons a lot of people here feel Leonard has no upside while Benson is the next superstar I am so confused.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

In a weird way both are very safe top 6 winger but for some reasons a lot of people here feel Leonard has no upside while Benson is the next superstar I am so confused.

Yeah, makes no sense. I'm really positive that if we don't draft Leonard, Arizona will, and he and Cooley will have some fun times together in the desert, or Salt Lake City, or wherever. He's going to be great for someone.

Imo, Leonard & Benson are the 2 sure top 6 players in top 10 outside of the FabFour. I have some doubts over Dvorsky, Danielson & Moore that they won't just settle into being middle 6 tweeners.

I like Perreault, but not at #5. He was perfect when we had #14 for that short while. Thanks Pens, you chokers! That was my dream at one point: Leonard & Perreault. Oh well .....

 

[Doublechin]

I will believe it when it will happen. I’m not listing to any of those rumours

But If it’s true offer

5th + Josh Anderson vs 2nd OA

This ain't even getting us the 4th pick, let alone 2

Think more in the lines of 5, 31, Owen Beck and next year top 8 protected 1st rounder

 

[jaffy27]

This ain't even getting us the 4th pick, let alone 2

Think more in the lines of 5, 31, Owen Beck and next year top 8 protected 1st rounder

No thanks….no guarantee that 4th overall player will outproduce pick #5

I’d give but never that much.

San Jose can go ahead and select Smith and I’ll take my chances with Michkov or Leonard and keep Beck and 31st and next years pick….hell, I’ll send the last 3 pieces to Winnipeg for PLD.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

This ain't even getting us the 4th pick, let alone 2

Think more in the lines of 5, 31, Owen Beck and next year top 8 protected 1st rounder

I’ve said 5, 31, and Guhle for 2nd pick (Adam Fantilli). I’d think long and hard about it. Love Guhle, but Fantilli is a stud who will step in Day 1 and compete for the Calder. With Matheson, Jackeye, Harris and soon to be Hutson, we’re in pretty good shape at LD.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Maybe the Canadiens will pick Ryan Leonard?

 

[jaffy27]

I’ve said 5, 31, and Guhle for 2nd pick (Adam Fantilli). I’d think long and hard about it. Love Guhle, but Fantilli is a stud who will step in Day 1 and compete for the Calder. With Matheson, Jackeye, Harris and soon to be Hutson, we’re in pretty good shape at LD.

Guhle gonna be a stud D for us for the next 12yrs….no thanks…..if it’s Mailloux or Barron….now you have my attention

I’d still be hesitant though but on the surface that looks mighty delicious

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Guhle gonna be a stud D for us for the next 12yrs….no thanks…..if it’s Mailloux or Barron….now you have my attention

I’d still be hesitant though but on the surface that looks mighty delicious

Think it would have to be Guhle to get it done. Remember the other team has to accept it lol

 

[Doublechin]

Think it would have to be Guhle to get it done. Remember the other team has to accept it lol

Yea

But I'm not doing it.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

I’ve said 5, 31, and Guhle for 2nd pick (Adam Fantilli). I’d think long and hard about it. Love Guhle, but Fantilli is a stud who will step in Day 1 and compete for the Calder. With Matheson, Jackeye, Harris and soon to be Hutson, we’re in pretty good shape at LD.

Na I'd rather have a top pairing D, a potential first liner and a potential 2nd pair D/2nd liner than Fantilli

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Really focusing in on nailing down the top of this draft. To me the top 3 players in this draft are Bedard at 1 (duh) and then Fantilli and Michkov as the obvious next two. After that, there’s a tier down that consists of 5 names. 3 centres in Carlsson, Dvorsky, Smith, followed by two wingers in Leonard and Benson. After those 8 you’ve got a hot mess of 10 guys including the top Dmen but don’t think we should be considering any of those names.

Assuming Michkov is off the board for Russian factor reasons and Carlsson is gone as well (as the clear top guy in that 2nd tier), my guy remains Dvorsky. But if we land PLD, and I think we will, I’ll be plenty content with either Leonard or Benson. Smith I think is Hughes target and I’d be happy with him as well, but he seems likely to be gone too.

So basically my top 8 is:

1. Bedard
2. Fantilli
3. Michkov

4. Carlsson
5. Dvorsky
6. Smith
7. Leonard
8. Benson

Final!

 

[Jack Skellington]

Na I'd rather have a top pairing D, a potential first liner and a potential 2nd pair D/2nd liner than Fantilli

Seriously. This is insanity. I know certain people are low on Slaf but I’ve seen our 5th ovr + Slaf + 31 to move up 3 slots. Like wtf was the entirety of last season for?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

This ain't even getting us the 4th pick, let alone 2

Think more in the lines of 5, 31, Owen Beck and next year top 8 protected 1st rounder

Complete exageration. No team is getting that for a 3 ranks swap. Habs had to pony-up an unproven and green Markov and Theodore to get the 1st for Kovalchuk, which they didn't do. That's pretty much 5th + Beck.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Complete exageration. No team is getting that for a 3 ranks swap. Habs had to pony-up an unproven and green Markov and Theodore to get the 1st for Kovalchuk, which they didn't do. That's pretty much 5th + Beck.

Would you give up Fantilli for 5th and Beck? No.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

It's interesting that a D has gone top 5 in every year since 2004. Will this year be the year to break the streak?

 

[McGees]

I will believe it when it will happen. I’m not listing to any of those rumours

But If it’s true offer

5th + Josh Anderson vs 2nd OA

Basu said he would do Slaf + the 5th for the 2nd (Fantilli)
You won't move up for spare parts, you would need to really entice them (imagine us moving back several spots and only getting a future 3rd liner for our troubles)

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Would you give up Fantilli for 5th and Beck? No.

Maybe you outta treck back the conversation, because you're missing a huge caveat. Maybe read back a bit next time.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Let's just find a way to get Perreault-Smith-Leonard and enjoy the next 15 years

 

[Mrb1p]

A really good video on Ryan Leonard by Mitch Brown, who compiles his own tracking data through watching the freaking games of prospects. He's a really under-rated analyst.

To all those who don't like the "skill-less" Leonard:

Has anyone in this thread even called Leonard "skill-less"?