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HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

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Michoulicious said:
I'm down for Gauthier at that spot, not doubt.

Can you imagine the RW depth if we somehow pick Michkov and Gauthier in the 1st round?

Michkov (RW, shoots left)
Caufield
Gauthier
Anderson
Gallagher
Roy (RW, shoots left)

Probably Gallagher/Anderson will be gone when Michkov/Gauthier are there, but still.

Crazy stuff. We'll need some RHD at some point however.
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Yes Gauthier could play anywhere on the top 9 and bring us a poison around the net and a player that compete every time he's on the ice.

I'm expecting big thing from him in the next 2 season where he's gonna play in his hometown in Drummondville (he's been traded there, the annonce is gonna be made close the the QMJHL draft in 2 weeks)
 
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Habs Icing said:
Which one? The tape measure or the stud finder? You can find a stud but if he doesn't meet the height requirements it's a loss. So you need a tape measure. Examples: Benson, Cristall.
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Nah. Crosby, Suzuki, Oshie, Benson style players are effectively bigger than the Kuznetsov, Zegras, Will Smith style of player even if they're shorter.
 
Slafy said:
How comparable is Smith vs Turcotte ??
Having a bust at #5 would suck !
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Not at all.

Turcotte busted because of injuries rather than him not being talented. And I wouldnt say hes 100% a bust, hes 22, same age as Dach. Id give him at least 12 more months of injury free hockey before declaring him as such.


Turcotte is a pretty straight comparison to Leonard though. They both played a similar game and theyre both of similar size.
 
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SOLR said:
1) not all years are the same (thinking by analogy etc... dangerous)

2) you have to evaluate each player individually

3) many players in that Jack Hughes teams were passengers (Turcotte)

4) historical production in junior rank isn't very predictive of the next level

5) most of that Hughes team took many years to arrive (effect of the dunking vs. having to play a more complete game?)

6) they just get more criticism because they dunk on other teams a whole lot more than any other prospects (particularly the European ones who play pro hockey early)- but I could say the same about Fantilli in the all-star team or a lot of nights of Bedard in the WHL - it just looks way worse for the USNTDP guys because they are playing exhibition hockey.
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1.) Never said they were, not sure what the argument is here.

2.) Sure.

3.) And many weren't, but they argument was applied to everyone, including Jack Hughes. I had plenty of arguments that Caufield was being carried for example. Like, what was the argument even supposed to be? That Jack Hughes is so good that he can make a bust score more than Auston Matthews?

4.) Yes, it is. Less so than professional rank, but still tells you a lot.

5.) So what?

6.) I don't actually mind criticism of any player. What I mind is endless excuses for players who ''played with men'' while USNTDP players can seemingly never escape the same ole criticisms.
 
Slafy said:
How comparable is Smith vs Turcotte ??
Having a bust at #5 would suck !
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Not comparable at all.

Also, I don't want Ethan Gauthier at all for the Habs. He'd have to be there in round 3 for me to bite the bullet.

The Habs need a few things in their prospect pool... another 200 ft support player who isn't moving the needle offensively isn't one of them.
 
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NotProkofievian said:
1.) Never said they were, not sure what the argument is here.

2.) Sure.

3.) And many weren't, but they argument was applied to everyone, including Jack Hughes. I had plenty of arguments that Caufield was being carried for example. Like, what was the argument even supposed to be? That Jack Hughes is so good that he can make a bust score more than Auston Matthews?

4.) Yes, it is. Less so than professional rank, but still tells you a lot.

5.) So what?

6.) I don't actually mind criticism of any player. What I mind is endless excuses for players who ''played with men'' while USNTDP players can seemingly never escape the same ole criticisms.
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1) you made the analogy yourself "like the Jack Hughes team"

3) Well yes, playmakers make other players look much better than goal-scorers. So Jack Hughes (and Will Smith) could create illusions much more than Matthews ever could.

4) There is a correlation but it's much weaker than what is necessary to look at points blindly, way too many 100 pts players in juniors never reach the NHL

5) More time to arrive = more risks obviously. And potentially lesser prime years as well, as bad habits lower the prime output.

6) Neither they should, the program should come with a stench. And I know all about this situation from being selected in such programs myself, it comes with the territory, keeps them honest.
 
SOLR said:
1) you made the analogy yourself "like the Jack Hughes team"

3) Well yes, playmakers make other players look much better than goal-scorers. So Jack Hughes (and Will Smith) could create illusions much more than Matthews ever could.

4) There is a correlation but it's much weaker than what is necessary to look at points blindly, way too many 100 pts players in juniors never reach the NHL

5) More time to arrive = more risks obviously. And potentially lesser prime years as well, as bad habits lower the prime output.

6) Neither they should, the program should come with a stench. And I know all about this situation from being selected in such programs myself, it comes with the territory, keeps them honest.
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1.) No where did I say that ''all years are the same.'' Nor was it even an analogy. It was drawing attention to what we can expect from players who we know to be very good at the NHL level all playing together against weak opposition.

3.) Lol.

4.) I'm not looking at them blindly, but they do have to be looked at because they are predictive. What people are engaging in with respect to Dvorsky is the usual ''Slaf would've scored 60 goals in the CHL'' nonsense.

5.) Not a big deal. As we found out the hard way with KK, wasting cheap years and contract control before a player is ready is dumb.

6.) Lol.
 
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Here's the scenario where the Habs get Fantilli:

CHI - Bedard
Ana - Michkov
CBJ - Carlsson
SJS - Smith
MTL - Fantilli.

I'd say there's very little chance that occurs.

Here's the scenario where the Habs get Carlsson
CHI - Bedard
ANA - Fantilli
CBJ - Smith
SJS - Michkov
MTL - Carlsson

More likely than Fantilli but still unlikely.

Here's the scenario where the Habs get Smith
CHI - Bedard
ANA - Fantilli
CBJ - Carlsson
SJS - Michkov
MTL - Smith

And then the scenario where the Habs get Michkov
CHI - Bedard
ANA - Fantilli
CBJ - Carlsson
SJS - Smith
MTL - Michkov
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Here's the scenario where the Habs get Fantilli:

CHI - Bedard
Ana - Michkov
CBJ - Carlsson
SJS - Smith
MTL - Fantilli.

I'd say there's very little chance that occurs.
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Yes that scenario have less then 1% chance happening. I don't see ANA, CBS and SJ passing on Fantilli. Maybe Anaheim could pass (would be extremely surprise, he's a perfect fit for them) but he won't pass Columbus
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Here's the scenario where the Habs get Fantilli:

CHI - Bedard
Ana - Michkov
CBJ - Carlsson
SJS - Smith
MTL - Fantilli.

I'd say there's very little chance that occurs.

Here's the scenario where the Habs get Carlsson
CHI - Bedard
ANA - Fantilli
CBJ - Smith
SJS - Michkov
MTL - Carlsson

More likely than Fantilli but still unlikely.

Here's the scenario where the Habs get Smith
CHI - Bedard
ANA - Fantilli
CBJ - Carlsson
SJS - Michkov
MTL - Smith

And then the scenario where the Habs get Michkov
CHI - Bedard
ANA - Fantilli
CBJ - Carlsson
SJS - Smith
MTL - Michkov
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There is also this scenario where MTL get assuredly one of Carlsson or Fantilli.

Bedard
Michkov
Smith
Fantilli/Carlsson
Carlsson/Fantilli

Fantilli be 19 when the next season start. Dvorsky will still be 18 when the stanley cup in 2024 is lifted. I would not give much to this but Trevor Timmins is picking two spot before us after all and he selected KK over Tkachuk stating this as one of the reason why.

Also, i don't think its impossible that a team picking in front of us goes out of the left field with one of Benson, Leonard, Dvorsky, Reinbacher for example. Anaheim going with Michkov would make it very very interesting.

Its all up in the air after Bedard in my opinion and we have to keep all scenarios open. It always surprise us. Every single year. I doubt NJ expected Hughes at 4. I doubt SEA expected Wright at 4, McTavish at 3 while Eklund who had a great season in the SHL (wink wink) fell to 7. We will see! Smith has the best offensive package after Bedard and Michkov. Fantilli is two weeks from the 2022 draft. Carlsson stutters. Etc.
 
Jaynki said:
There is also this scenario where MTL get assuredly one of Carlsson or Fantilli.

Bedard
Michkov
Smith
Fantilli/Carlsson
Carlsson/Fantilli

Fantilli be 19 when the next season start. Dvorsky will still be 18 when the stanley cup in 2024 is lifted. I would not give much to this but Trevor Timmins is picking ywo spot before us.

Also, i don't think its impossible that a team picking in front of us goes out of the left field with one of Benson, Leonard, Dvorsky, Reinbacher for example. Anaheim going with Michkov would make it very very interesting.

Its all up in the air after Bedard in my opinion and we have to keep all scenarios open. It always surprise us. Every single year. I doubt NJ expected Hughes at 4. I doubt SEA expected Wright at 4, McTavish at 3 while Eklund who had a great season in the SHL (wink wink) fell to 7. We will see!
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I know a lot of people think the draft starts at 3, but I think it starts at 2.

Fantilli is a similar profile to MacTavish. Smith is a similar profile to Zegras. They may be tempted by Michkov or Carlsson.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
I know a lot of people think the draft starts at 3, but I think it starts at 2.

Fantilli is a similar profile to MacTavish. Smith is a similar profile to Zegras. They may be tempted by Michkov or Carlsson.
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I agree. I also think it starts at 2 too.

Fantilli is a weirdo. Madden JR is also a weirdo but a different kind of weirdo. Maybe it dont fit 😂
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Here's the scenario where the Habs get Fantilli:

CHI - Bedard
Ana - Michkov
CBJ - Carlsson
SJS - Smith
MTL - Fantilli.

I'd say there's very little chance that occurs.

Here's the scenario where the Habs get Carlsson
CHI - Bedard
ANA - Fantilli
CBJ - Smith
SJS - Michkov
MTL - Carlsson

More likely than Fantilli but still unlikely.

Here's the scenario where the Habs get Smith
CHI - Bedard
ANA - Fantilli
CBJ - Carlsson
SJS - Michkov
MTL - Smith

And then the scenario where the Habs get Michkov
CHI - Bedard
ANA - Fantilli
CBJ - Carlsson
SJS - Smith
MTL - Michkov
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And this is the final (and most likely imo) scenario

CHI - Bedard
ANA - Fantilli
CBJ - Carlsson
SJS - Smith
MTL - Dvo/Reinbacher/Leonard
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Here's the scenario where the Habs get Fantilli:

CHI - Bedard
Ana - Michkov
CBJ - Carlsson
SJS - Smith
MTL - Fantilli.

I'd say there's very little chance that occurs.

Here's the scenario where the Habs get Carlsson
CHI - Bedard
ANA - Fantilli
CBJ - Smith
SJS - Michkov
MTL - Carlsson

More likely than Fantilli but still unlikely.

Here's the scenario where the Habs get Smith
CHI - Bedard
ANA - Fantilli
CBJ - Carlsson
SJS - Michkov
MTL - Smith

And then the scenario where the Habs get Michkov
CHI - Bedard
ANA - Fantilli
CBJ - Carlsson
SJS - Smith
MTL - Michkov
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And then there is the possibility of trades in the top 4 (Toronto) or that we trade down with someone.
 
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