HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

[NotProkofievian]

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Off the top of my head, SMAHT, Dobber, Elite Prodpects all have Moore ahead. I think McKeen has them back to back…..

I think SMAHT also has Cristall at 6. Which is based.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

A question for the Dvorsky fans, why do you prefer him to Leonard?

Bigger, better, better shot, centerman…

 

[SlafySZN]

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Off the top of my head, SMAHT, Dobber, Elite Prodpects all have Moore ahead. I think McKeen has them back to back…..

The only real list i’m looking at is Bob Mckenzie’s because it’s the closer we get to NHL scouts opinion. It’s never exactly accurate but it’s a better idea than those other rankings.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Bigger, better, better shot, centerman…

A Leonard nuthugger might counter that Leonard is the more productive player even accounting for league quality, and that he's a better skater, and perhaps even a better playmaker/dangler. Of course, while Dalibor is physical, Leo is more so.

 

[SlafySZN]

A Leonard nuthugger might counter that Leonard is the more productive player even accounting for league quality, and that he's a better skater, and perhaps even a better playmaker/dangler. Of course, while Dalibor is physical, Leo is more so.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

A Leonard nuthugger might counter that Leonard is the more productive player even accounting for league quality, and that he's a better skater, and perhaps even a better playmaker/dangler. Of course, while Dalibor is physical, Leo is more so.

Put Dvorsky on that line and imagine the production.

 

[Belial]

A Leonard nuthugger might counter that Leonard is the more productive player even accounting for league quality, and that he's a better skater, and perhaps even a better playmaker/dangler. Of course, while Dalibor is physical, Leo is more so.

I think Leonard has a lot of untapped potential.

In my opinion, he simplified his game and played more of a north/south/power forward game to make that line effective but you can see him making some great passes and deke people.

The kid definitely has skill.

 

[Mrb1p]

I got one for you nutcrackers.

Why Dvorsky or Leonard ahead of Yager?

There is nothing that Yager doesnt do better than these two.

 

[Skip Bayless]

I got one for you nutcrackers.

Why Dvorsky or Leonard ahead of Yager?

There is nothing that Yager doesnt do better than these two.

I pick Yager before Dvorsky. As for Leonard, I think they're both in the same tier skill wise, but I pick Leonard because the compete level/motor is superior.

 

[Skip Bayless]

The only thing that can work in favor of Dvorsky inside the top 10, is if he blows teams away during interviews and convinces people that he's obsessed about improving his skating + puck skills.

 

[Hope Of Glory]

I got one for you nutcrackers.

Why Dvorsky or Leonard ahead of Yager?

There is nothing that Yager doesnt do better than these two.

Yeah, Yager gets less hype but great speed, great shot, learned to play center this year and developped his passing skills.

He should be in the conversation with the players in the 6-10 range imo.

 

[Belial]

I got one for you nutcrackers.

Why Dvorsky or Leonard ahead of Yager?

There is nothing that Yager doesnt do better than these two.

Smaller and softer right off the bat...

 

[Goldenhands]

The only thing that can work in favor of Dvorsky inside the top 10, is if he blows teams away during interviews and convinces people that he's obsessed about improving his skating + puck skills.

Dvorsky's puck skills are actually really good, he also makes ton of smart plays that arent flashy but just so damn effective. His inside work and puck battling are easily among the top in this draft, has a strong active stick, great strength and puck protection skills, Needs to improve his skating and pace.

Dvorsky's overall package is pretty underrated over here, but since this place is more flashiness than effectiveness, Im not really surprised that he doesnt get much love.

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[Mrb1p]

Smaller and softer right off the bat...

Smaller than who? Leonard? Couldve sworn Yager was taller.

 

[Belial]

Smaller than who? Leonard? Couldve sworn Yager was taller.

It doesn't matter really, Leonard plays like he's 6'3 and Yager avoids contact as much as he can.

 

[WinterLion]

Dvorsky's puck skills are actually really good, he also makes ton of smart plays that arent flashy but just so damn effective. His inside work and puck battling are easily among the top in this draft, has a strong active stick, great strength and puck protection skills, Needs to improve his skating and pace.

Dvorsky's overall package is pretty underrated over here, but since this place is more flashiness than effectiveness, Im not really surprised that he doesnt get much love over here.

Yeah I agree. I'd actually be really excited if we picked Dvorsky. His ability to hold onto the puck is uncanny and he certainly steps it up in key moments. To me he is a guy you win with. Of course I have to admit that most of my viewings of him were at the U18's so I get that some people were less impressed when he played against men. Still it is hard to get a top 6 C and I think it's pretty clear he can be that.

 

[Goldenhands]

Smaller than who? Leonard? Couldve sworn Yager was taller.

Leonard makes Yager look like a ballerina Yager is possibly the one who disappointed me the most in this draft year with all the hype that came with. Playing center maybe hasnt helped him, but his game away from the puck has been poor and physically got overmatched most of the time. There is no grit in his game at all. Yager doesnt compare to Dvorsky or Leonard at all, the one he would compare the most with his skating skills would be Oliver Moore, but still, Moore beats him cleanly in about all categories.

Yeah I agree. I'd actually be really excited if we picked Dvorsky. His ability to hold onto the puck is uncanny and he certainly steps it up in key moments. To me he is a guy you win with. Of course I have to admit that most of my viewings of him were at the U18's so I get that some people were less impressed when he played against men. Still it is hard to get a top 6 C and I think it's pretty clear he can be that.

His skating was his achille heel this year in the men league, but he eclipsed the competition everytime he faced his age group, including J20 where he produced at an all time 2PP pace. I think the skating will be fine, its just not quite pro level yet.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Dvorsky's puck skills are actually really good, he also makes ton of smart plays that arent flashy but just so damn effective. His inside work and puck battling are easily among the top in this draft, has a strong active stick, great strength and puck protection skills, Needs to improve his skating and pace.

Dvorsky's overall package is pretty underrated over here, but since this place is more flashiness than effectiveness, Im not really surprised that he doesnt get much love over here.

When people talk about puck skills it's not dekes and flashiness. It's hand to feet coordination, and speed of execution, which he lacks.

An example is when he faces pressure, he will lose control of the puck systematically. In every zone. When he needs to pivot, the puck comes out flying from his stick. His poor skating affects his stickhandling drastically. This is a skill you want a C to have in spades. This is something that people don't notice much at lower levels because it rarely comes back to bite players, but in the NHL it doesn't pass.

Leonard and Yager don't have that problem, even though they still need to work on it to get to the next level like every other player, it's just that Dvorsky is starting from way way behind them in that regard. And mind you, this is a player that plays on big ice and has trouble playing under pressure.

 

[KevSkillz4]

I think Dvorsky profile is more encouraging that KK profile. So it's a great value at 5. KK show promising thing with Carolina, so drafting a better profile than KK will make the future of this team really really solid for many years to come.

Just the fact he is a better skater than KK is already huge. KK with better skating and better shot... why not ?

 

[Skip Bayless]

I think Dvorsky profile is more encouraging that KK profile. So it's a great value at 5. KK show promising thing with Carolina, so drafting a better profile than KK will make the future of this team really really solid for many years to come.

Just the fact he is a better skater than KK is already huge. KK with better skating and better shot... why not ?

KK honestly looked like a better prospect.

Dvorsky is very high on my bust radar.

 

[Goldenhands]

When people talk about puck skills it's not dekes and flashiness. It's hand to feet coordination, and speed of execution, which he lacks.

An example is when he faces pressure, he will lose control of the puck systematically. In every zone. When he needs to pivot, the puck comes out flying from his stick. His poor skating affects his stickhandling drastically. This is a skill you want a C to have in spades. This is something that people don't notice much at lower levels because it rarely comes back to bite players, but in the NHL it doesn't pass.

Leonard and Yager don't have that problem, even though they still need to work on it to get to the next level like every other player, it's just that Dvorsky is starting from way way behind them in that regard. And mind you, this is a player that plays on big ice and has trouble playing under pressure.

I totally disagree on the stickhandling part of your evaluation, kid works well in tight or under pressure.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

People underrating Dvorsky because he doesn’t go 1 on 5 and try and win outside with speed or flashy dekes as if that works regularly in the NHL lol

 

[Andrei79]

When people talk about puck skills it's not dekes and flashiness. It's hand to feet coordination, and speed of execution, which he lacks.

An example is when he faces pressure, he will lose control of the puck systematically. In every zone. When he needs to pivot, the puck comes out flying from his stick. His poor skating affects his stickhandling drastically. This is a skill you want a C to have in spades. This is something that people don't notice much at lower levels because it rarely comes back to bite players, but in the NHL it doesn't pass.

Leonard and Yager don't have that problem, even though they still need to work on it to get to the next level like every other player, it's just that Dvorsky is starting from way way behind them in that regard. And mind you, this is a player that plays on big ice and has trouble playing under pressure.

Do you have any video of what you mean ? Limited viewings (U18,) here says differently, which is why I'm curious.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Put Dvorsky on that line and imagine the production.

Imagine Dvorsky's production with those linemates and against weaker teams too. Dvorsky was all by himself and Slovakia had a far more difficult schedule. He still had amazing production.

 

[le_sean]

Dvorsky also gives us another centerman, which is probably our biggest need. The best left shot in this draft is Michkov IMHO, but then we had better get PLD and he had better play center.

Centre isn’t our biggest need. He’s in no way ever going to be better than Suzuki and I don’t think he’ll be better than Dach. Hopefully we also get PLD, and Dvorsky won’t be as good as him either.