HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

[Rapala]

We won't know how good our PP is until we get rid of Hoffman forever. Matheson is a trial at times as well but he did seem to get better when he played the top of the umbrella. This lone man back bullshit needs to end also. I don't see one good PP that doesn't have multiple players attacking the blue line in tandem. What a concept use the man advantage.

 

[SlafySZN]

Our PP was absolute shit when Suzuki played the bumper. The more touches he gets the better our PP is.

PP is shit anyway, so why being closed off at trying other combinaisons.

 

[Redux91]

Lol pick 18 then.

Again, that’s what the value is.

No it's true dude
You cannot use the NFL value chart to compare with the NHLs
2 completely entirely different beasts.
The first 4 rounds-ish of NFL draft , you are drafting "Starters" right away basically, all aged 21-24
it's why 1st 2nd 3rd round picks are SO much more valuable than a draft like the NHL where you are picking 18 year olds who need time to develop for the big league.
College football is essentially already the AHL basically

Anyway, didn't mean to derail or anything
But there is definitely a big difference in value between the 2.

Your proposal would most likely get you in the mid 20's

 

[The Great Weal]

Not sure why people are so confident we will draft Smith. Smith mentioned how Hughes was very adamant on the importance of a 2way game and that's Smith's biggest weakness so can't see Hughes being a fan of that. Michkov will get drafted by the Sharks and on the slight chance he's available with our pick, I don't think we pick him anyways. Jackets said they will pick a center and Smith likely won't be a center in the NHL.

It really does feel like Leonard/Reinbacher/Dvorsky will be our pick. The only thing I could think of that opposes my view is how Hughes was very happy about not dropping which to me means they have a set top 5, but that could also just be me reading too much into it.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

https://www.tvasports.ca/2023/05/25/matvei-michkov-pourrait-ne-jamais-venir-jouer-dans-la-lnh

Sorry if it has already been posted, its in french, but really worth the google translate. UQAM historian professor, specialized in international sport and Russian politic, talk about the risks of selecting Russian players in the actual geopolitic situation. Rather scary...

This is almost the same level as flat-earth conspiracy... C'est fatiguant.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

No it's true dude
You cannot use the NFL value chart to compare with the NHLs
2 completely entirely different beasts.
The first 4 rounds-ish of NFL draft , you are drafting "Starters" right away basically, all aged 21-24
it's why 1st 2nd 3rd round picks are SO much more valuable than a draft like the NHL where you are picking 18 year olds who need time to develop for the big league.
College football is essentially already the AHL basically

Anyway, didn't mean to derail or anything
But there is definitely a big difference in value between the 2.

Your proposal would most likely get you in the mid 20's

The NHL trade value chart says 17th pick. Which is what I asked.

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Not sure why people are so confident we will draft Smith. Smith mentioned how Hughes was very adamant on the importance of a 2way game and that's Smith's biggest weakness so can't see Hughes being a fan of that. Michkov will get drafted by the Sharks and on the slight chance he's available with our pick, I don't think we pick him anyways. Jackets said they will pick a center and Smith likely won't be a center in the NHL.

It really does feel like Leonard/Reinbacher/Dvorsky will be our pick. The only thing I could think of that opposes my view is how Hughes was very happy about not dropping which to me means they have a set top 5, but that could also just be me reading too much into it.

If Hughes believes in Smith the person, a guy who will do the work to strengthen their weaknesses, he won’t pass on him. The talent is there.

And the fact Smith and Hughes are so close they text each other regularly tells me that Smith will not be passed up.

 

[SlafySZN]

Not sure why people are so confident we will draft Smith. Smith mentioned how Hughes was very adamant on the importance of a 2way game and that's Smith's biggest weakness so can't see Hughes being a fan of that. Michkov will get drafted by the Sharks and on the slight chance he's available with our pick, I don't think we pick him anyways. Jackets said they will pick a center and Smith likely won't be a center in the NHL.

It really does feel like Leonard/Reinbacher/Dvorsky will be our pick. The only thing I could think of that opposes my view is how Hughes was very happy about not dropping which to me means they have a set top 5, but that could also just be me reading too much into it.

Hughes knows Smith and we already know he likes him. You don’t draft a kid top 5 for his ‘’two-way game’’ you draft them top 5 for their offensive potential and then they round up their game.

And yes, i actually think he will play center.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Honestly when looking at the collection of Caufield, Suzuki, Dach, Slafkovsky (and potentially Roy)…

The guy who complements that group the best is Dvorsky.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Honestly when looking at the collection of Caufield, Suzuki, Dach, Slafkovsky (and potentially Roy)…

The guy who complements that group the best is Dvorsky.

Ryan Leonard, from the non top 5.

His motor, his speed, his tenacity, and the hands and skill to go with it.

That forward group lacks his speed. Dvorsky ain't adding speed.

 

[Mrb1p]

Honestly when looking at the collection of Caufield, Suzuki, Dach, Slafkovsky (and potentially Roy)…

The guy who complements that group the best is Dvorsky.

What they need is a balls to the wall offensive forward that plays at a high pace. Bedard, Michkov, Carlsson, Fantilli, Benson.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Ryan Leonard, from the non top 5.

His motor, his speed, his tenacity, and the hands and skill to go with it.

That forward group lacks his speed. Dvorsky ain't adding speed.

The biggest need is a left handed shooter, and Dvorsky brings that. He also brings, size, tenacity, and strong two way play.

 

[WeThreeKings]

The biggest need is a left handed shooter, and Dvorsky brings that. He also brings, size, tenacity, and strong two way play.

Pretty sure Dvorsky is right handed, he just shoots left.

I'm trying to update our terminology.. it's time this injustice ends!

 

[SlafySZN]

Ryan Leonard, from the non top 5.

His motor, his speed, his tenacity, and the hands and skill to go with it.

That forward group lacks his speed. Dvorsky ain't adding speed.

And at least Leonard can be a very nice complement to let’s say Dach or the Suzuki line. Plus i honestly think he could play the center position with his tools, not only wing.

I just think he has something more than a guy like Dvorsky. He has the ‘’it’’ factor.

 

[WeThreeKings]

And at least Leonard can be a very nice complement to let’s say Dach or the Suzuki line. Plus i honestly think he could play the center position with his tools, not only wing.

I'm not a Leonard is a center guy.. same way I wasn't a Gauthier is a center guy.. and why I don't think Dvorsky is a shoe in to play center either. Nor am I big Fantilli needs to be a centerman guy.

But that's just me.. I want my centerman to be great zone exit and entries with a high degree of vision and playmaking ability. When I look at all the guys above, that's not their strengths.

It's kind of like Matthews, he needs Marner because Matthews isn't really a traditional center.. when he isn't paired with Marner, he isn't as effective.

So I guess, yeah those guys can be centers, I wouldn't do it.. but if I did do it, I'd want a center from the wing type player with them.. of which we have none.

 

[SlafySZN]

I'm not a Leonard is a center guy.. same way I wasn't a Gauthier is a center guy.. and why I don't think Dvorsky is a shoe in to play center either. Nor am I big Fantilli needs to be a centerman guy.

But that's just me.. I want my centerman to be great zone exit and entries with a high degree of vision and playmaking ability. When I look at all the guys above, that's not their strengths.

It's kind of like Matthews, he needs Marner because Matthews isn't really a traditional center.. when he isn't paired with Marner, he isn't as effective.

So I guess, yeah those guys can be centers, I wouldn't do it.. but if I did do it, I'd want a center from the wing type player with them.. of which we have none.

I agree, centers are usually the playmakers so they can distribute the puck in transition. Need a playmaking winger when your center is more of a goal scorer.

 

[NotProkofievian]

The biggest need is a left handed shooter, and Dvorsky brings that. He also brings, size, tenacity, and strong two way play.

Dvorsky also gives us another centerman, which is probably our biggest need. The best left shot in this draft is Michkov IMHO, but then we had better get PLD and he had better play center.

 

[Jaynki]

Not sure why people are so confident we will draft Smith. Smith mentioned how Hughes was very adamant on the importance of a 2way game and that's Smith's biggest weakness so can't see Hughes being a fan of that. Michkov will get drafted by the Sharks and on the slight chance he's available with our pick, I don't think we pick him anyways. Jackets said they will pick a center and Smith likely won't be a center in the NHL.

It really does feel like Leonard/Reinbacher/Dvorsky will be our pick. The only thing I could think of that opposes my view is how Hughes was very happy about not dropping which to me means they have a set top 5, but that could also just be me reading too much into it.

I think you are reading too much into everything.

After Bedard, it is all up in the air. Maybe Michkov gets picked 2 and Smith or Dvorsky is picked 3rd and maybe Fantilli or Carlsson are the one falling to 5. We will see.

The draft never happens like predicted and surprise always happens. Every single year.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

I'm not a Leonard is a center guy.. same way I wasn't a Gauthier is a center guy.. and why I don't think Dvorsky is a shoe in to play center either. Nor am I big Fantilli needs to be a centerman guy.

But that's just me.. I want my centerman to be great zone exit and entries with a high degree of vision and playmaking ability. When I look at all the guys above, that's not their strengths.

It's kind of like Matthews, he needs Marner because Matthews isn't really a traditional center.. when he isn't paired with Marner, he isn't as effective.

So I guess, yeah those guys can be centers, I wouldn't do it.. but if I did do it, I'd want a center from the wing type player with them.. of which we have none.

Dvorsky 100% stays at center, he’s a beast at faceoffs and his two way game is miles ahead of most centres his age. He also absolutely has the playmaking and hands, we just saw it at the U18s ffs

But do think he could benefit from playing with a Dach or Slafkovsky ie a winger who can dish the puck to utilize his one timing ability.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Not sure why people are so confident we will draft Smith. Smith mentioned how Hughes was very adamant on the importance of a 2way game and that's Smith's biggest weakness so can't see Hughes being a fan of that. Michkov will get drafted by the Sharks and on the slight chance he's available with our pick, I don't think we pick him anyways. Jackets said they will pick a center and Smith likely won't be a center in the NHL.

It really does feel like Leonard/Reinbacher/Dvorsky will be our pick. The only thing I could think of that opposes my view is how Hughes was very happy about not dropping which to me means they have a set top 5, but that could also just be me reading too much into it.

i saw it too Hughes clearly has a top 5 he likes

 

[Milhouse40]

Ryan Leonard, from the non top 5.

His motor, his speed, his tenacity, and the hands and skill to go with it.

That forward group lacks his speed. Dvorsky ain't adding speed.

I would say it's his nastiness that is missing from our prospect pool. It's all fun to have Roy, Slafkovsky, Farrell, Heineman, Mesar. Caufield and whatnot......but none has that skill in their toolbox

 

[Pazucha]

I don't really see a fit for Dvorsky on a future PP1 unless you put him into the bumper.

I am sorry but this statement is bonkers

He is 2-3 years from NHL and he will be only 22 in 5 years and you already know he wont fit the PP1??

 

[Mrb1p]

Dvorsky also gives us another centerman, which is probably our biggest need. The best left shot in this draft is Michkov IMHO, but then we had better get PLD and he had better play center.

Suzuki, Dach, potentially Dubois

Caufield and... RHP?

I dont think the Habs need centers more than wingers. What they need is a F1 forward that will push everyone down offensively, wether that is a winger or a center, I dont think it does matter.

Im also not saying wing is more of a need as all the Cs proved theyre effective W too. Its just that, aside from RD, the team had no glaring need, or is it that its weak all over?

I would say it's his nastiness that is missing from our prospect pool. It's all fun to have Roy, Slafkovsky, Farrell, Heineman, Mesar. Caufield and whatnot......but none has that skill in their toolbox

Leonard isnt nasty lol

Well I mean he has nasty hands and a nasty shot but...

 

[Vachon23]

What they need is a F1 forward that will push everyone down offensively

His name is Benson, Zach Benson

 

[SOLR]

Slaf can also keep the play alive, transition the puck and has a great one timer. You have Caufield on the left and Slaf on the right.

Dvorsky is elite at keeping the play alive compared to Slaf.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I am sorry but this statement is bonkers

He is 2-3 years from NHL and he will be only 22 in 5 years and you already know he wont fit the PP1??

I said I don't really see a fit, and I can't just invent a world where he becomes a really strong playmaker.