HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

[Kent Nilsson]

In this case, I think it's more that Michkov is not super interested in the defensive side of things, which happens very often for offensive players.

I don't think it's something you should be worried about though cause at the end of the day, he's always going to tilt the ice in favour of whoever's team he'll play on.

Just a reminder that even Crosby was really bad defensively at the beginning of his career and he learned to be a better 2-way player.

Even McDavid now isn't even that good defensively, but he's just so good offensively that it doesn't matter.

I'm sure he'll learn how to play a better 2-way game, but don't expect Michkov to ever win a Selke. What's good is that he's a winger, so you can just pair him with a more defensively responsible C (ex: Suzuki) that will handle the heavy lifting for him.

It matters.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

You don’t draft Michkov because you want a gritty two way player. He’s going to be frustrating at times, but he’s also going to produce in a big way.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I hate these words....super talented but not very competitive. Is he one of these kids that loves putting up points/highlight reel plays but if they don't win, it's not crushing to them?

I don't really get that assessment. You don't get as good as he is without being competitive. I haven't seen an issue in competitiveness at all.

True but dvorsky likes to go closer to the dot than Suzuki who usually likes to man the point up until the half wall. The problem is Suzuki isn't really a PP QB but still has great tools. I'd be very interested to see if he could play the bumper role effectively

There's no world where I want Dvorsky touching the puck more than Suzuki on a powerplay. Dvorsky is better off in the bumper spot and occasionally motioning out where he can one-time the puck. His puck handling and playmaking is nowhere good enough to be a primary half wall distributor.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I hate these words....super talented but not very competitive. Is he one of these kids that loves putting up points/highlight reel plays but if they don't win, it's not crushing to them?

No he's not. He's super competitive and is no worse on the defensive end than any other player we could pick at #5 other than Benson, Leonard & Dvorsky who already have strong defensive games.

If you're OK with Bedard's defensive game then Michkov's is fine. He's an under rated effort player.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

I don't really get that assessment. You don't get as good as he is without being competitive. I haven't seen an issue in competitiveness at all.



There's no world where I want Dvorsky touching the puck more than Suzuki on a powerplay. Dvorsky is better off in the bumper spot and occasionally motioning out where he can one-time the puck. His puck handling and playmaking is nowhere good enough to be a primary half wall distributor.

He's a trigger man. Like Caufield. He's not meant to be a PP QB. I predict lane Hutson will take on that role and Habs will run a diamond + bumper. Now dvorsky has a wicked left shot on the half wall so that's where he'll shine. Suzuki is pretty flexible positionally on the PP. But the only other spot for him is the bumper as I doubt they'll stick him in front of the net. That'll probably be reserved for a Dach, Dubois, or Slafkovsky

 

[WeThreeKings]

He's a trigger man. Like Caufield. He's not meant to be a PP QB. I predict lane Hutson will take on that role and Habs will run a diamond + bumper. Now dvorsky has a wicked left shot on the half wall so that's where he'll shine. Suzuki is pretty flexible positionally on the PP. But the only other spot for him is the bumper as I doubt they'll stick him in front of the net. That'll probably be reserved for a Dach, Dubois, or Slafkovsky

I don't really see a fit for Dvorsky on a future PP1 unless you put him into the bumper. I disagree that Dach should be there, as I even prefer him to Suzuki on the half-wall. Slafkovsky is the other option in the bumper and around the net.

Chances are it's gonna be Lane and Mailloux, with Caufield Slafkovsky and Dach.

Suzuki and Dvorsky end up on PP2.

 

[ReHabs]

I'm all for Mitchy if the vetting process plays out. I'm just wondering if he's another kid that just wants to put up points or will actually do anything to win. It's a real thing

We won’t know until the rubber hits the road.

What we do know is his highlight reel looks sexy and his relative and contextual stats are out of this world.

If he is a playoff disappointment he will be alongside Danault, Anderson, Gallagher and all the other “heart and soul” players who don’t produce in the playoffs.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

I don't really see a fit for Dvorsky on a future PP1 unless you put him into the bumper. I disagree that Dach should be there, as I even prefer him to Suzuki on the half-wall. Slafkovsky is the other option in the bumper and around the net.

Chances are it's gonna be Lane and Mailloux, with Caufield Slafkovsky and Dach.

Suzuki and Dvorsky end up on PP2.

Maybe but Dach doesn't have the release of a dvorsky with his one timer. I agree with the Slafkovsky take but Dach probably won't be as valuable an asset on the PP going forward imo. This is all hypothetical tho so who knows

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

How would we feel about trading picks 31 and 37 to get to around pick 17?

NFL trade value chart says we could get to pick 15 with those two picks fyi

That's NFL.

I doubt anyone wants to drop that far, especially in this draft.

I think the one someone made for hockey is completely flawed, too.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Maybe but Dach doesn't have the release of a dvorsky with his one timer. I agree with the Slafkovsky take but Dach probably won't be as valuable an asset on the PP going forward imo. This is all hypothetical tho so who knows

No but he's the best passer on the team and he's also the best at zone entries. All he needs to do is shoot enough to keep people honest, like Backstrom did.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

That's NFL.

I doubt anyone wants to drop that far, especially in this draft.

I think the one someone made for hockey is completely flawed, too.

You are getting two for one. NHL one says pick 17 which is what I wrote. I think that’s the range of where we’d be able to land in such a trade.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

You are getting two for one. NHL one says pick 17 which is the what I wrote. I think that’s the range of where we’d be able to land in such a trade.

2 for 1 doesn't matter. It's how far you fall. Unless the team has no target at 17 and thinks everyone from 17 - 40 are all the same and they don't have another pick in that range, then maybe, but unlike here, teams will have a specific list and have a specific target.

Furthermore, 17th is held by the Wings. The wings have 3 2nd round picks back-to-back-to-back.

On top of that, Detroit would probably be more inclined to move up with their 2nd round pick capital, than move back.

Would be nice to move up that high, but teams don't drop that much in a draft for a pick for picks move.

Best bet to get another 1st round there is to trade Anderson, or take on a cap dump..

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Dvorsky is a left handed shooter who can control the puck and pass as well. He’d be a great asset for any PP1- especially one like our that lacks a left handed shooter.

2 for 1 doesn't matter. It's how far you fall. Unless the team has no target at 17 and thinks everyone from 17 - 40 are all the same and they don't have another pick in that range, then maybe, but unlike here, teams will have a specific list and have a specific target.

Furthermore, 17th is held by the Wings. The wings have 3 2nd round picks back-to-back-to-back.

On top of that, Detroit would probably be more inclined to move up with their 2nd round pick capital, than move back.

Would be nice to move up that high, but teams don't drop that much in a draft for a pick for picks move.

Best bet to get another 1st round there is to trade Anderson, or take on a cap dump..

Lol pick 18 then.

Again, that’s what the value is.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Dvorsky is a left handed shooter who can control the puck and pass as well. He’d be a great asset for any PP1- especially one like our that lacks a left handed shooter.


Lol pick 18 then.

Again, that’s what the value is.

Again, those picks maybe get you to 22.

Just because that's the value for the NFL, doesn't mean it automatically crosses leagues.

According to that value chart, the Habs can deal their 1st, Florida's 1st, Habs 2nd and a 3rd and get 1st overall.

So, why are we discussing moving up to 17th/18th and not discuss going up to 1st overall?

Chicago has already accepted once I showed them the chart from the NFL.

 

[Mrb1p]

No he's not. He's super competitive and is no worse on the defensive end than any other player we could pick at #5 other than Benson, Leonard & Dvorsky who already have strong defensive games.

If you're OK with Bedard's defensive game then Michkov's is fine. He's an under rated effort player.

This.

If youre okay with Bedard, you have to be okay with Michkov. They are the same type of player, they are both small offfensively gifted players that are near-generational or even generational. Its so tiring all the narrative around Michkov, it really is nothing but dumb Russo-Phobia disguised as pseudo-scouting.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

No but he's the best passer on the team and he's also the best at zone entries. All he needs to do is shoot enough to keep people honest, like Backstrom did.

Easier said than done. I don't think people will respect his shot as much as a dvorsky which will give Caufield less time and space to do his thing and that's pretty much the most important thing for the Habs PP going forward

 

[WeThreeKings]

Easier said than done. I don't think people will respect his shot as much as a dvorsky which will give Caufield less time and space to do his thing and that's pretty much the most important thing for the Habs PP going forward

They won't respect his shot as much but they also will easily pick off his passes and end threats. Won't matter how much time and space Caufield has if he doesn't get the puck

 

[NotProkofievian]

You don’t draft Michkov because you want a gritty two way player. He’s going to be frustrating at times, but he’s also going to produce in a big way.

100% agree. Same for a couple other players in this draft, only with less of a certain upside.

 

[SOLR]

I don't really see a fit for Dvorsky on a future PP1 unless you put him into the bumper. I disagree that Dach should be there, as I even prefer him to Suzuki on the half-wall. Slafkovsky is the other option in the bumper and around the net.

Chances are it's gonna be Lane and Mailloux, with Caufield Slafkovsky and Dach.

Suzuki and Dvorsky end up on PP2.

Don't think Slaf is there anytime soon, particularly not over Dvorsky. Dvorsky is what we are missing on our powerplay, someone who keeps the play alive and can score in the dirty areas. +huge shot

 

[SlafySZN]

Don't think Slaf is there anytime soon, particularly not over Dvorsky. Dvorsky is what we are missing on our powerplay, someone who keeps the play alive and can score in the dirty areas. +huge shot

Slaf can also keep the play alive, transition the puck and has a great one timer. You have Caufield on the left and Slaf on the right.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Why the f*** do people want to take Suzuki, our only true dual threat off the PP?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Why the f*** do people want to take Suzuki, our only true dual threat off the PP?

I don't necessarily, but if you're adding a weapon like Will Smith.. the options become less available for him to be out there.

I just think Dach is a better puck distributor and if he had more shot threats with him, having the PP run through him on the half wall and Hutson up top, you just need three shooting threats with them and it's game over.

 

[Mrb1p]

Why the f*** do people want to take Suzuki, our only true dual threat off the PP?

Havent you heard? Dachs a better passer and may learn to shoot one day.

Dach is dah Bettah Puch Distributah!

Will Smith is a weapon... He could be a dual threat on the PP, he could probably even get us 70ish points!

 

[NotProkofievian]

 

[Rapala]

Easy solution there as Suzuki moves to the bumper where he played when they had Slaf on the first unit.

Our PP was absolute shit when Suzuki played the bumper. The more touches he gets the better our PP is.