2023 NHL Draft June 28 and 29, Nashville, TN (Selections - 13, 39, 45, 86, 109, 141, 173, 205)

[Doug Prishpreed]

Then you trade the pick to CBJ for Jiricek, their '23 1st and '24 1st

That's not unreasonable, and wouldn't be the worst idea on both sides.

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

Then you trade the pick to CBJ for Jiricek, their '23 1st and '24 1st

No . Take bedard and trade next year first and the year after this and/or some other prospect for a D

 

[Chainshot]

Just for fun, ran the draft lottery sim over coffee. Buffalo moved up to 3. The downside was the Wings won.

Then I ran it again and Buffalo moved to 4, Ottawa moved to 2.

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

Then you trade the pick to CBJ for Jiricek, their '23 1st and '24 1st

Nah I’ll take Bedard.

Just for fun, ran the draft lottery sim over coffee. Buffalo moved up to 3. The downside was the Wings won.

Then I ran it again and Buffalo moved to 4, Ottawa moved to 2.

Who are you taking in that range, just out of curiosity?

 

[Chainshot]

Nah I’ll take Bedard.


Who are you taking in that range, just out of curiosity?

Figure Bedard goes one...

Then it's the cluster of Fantilli/Carlsson/Michkov/Benson. I'd prefer one of Fantilli or Carlsson since Michkov is signed for so long and Benson is a recent add to the top 5 as well as being more of a redundant small offensive winger. So at three, one of Fantilli or Carlsson since at least one of them is there.

At four, I might just take Reinbacher and watch the world burn.

 

[Jim Bob]

Figure Bedard goes one...

Then it's the cluster of Fantilli/Carlsson/Michkov/Benson. I'd prefer one of Fantilli or Carlsson since Michkov is signed for so long and Benson is a recent add to the top 5 as well as being more of a redundant small offensive winger. So at three, one of Fantilli or Carlsson since at least one of them is there.

At four, I might just take Reinbacher and watch the world burn.

Speaking of watching the world burn...



I did not force the Yotes to take Michkov, either.

 

[EichHart]

Figure Bedard goes one...

Then it's the cluster of Fantilli/Carlsson/Michkov/Benson. I'd prefer one of Fantilli or Carlsson since Michkov is signed for so long and Benson is a recent add to the top 5 as well as being more of a redundant small offensive winger. So at three, one of Fantilli or Carlsson since at least one of them is there.

At four, I might just take Reinbacher and watch the world burn.

What would you give up to get Rein? Is he that good?

 

[Chainshot]

What would you give up to get Rein? Is he that good?

He's good but I wouldn't try to move up from where they are now to get him and I might later regret taking him if I was taking him at 4 since the quad cluster at 2-5 looks really good. I like Nemec and Jiricek better from last year (Nemec from draft year views, Jiricek with Cleveland views) but he's probably close to that tier. He isn't polished and is still clearly learning, but the difference from the first time I watched Kloten to the last was impressive.

 

[Jim Bob]

NHL Draft consensus ranking: Most divisive players, top defensemen and goalies, more

How do the draft lists of Corey Pronman, Scott Wheeler and Bob McKenzie stack up — and what can be learned from the differences?

theathletic.com

“Consensus draft list” is an oxymoron. Let’s get that out of the way right now.

Just as it is with teams on draft day, opinions on players can vary wildly. It’s one reason you’ll see the occasional draft day fall for a player who is generally accepted to be a strong overall prospect — he just may not be the top remaining prospect on several teams’ lists.

And for that reason, looking at multiple lists together can paint a picture for just what a player’s ceiling — and floor — might be.

That’s why a consensus list is valuable. Even without, uh, consensus.

So, with Corey Pronman and Scott Wheeler both putting out new 2023 NHL Draft boards in March, it felt like a good time to see how their lists stack up to each other — and to Bob McKenzie’s midseason draft list, which is itself a survey average of 10 NHL scouts.

McKenzie’s list came out in late January, and with how quickly opinions can change on players, it’s important to note: it might already look quite different even two months later. But even with that said, it’s a good window into the opinions of NHL scouts, and a good third opinion to keep in mind when examining how The Athletic’s draft experts view these players.

And there was quite a bit of difference.

It was unanimous, of course, that WHL sensation Connor Bedard was the number one prospect. There was also a general agreement that Michigan’s Adam Fantilli, Russia’s Matvei Michkov and Sweden’s Leo Carlsson were ranked second, third and fourth in some order, with U.S. NTDP center Will Smith a consensus pick in the top six.

Beyond that, though? The variance even among some of the top overall players was pretty notable. Winnipeg Ice forward Zach Benson, who ranked in the top six for both Wheeler and McKenzie, was 13th for Pronman. And conversely, Pronman’s No. 5, Nate Danielson, was 15th for McKenzie and as late as 22nd for Wheeler.

The variability between lists from team to team is a thing and it is funny how many people refuse to allow for variability to these generic public lists and criticize people for being higher or lower on certain guys than the "consensus".

The biggest range, however, belongs to Saskatoon defenseman Tanner Molendyk, who ranked as high as 20th for Pronman and as low as 62nd for McKenzie. And he’s followed by three other defensemen, Sioux Falls RHD Maxim Strbak, London Knights RHD Oliver Bonk and Russian LHD Dmitriy Simashev.

That speaks to the wide range of opinions on this class of defensemen.

It’s been 20 years since the draft’s top defenseman went outside the top five, when Ryan Suter was picked seventh in 2003. But none of Pronman, Wheeler or McKenzie have a defenseman in their personal top six, and all three have different preferences for the top dog on ‘D.’

It is going to be really interesting to watch what happens with the D in this draft class.

Name	Consensus	Pronman	Wheeler	McKenzie
Quentin Musty	23	22	20	26

Musty's ranking was pretty consistent across the board.

 

[Chainshot]

From earlier today:





Game is here -



Waiting for the 2nd assist to be snipped and put on Twitter. He's having a day.

 

[Chainshot]

The pass from Daniil But for his third point of the game:

 

[TheMistyStranger]

Turned on the Preds game for 6 minutes and I'm honestly not sure the sabres are going to win another one this year. Time to start following this thread, I guess.

 

[Gabrielor]

Fail hard for Bedard

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[EichHart]

 

[EichHart]

I thought you can only move up 10 spots with new draft lottery?

 

[Jim Bob]

I thought you can only move up 10 spots with new draft lottery?

22nd is 11OV pre-lottery. So, that is 10 spots away from 1OV.

 

[Chainshot]

If interested in another Russian defenseman, Omskie Yastreby is in action again right now with Mikhail Gulyayev. He's

Mikhail Gulyayev - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Mikhail Gulyayev, 2005-04-26 Novosibirsk, RUS Russia. Most recently in the KHL with Avangard Omsk. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

2023 NHL Draft Player Profile: Mikhail Gulyayev - Recruit Scouting

Mikhail Gulyayev is one of the top defensemen in the 2023 NHL Draft and a strong representative of this year's stacked Russian class.

www.recruitscouting.com

-or-

https://dobberprospects.com/player/mikhail-gulyayev/

...for some flavor. He's tiny so I haven't spent much time on him.

 

[Der Jaeger]

 

[Chainshot]

More draft conversation -



Some subset of their conversation includes:

Gulyayev vs. Simashev
Brindley vs. Perron
Barlow vs. Wood
Sandin Pellikka vs. Reinbacher

 

[Chainshot]

Watching Yager against the Ice tonight and he's got a pair - 5-2-7 in six games against the top team in the WHL for the season. I just wish he wasn't another 6'/165 lbs. player.

 

[Chainshot]

UMass commit and mid-round ranked forward in the upcoming draft, going end to end:

 

[Jim Bob]

Morning mock:

Just finished drafting using Draft Prospects Hockey’s NHL Draft Sim.
Buffalo Sabres
(10) Quentin Musty, LW
(36) David Reinbacher, RD
(41) Gabriel Perreault, C

 

[Chainshot]

Morning mock:

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Just finished drafting using Draft Prospects Hockey’s NHL Draft Sim.
Buffalo Sabres
(10) Quentin Musty, LW
(36) David Reinbacher, RD
(41) Gabriel Perreault, C

Funny, but I could see Reinbacher at 10 and Musty at 41 but not the other way around.

 

[Jim Bob]

Funny, but I could see Reinbacher at 10 and Musty at 41 but not the other way around.

I wasn't going to argue with it.