2023 Free Agency/UFA Targets

[norrisnick]

I did count the cap space for 2024-25 season too. Raymond and Seider will fit there.

I'm not that stupid.

Perron will leave, there's 2.5M dead cap space opening, upper cap limit going up, other contracts ending after 2024...

There's a lot of space.

Other contracts that need replacement contracts. Perron and Kubalik expiring and being replaced does not free up nearly enough for Mo and Ray. Their next contracts will add $10M+. And that is if one of them takes a lower bridge.

That and letting Perron walk to keep ROR? The rest of the division could only hope we're that dumb.

We should be worshiping at altars hoping the Leafs sign ROR to that deal.

 

[Henkka]

Other contracts that need replacement contracts. Perron and Kubalik expiring and being replaced does not free up nearly enough for Mo and Ray. Their next contracts will add $10M+. And that is if one of them takes a lower bridge.

~24M estimated cap space for 2024-25.

9 expiring contracts. (Perron, Kubalik, Rasmussen, Raymond, Berggren, "chiasson", "glendening", Seider, "strålman")

Replacements/extension:
---------------
Rasmussen 3.8M extension
Berggren 2.1M extension
Wallinder promoted 925k
Mazur promoted, 905k
13th forward, 800k
14th forward, 800k
-------------------
14.7M cap space left
for
- Seider 7 x 7 (long contract)
- Raymond 3 x 4.8M (takes a bridge)
- Kubalik replacement. (for the rest 2.9M, maybe Kubalik himself, 2-year extension is estimated to be 2.8M)

And all these numbers are from evolving-hockey, updated estimation tables.

Perron is let walk, because after his deal, he is starting to be pretty old. We don't keep hanging on him, some kid will internally grow to his role, like Mazur. Raymond takes the "salary-slot" from Perron. Mazur will take Raymond salary etc. Just numbers game.

The math is there.

 

[norrisnick]

~24M estimated cap space for 2024-25.

9 expiring contracts. (Perron, Kubalik, Rasmussen, Raymond, Berggren, "chiasson", "glendening", Seider, "strålman")

Replacements/extension:
---------------
Rasmussen 3.8M extension
Berggren 2.1M extension
Wallinder promoted 925k
Mazur promoted, 905k
13th forward, 800k
14th forward, 800k
-------------------
14.7M cap space left
for
- Seider 7 x 7 (long contract)
- Raymond 3 x 4.8M (takes a bridge)
- Kubalik replacement. (for the rest 2.9M, maybe Kubalik himself, 2-year extension is estimated to be 2.8M)

And all these numbers are from evolving-hockey, updated estimation tables.

Perron is let walk, because after his deal, he is starting to be pretty old. We don't keep hanging on him, some kid will internally grow to his role, like Mazur. Raymond takes the "salary-slot" from Perron. Mazur will take Raymond salary etc. Just numbers game.

The math is there.

Only with make believe numbers...

 

[WingsToPick4th]

~24M estimated cap space for 2024-25.

9 expiring contracts. (Perron, Kubalik, Rasmussen, Raymond, Berggren, "chiasson", "glendening", Seider, "strålman")

Replacements/extension:
---------------
Rasmussen 3.8M extension
Berggren 2.1M extension
Wallinder promoted 925k
Mazur promoted, 905k
13th forward, 800k
14th forward, 800k
-------------------
14.7M cap space left
for
- Seider 7 x 7 (long contract)
- Raymond 3 x 4.8M (takes a bridge)
- Kubalik replacement. (for the rest 2.9M, maybe Kubalik himself, 2-year extension is estimated to be 2.8M)

And all these numbers are from evolving-hockey, updated estimation tables.

Perron is let walk, because after his deal, he is starting to be pretty old. We don't keep hanging on him, some kid will internally grow to his role, like Mazur. Raymond takes the "salary-slot" from Perron. Mazur will take Raymond salary etc. Just numbers game.

The math is there.

No way seider gets 7x7 lol maybe 8x8.6
Also no way arizona gives us Keller for anything less than multiple 1sts with his contract.
Also no way Ottawa trades Debrincat to a division rival for a 2nd and zadina lol
Also zero chance Boston trades swayman for a 4th rounder...what were you smoking when you did these trades??? lol

 

[jkutswings]

Only with make believe numbers...

Ok. But there's currently boatloads of flexibility, and the GM has shown good cap management throughout the competitive cycle in the past. So while I'm not advocating to sign every mediocre free agent in the books...

...if Yzerman wants to accelerate the rebuild, I'm confident that he can handle any financial repercussions that go with it.

 

[Detroit Knights]

~24M estimated cap space for 2024-25.

9 expiring contracts. (Perron, Kubalik, Rasmussen, Raymond, Berggren, "chiasson", "glendening", Seider, "strålman")

Replacements/extension:
---------------
Rasmussen 3.8M extension
Berggren 2.1M extension
Wallinder promoted 925k
Mazur promoted, 905k
13th forward, 800k
14th forward, 800k
-------------------
14.7M cap space left
for
- Seider 7 x 7 (long contract)
- Raymond 3 x 4.8M (takes a bridge)
- Kubalik replacement. (for the rest 2.9M, maybe Kubalik himself, 2-year extension is estimated to be 2.8M)

And all these numbers are from evolving-hockey, updated estimation tables.

Perron is let walk, because after his deal, he is starting to be pretty old. We don't keep hanging on him, some kid will internally grow to his role, like Mazur. Raymond takes the "salary-slot" from Perron. Mazur will take Raymond salary etc. Just numbers game.

The math is there.

I'm just not sure how seider get's 7x7 if we are being honest with ourselves. I see him making just under whatever larking is making by like 100k. I know it isn't a big different, but I just don't see 7x7.

I agree with Raymond. I think he gets a bridge of 2 years though and does around that 5-6 mil. Perron can get shot to the moon for all i care. I hope he gets traded at the deadline.

 

[norrisnick]

Ok. But there's currently boatloads of flexibility, and the GM has shown good cap management throughout the competitive cycle in the past. So while I'm not advocating to sign every mediocre free agent in the books...

...if Yzerman wants to accelerate the rebuild, I'm confident that he can handle any financial repercussions that go with it.

There is nothing about ROR for three years at nearly $7M that accelerates anything but cap hell.

It's basically advocating getting rid of all the flexibility we do have.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

There is nothing about ROR for three years at nearly $7M that accelerates anything but cap hell.

It's basically advocating getting rid of all the flexibility we do have.

Don’t think O’Reilly for three years even makes a dent in our cap flexibility to be honest.

He’ll probably have a dozen stronger options than taking a three year deal with a small market team who hasn’t made the playoffs in almost a decade, so I wouldn’t lose sleep over it either way, but this team could give a 3x6.8 to Megan Markle and it wouldn’t put us in cap hell.

 

[norrisnick]

Don’t think O’Reilly for three years even makes a dent in our cap flexibility to be honest.

He’ll probably have a dozen stronger options than taking a three year deal with a small market team who hasn’t made the playoffs in almost a decade, so I wouldn’t lose sleep over it either way, but this team could give a 3x6.8 to Megan Markle and it wouldn’t put us in cap hell.

Tying up $7M for Megan or whoever with Seider, Raymond, Rasmussen, Berggren, Kubalik (or replacement), Perron (or replacement) needing new contracts, and with all but Perron likely seeing significant raises is not a favorable situation.

 

[jkutswings]

Tying up $7M for Megan or whoever with Seider, Raymond, Rasmussen, Berggren, Kubalik (or replacement), Perron (or replacement) needing new contracts, and with all but Perron likely seeing significant raises is not a favorable situation.

Speak for yourself. I'll donate right now to a GoFundMe if it means seeing Megan Markle at all the games.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Tying up $7M for Megan or whoever with Seider, Raymond, Rasmussen, Berggren, Kubalik (or replacement), Perron (or replacement) needing new contracts, and with all but Perron likely seeing significant raises is not a favorable situation.

You could give a 3x7 contract to charity, sign all of those players you listed to extensions/renewals, and this team would still have plenty of cap space to work with.

 

[Detroit Knights]

You could give a 3x7 contract to charity, sign all of those players you listed to extensions/renewals, and this team would still have plenty of cap space to work with.

Well that would just be terrible cap management. The Illitch conglomerate has plenty of dough to give money to charity without it hitting our cap space.

Speak for yourself. I'll donate right now to a GoFundMe if it means seeing Megan Markle at all the games.

but also...f*** markle other than when she was on suits

 

[SantosHalper]

NHL Trade Rumors: Ottawa Senators winger Alex DeBrincat linked to Detroit Red Wings

Though the Ottawa Senators have many unanswered problems, the first one that has to be addressed is Alex DeBrincat's future.

www.sportskeeda.com

Just like with Krug.

 

[Detroit Knights]

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Just like with Krug.

This is like the fifth reference I have seen around my world for glenngarry glenn rose in the past like 3 days. Never seen the movie, but it kind of seems like the universe is playing my hand for me huh.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

No way seider gets 7x7 lol maybe 8x8.6
Also no way arizona gives us Keller for anything less than multiple 1sts with his contract.
Also no way Ottawa trades Debrincat to a division rival for a 2nd and zadina lol
Also zero chance Boston trades swayman for a 4th rounder...what were you smoking when you did these trades??? lol

I take offense to that. I always smoke before I post a trade.

 

[SantosHalper]

This is like the fifth reference I have seen around my world for glenngarry glenn rose in the past like 3 days. Never seen the movie, but it kind of seems like the universe is playing my hand for me huh.

Watch it, you won't be disappointed.

 

[lilidk]

Don't know if it's possible, but whoud be nice to bring Bertuzzi for 1 year 7-8 mil what ever and if we aren't good just like this year trade him for another first

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Don't know if it's possible, but whoud be nice to bring Bertuzzi for 1 year 7-8 mil what ever and if we aren't good just like this year trade him for another first

Sounds great for Detroit.

I don't think Bertuzzi would feel the same way. He needs a retirement contract, not a one and done.

 

[Ulysses31]

was watching red wings rant free agency preview & seems severson is projected to get biggest ufa contract. A coveted right shot D however, i dont watch devils closely enough to know anything about him

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

was watching red wings rant free agency preview & seems severson is projected to get biggest ufa contract. A coveted right shoot D however, i dont watch devils closely enough to know anything about him

He will be overpaid before the ink dries.

 

[The Zermanator]

Don't know if it's possible, but whoud be nice to bring Bertuzzi for 1 year 7-8 mil what ever and if we aren't good just like this year trade him for another first

Sounds great for Detroit.

I don't think Bertuzzi would feel the same way. He needs a retirement contract, not a one and done.

Yeah if Bertuzzi signs a 1yr 8M deal and gets a career-ending injury (or at least one that significantly hampers his play), then that's it for his career earnings. So 8M guaranteed and nothing else.

if he signs a 5 yr deal at 6M, that's 30M guaranteed even if he has a career-ending injury next season.

Gotta secure that bag. So unless he hits FA and the market is just really not there for a long term deal at a $ amount he's satisfied with, which I doubt given he's one of the premier FAs this offseason, he's gonna secure that bag.

He seemed to like it in Detroit so I could possibly see him taking a slight discount to come back, with a strong emphasis on slight given his history of contract negotiations. But I just think it's too risky to get him on the type of deal he wants and I don't want to be handcuffed to it. We've gotten the 1st round pick for him, I'm fine letting him go. If he's willing to take a 3 yr deal I'd entertain it depending on the $ value, but any more than 3 years is just too risky IMO.

 

[odin1981]

Yeah if Bertuzzi signs a 1yr 8M deal and gets a career-ending injury (or at least one that significantly hampers his play), then that's it for his career earnings. So 8M guaranteed and nothing else.

if he signs a 5 yr deal at 6M, that's 30M guaranteed even if he has a career-ending injury next season.

Gotta secure that bag. So unless he hits FA and the market is just really not there for a long term deal at a $ amount he's satisfied with, which I doubt given he's one of the premier FAs this offseason, he's gonna secure that bag.

He seemed to like it in Detroit so I could possibly see him taking a slight discount to come back, with a strong emphasis on slight given his history of contract negotiations. But I just think it's too risky to get him on the type of deal he wants and I don't want to be handcuffed to it. We've gotten the 1st round pick for him, I'm fine letting him go. If he's willing to take a 3 yr deal I'd entertain it depending on the $ value, but any more than 3 years is just too risky IMO.

I agree, factoring his injury history any team that gives term to Bert over 3 years won't be happy with that contract.

 

[Gniwder]

Tying up $7M for Megan or whoever with Seider, Raymond, Rasmussen, Berggren, Kubalik (or replacement), Perron (or replacement) needing new contracts, and with all but Perron likely seeing significant raises is not a favorable situation.

If Stevie doesn't have at least $7M cap space with that roster, he's not doing his job. This team is a lottery team, salaries need to be commensurate with ability. Basically, none of the players are as good as you think they are, otherwise this team would be in the playoffs. They will get lower salaries than you think.

Not that I want ROR for 3 x $7M.... maybe Megan though.

 

[Henkka]

was watching red wings rant free agency preview & seems severson is projected to get biggest ufa contract. A coveted right shot D however, i dont watch devils closely enough to know anything about him

Severson is quite near the same player as Hronek. Has had same kind role in the past. But dropped out from their Top4 because they have committed to Hamilton and Marino on Right side, and skill does come from kids (L.Hughes & Nemec) on the next wave. So Devils are having a surplus of defencemen, and Severson is the man out, because it would be just stupid sign him-long term.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Severson is quite near the same player as Hronek. Has had same kind role in the past. But dropped out from their Top4 because they have committed to Hamilton and Marino on Right side, and skill does come from kids (L.Hughes & Nemec) on the next wave. So Devils are having a surplus of defencemen, and Severson is the man out, because it would be just stupid sign him-long term.