Speculation: 2023 Free Agency/Trade Thread

[gilfaizon]

We were likely on the no trade list.

David Pagnotta isn't the best source in the world, but he implied that the Ducks were definitely in the mix and Zaitsev had preferred somewhere on the west coast, fwiw.

 

[Leonardo87]

Rangers still in on Kane according to Brooks from the NY post, will need a 3rd team to help take on cap/salary. If Pagnotta is not BS’ng, Verbeek should be all over this.

 

[gilfaizon]

Speculating that maybe Verbeek has his 3 possible retention spots already "accounted" for. Klingberg is a no brainer, Kulikov will probably hold a lot more value being retained, and maybe he saves the third slot for Henrique in case a big offer comes in.

 

[bsu]

did verbeek only take the job to help us move on from rakell,lindholm,manson and now he's just gonna chill at the beach until the draft?

and didn't even get enough for each of them. SMH.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Despite a massive amount of cap space Verbeek has yet to make one of these cap dump deals so I don’t know why guys are so shocked every time. You’re setting yourself up at this point.

And I’m honestly fine with that. Those were awful deals by Arizona and Chicago today IMO.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Speculating that maybe Verbeek has his 3 possible retention spots already "accounted" for. Klingberg is a no brainer, Kulikov will probably hold a lot more value being retained, and maybe he saves the third slot for Henrique in case a big offer comes in.

This, exactly. No way he should be using a valuable retention slot for a low level pick just to facilitate two other teams' trade when we could easily end up using all three to enhance the return on Ducks players.

 

[All Mighty]

Despite a massive amount of cap space Verbeek has yet to make one of these cap dump deals so I don’t know why guys are so shocked every time. You’re setting yourself up at this point.

And I’m honestly fine with that. Those were awful deals by Arizona and Chicago today IMO.

I mean we did make a deal for Dadonov technically. And Kulikov sort of counts.

 

[MMC]

and didn't even get enough for each of them. SMH.

A year later and people still are up in arms about this. Do you think we accepted a lesser offer than what was out there? It sucks the market wasn’t better but it’s time to move on.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

I mean we did make a deal for Dadonov technically. And Kulikov sort of counts.

He could’ve been lying, but he talked about Dadonov sliding into the top six and Kulikov was put right into the top four. Both were smart moves to fill needs.

And there’s potential to do it again but at this point you can’t expect we’re gonna be the team to get a pick for taking on a shitter.

 

[AngelDuck]

My interest in Zaitsev would have only existed if we could have milked a 1st round pick (top 10 protected)out of it by adding something smaller on our end. A 2nd round pick for him seems light

 

[AngelDuck]

I think some on here are just desperate for anything, which is kind of understandable given how bad we’ve been. But it’s verbeek’s job to think critically and be patient

 

[MMC]

Would like to keep Kulikov, but he's 32 and has never won a playoff series in his career, so I don't really blame him for wanting to go to a contender

 

[Kalv]

Rangers still in on Kane according to Brooks from the NY post, will need a 3rd team to help take on cap/salary. If Pagnotta is not BS’ng, Verbeek should be all over this.

From the O'Reilly trade it doesn't seem the price is that good. Wild retained about 1.8M for a 4th rounder in 2024. Plus, yeah, a team has limit on 3 retentions

 

[DavidBL]

You're literally making up stuff to get mad at Verbeek about based on one guy getting traded to a team other than the Ducks a guy who very likely could have had the Ducks on his No Trade List.

You don't know that he's asking for too much, you don't know that he's not making any real effort to take on contracts for picks/prospects, you don't know any of this it's all pure speculation, so why even bother getting yourself all worked up and upset at Verbeek over stuff that for all you know isn't even true in the first place.

We've got over a week until the trade deadline, missing out on one cap dump isn't some sign that Verbeek plans on just sitting back and relaxing doing absolutely nothing, If you're going to get upset at Verbeek at least get upset about stuff you know for a fact he's done.

I think it's fair to be concerned. There are reports he was asking for 2 firsts from Philly for JVR. Now a report that he was in talks for zaitsev but he went to Chicago for the 2nd and the extra 4th in '26 is what it took to get done suggesting that PV was asking for more.

 

[cheesymc]

Any chance for these trades?

-Comtois (50%) for Foote (both 24 year olds needing change)

-Henrique (50%), Stolarz (50%) for Okhotyuk, Stillman (Ducks get a pair of nasty prospects)

-Thrun, Grant (50%) for Kravtsov (Maybe we can jumpstart Kravtsov like we did for Milano, and get something for Henrietta)

-Shatt (50%) for Puljujarvi, 2024 2nd (would be fun to get another Fin winger, but he’s probably going to be an overpaid 4rth liner)

-Klingberg (50%), Silver (50%) for Mantha, 2023 2nd (Caps get to split Mantha into 2 players, we need any size we can get in our top 6)

-Kulikov (50%) for 2024 3rd (Maybe Penguins?)

 

[tomd]

Any chance for these trades?

-Comtois (50%) for Foote (both 24 year olds needing change)

-Henrique (50%), Stolarz (50%) for Okhotyuk, Stillman (Ducks get a pair of nasty prospects)

-Thrun, Grant (50%) for Kravtsov (Maybe we can jumpstart Kravtsov like we did for Milano, and get something for Henrietta)

-Shatt (50%) for Puljujarvi, 2024 2nd (would be fun to get another Fin winger, but he’s probably going to be an overpaid 4rth liner)

-Klingberg (50%), Silver (50%) for Mantha, 2023 2nd (Caps get to split Mantha into 2 players, we need any size we can get in our top 6)

-Kulikov (50%) for 2024 3rd (Maybe Penguins?)

lots and lots and lots of retention..

 

[cheesymc]

lots and lots and lots of retention..

Yeah, buts it’s mostly for this year and next year. Hopefully we sign some physical dmen and be at least outside the bottom 10. I’d even take undersized guys like Clifton to pair with Fowler to have more assholes. Not really into overpaying for punching bag Mayfield or Graves just for size. We need to find a late blooming blue collar Middleton AHL type, and find another Hakanpaa.

 

[DavidBL]

Yeah, buts it’s mostly for this year and next year. Hopefully we sign some physical dmen and be at least outside the bottom 10. I’d even take undersized guys like Clifton to pair with Fowler to have more assholes. Not really into overpaying for punching bag Mayfield or Graves just for size. We need to find a late blooming blue collar Middleton AHL type, and find another Hakanpaa.

I think his point is more that we can only retain on a max of 3 contracts. You have quite a bit more listed.

 

[Static]

Would be very interested if he didn't sign, but might be another Boston kid wanting to stay home.

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

Speculating that maybe Verbeek has his 3 possible retention spots already "accounted" for. Klingberg is a no brainer, Kulikov will probably hold a lot more value being retained, and maybe he saves the third slot for Henrique in case a big offer comes in.

I‘d be curious to test this theory. Even if you took back 50%, the difference in value of Kulikov at $1M vs $2M seems negligible.

IMO, I would agree with Klingberg and Henrique taking up 2 of the 3 spots, which basically leaves a free space for the final one (unless Shattenkirk has significant value at 50% or 75%, which I doubt)

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

I‘d be curious to test this theory. Even if you took back 50%, the difference in value of Kulikov at $1M vs $2M seems negligible.

IMO, I would agree with Klingberg and Henrique taking up 2 of the 3 spots, which basically leaves a free space for the final one (unless Shattenkirk has significant value at 50% or 75%, which I doubt)

It’s not so much about getting extra value as it is probably being a necessity. Teams don’t have space and most likely can’t and/or won’t add a third pairing defenseman at that hit.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

and didn't even get enough for each of them. SMH.

It might be too early, but the Rakell trade is beginning to look good with prospect G Clang and that 2022 2nd round pick being D Luneau is looking like a steal. Luneau is still getting better too. Plus, we kinda signed a Rakell replacement in Strome, both show lots of offense, but are allergic to defense.

 

[duckpuck]

My interest in Zaitsev would have only existed if we could have milked a 1st round pick (top 10 protected)out of it by adding something smaller on our end. A 2nd round pick for him seems light

I was thinking the same thing. It sounds like Zaitsev's play has really fallen off. That being said, the way things are looking now, he'd be a top 4 guy on the ducks roster next year (which is scary to say). I think the ducks could probably use him next year even if its in the bottom pair. So I'd have taken a second.

 

[Kalv]

Very curious what it cost Ottawa.



Zaitsev has one more year on his deal at $4.5

I guess there was no way Sens would give up their first as they're still not a playoff team. This is actually a decent return, would have loved to do this trade, but I have no reason to doubt Pat was in on this. 4th in 26 seems like some chip-in, lol. There might have been bidding. Also, as someone mentioned, we don't know if we weren't on Zaitsevs no-trade list.


Also, Karlsson too pricey for Oilers — The Fourth Period

says that Oilers not willing to give up a 1st for a rental D (Gavrikov) and might look at Klingberg now – indicating what we already knew, that likely Klinger will not return a 1st unless there are some new teams jumping in.

 

[cheesymc]

I guess there was no way Sens would give up their first as they're still not a playoff team. This is actually a decent return, would have loved to do this trade, but I have no reason to doubt Pat was in on this. 4th in 26 seems like some chip-in, lol. There might have been bidding. Also, as someone mentioned, we don't know if we weren't on Zaitsevs no-trade list.


Also, Karlsson too pricey for Oilers — The Fourth Period

says that Oilers not willing to give up a 1st for a rental D (Gavrikov) and might look at Klingberg now – indicating what we already knew, that likely Klinger will not return a 1st unless there are some new teams jumping in.

Sadly its sounds like the market is set for late 1st returns for only the big fish like ROR, Tarasenko types and it appears that teams are holding out still for the remaining big fish like maybe Chychrun, Larkin, Meier, Karlsson... maybe Barbashev in that pool. I think Rico is a 50/50 right now and is a contigency option. Klinger seems to be valued at a 2nd + low prospect right now...