Prospect Info: 2023 Draft Thread (Yotes picking #6 & #12)

[Jakey53]

I don't think most of you understand. Maybe age is just getting to some of you! The only thing that is annoying are the what ifs about where we are picking. Discuss draft prospects all you want, but I think it is stupid to sit here and talk about drafting 7 & 11 or 6 & 13 etc. Just wait until the lottery and then go from there ffs.

And then when some guy picks a name out of the air and says they are rising and will be top ten, it all starts over again. I guess if you have nothing better to do and have time, it might fix posters draft fetish. Each to their own.

 

[Sinurgy]

We'd have to add to that for #2. I'd prefer to just let our scouts figure out #6 and #11. (It'll be #9 and #12) I keep thinking with the way Hayton is playing, Cooley and Geekie in the pipeline, and McBain almost a sure thing, the absolute need for a center is lessened, although you always still draft BPA. I'm hoping we get Moore or Yager with the Ottawa pick. No clue who we get with our own. Kind of thinking Benson or Smith fall to us as Reinbacher is climbing.

The team picking 2nd would refuse.

Ok let's say the team picking 2nd wouldn't refuse or if they did want more added the addition was relatively minor. I'm just curious, would you all give up the hypothetical #6 and #11 picks for #2? Do you think say Fantilli alone is worth more than whomever we'd get at 6 and 7 combined?

 

[lanky]

Each to their own.

Yes. Exactly.

I'm a bit sensitive to the topic of censorship these days. Someone tries to shutdown a discussion then I get triggered.

 

[Half Clapper]

Yes. Exactly.

I'm a bit sensitive to the topic of censorship these days. Someone tries to shutdown a discussion then I get triggered.

Keep discussing whatever you'd like! Nobody here is stopping you haha

 

[rt]

I don't think most of you understand. Maybe age is just getting to some of you! The only thing that is annoying are the what ifs about where we are picking. Discuss draft prospects all you want, but

There is an ignore user feature. Also an ignore thread feature. Everyone is also always free to delete their account. A lot of freedom, here. Unfortunately, there’s not yet a block user feature. That’s what’s sorely missing.

I think it is stupid to sit here and talk about drafting 7 & 11 or 6 & 13 etc. Just wait until the lottery and then go from there ffs.

Thanks for sharing. How valuable.

Keep discussing whatever you'd like! Nobody here is stopping you haha

Thank you for your permission. King of the internet.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I don't think most of you understand. Maybe age is just getting to some of you! The only thing that is annoying are the what ifs about where we are picking. Discuss draft prospects all you want, but I think it is stupid to sit here and talk about drafting 7 & 11 or 6 & 13 etc. Just wait until the lottery and then go from there ffs.

I know that places like this are relics in the Age of Snapchat and TikTok and etc., but the technical term for this software is a "discussion forum," and this is a discussion. Speculative discussion is still discussion. If you're not entertained by speculation, perhaps a different thread (or indeed, a different type of online platform) is better suited to your needs.

 

[rt]

I was going to ask folks what they thought about Honzek’s raw tools versus Barlow’s refined game, and what you all thought that meant for their respective floors and ceilings, and where they ought to be ranked accordingly, but that’s too much speculation.

We should wait until they have been drafted, played their careers, and then retired. At that point, we’ll know for sure.

 

[Dead Coyote]

Absolutely no way. Gulyayev has a ton of warts. He's like...probably 5th or 6th on my list of d-man. Definitely have Simashev above him. And they're different players but Gulyayev IMO doesn't even stack up great against the other offensive d-man in the draft. People are so in love with his skating and IQ, both great assets, but his shot is mediocre at best, and his defense leaves a lot to be desired as does his size and strength. He's a good PMD who can quarterback a PP, for sure, but right now he's more like Torey Krug than he is like Cale Makar.

 

[Sinurgy]

Man I picked about the worst f***ing time possible for my thought experiment regarding a hypothetical trading of the #6 and #11 picks.

 

[Half Clapper]

Man I picked about the worst f***ing time possible for my thought experiment regarding a hypothetical trading of the #6 and #11 picks.

No go for it man! This rt guy is just old and senile, and made something way bigger than it really was lol

 

[The Feckless Puck]

No go for it man! This rt guy is just old and senile, and made something way bigger than it really was lol

Dude, if you think rt is "old and senile," then most of the rest of us are literal mummies that haven't caught on that we're dead yet.

 

[Half Clapper]

I was going to ask folks what they thought about Honzek’s raw tools versus Barlow’s refined game, and what you all thought that meant for their respective floors and ceilings, and where they ought to be ranked accordingly, but that’s too much speculation.

We should wait until they have been drafted, played their careers, and then retired. At that point, we’ll know for sure.

I think it is time for your afternoon nap old man!

 

[Half Clapper]

I know that places like this are relics in the Age of Snapchat and TikTok and etc., but the technical term for this software is a "discussion forum," and this is a discussion. Speculative discussion is still discussion. If you're not entertained by speculation, perhaps a different thread (or indeed, a different type of online platform) is better suited to your needs.

I love discussion, I just don't like what ifs regarding where we are going to draft, because it can change f***ing nightly lol. That is just my opinion and obviously people took exception to that lol. Talk about prospects and how they'll project however you'd like.

 

[Dead Coyote]

Dude, if you think rt is "old and senile," then most of the rest of us are literal mummies that haven't caught on that we're dead yet.

I'm nearly 30 and I feel like I'm a young child on this forum

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I love discussion, I just don't like what ifs regarding where we are going to draft, because it can change f***ing nightly lol. That is just my opinion and obviously people took exception to that lol. Talk about prospects and how they'll project however you'd like.

Well, my (I'll assume) young friend, I think that if you don't like speculation on where we'll draft, then a different thread might suit you better. I don't know how long you've followed this team, but for those of us "olds" who have been around it for decades, the discussion of where we'll pick is not just a random hypothetical. It involves a deep and convoluted history of lottery results that, were one to be disposed toward atheism in sports, would force a rethink about whether there are actual hockey gods at work sadistically trying to break our spirits. Yes, indeed, it's nearly religious in nature.

One thing it is not is "off topic," so either hunker down and grin and bear it, or ignore the thread, or ignore the posters, but definitely don't tone-police.

 

[MIGs Dog]

So You want us to stop having this discussion until the day of the lottery?

Wait until five years after the draft and then second guess the GM. We're All really good at that.

Edit:. @rt beat me to it.

 

[rt]

I love discussion, I just don't like what ifs regarding where we are going to draft, because it can change f***ing nightly lol. That is just my opinion and obviously people took exception to that lol. Talk about prospects and how they'll project however you'd like.

People took exception to jackassery.

 

[Half Clapper]

Well, my (I'll assume) young friend, I think that if you don't like speculation on where we'll draft, then a different thread might suit you better. I don't know how long you've followed this team, but for those of us "olds" who have been around it for decades, the discussion of where we'll pick is not just a random hypothetical. It involves a deep and convoluted history of lottery results that, were one to be disposed toward atheism in sports, would force a rethink about whether there are actual hockey gods at work sadistically trying to break our spirits. Yes, indeed, it's nearly religious in nature.

One thing it is not is "off topic," so either hunker down and grin and bear it, or ignore the thread, or ignore the posters, but definitely don't tone-police.

yeah, you're right, I'll just wait until the draft lottery like a normal person, and then speculate on who we will draft from there. I'll let you old senile men sit in here and speculate nightly on which spots those are until then



EDIT: Oh and before I take a hiatus, I just wanna say colby barlow will not translate well to the NHL @rt. I'll chat with you all again on may 8th!

 

[Sinurgy]

Sooooo...assuming whomever holds the #2 overall pick would be interested, would any of you be willing to trade both the 6th and 11th overall picks for it?

 

[MIGs Dog]

Sooooo...assuming whomever holds the #2 overall pick would be interested, would any of you be willing to trade both the 6th and 11th overall picks for it?

I'd say yes, based on what I've read about the draft prospects. The #2 should be a home run. While the #6 should also be a solid NHL player, he likely will be lower quality than #2. #11 is starting to get into the unknown area. I would do the deal.

 

[rt]

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Sooooo...assuming whomever holds the #2 overall pick would be interested, would any of you be willing to trade both the 6th and 11th overall picks for it?

100% but they wouldn’t.

 

[Jakey53]

Sooooo...assuming whomever holds the #2 overall pick would be interested, would any of you be willing to trade both the 6th and 11th overall picks for it?

BA stated, and I agree with him, that 1-5 is the first tier and I think he said the second is 6-12, or something like that. I agree as well. It's a tough call, but to get a #1C with that second pick would be hard to pass up. I doubt any team that has that pick will trade it, so it's probably a moot point.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Sooooo...assuming whomever holds the #2 overall pick would be interested, would any of you be willing to trade both the 6th and 11th overall picks for it?

No - largely because I don't think 6 and 11 would get it done alone, and we'd have to pony up more assets.

I am a great believer in the idea that one player is not going to change an NHL franchise single-handedly. People fall in love with prospect players based on potential (the McDavids and Gretzkys of the world are outliers, not typical), but if you have an opportunity to pick twice in the top 12 versus once in the top 3, I always lean toward the former. Those who would argue that a top-3 pick would be a guaranteed NHL star, well... remember Dylan Strome? He was supposed to be our franchise center and he didn't even last out his entry-level deal with us.

The amateur draft is a complete and utter crapshoot unless you have a for-certain generational talent, so the more bullets you have in the gun, the better the odds you have at hitting the target.

 

[Sinurgy]

No - largely because I don't think 6 and 11 would get it done alone, and we'd have to pony up more assets.

I am a great believer in the idea that one player is not going to change an NHL franchise single-handedly. People fall in love with prospect players based on potential (the McDavids and Gretzkys of the world are outliers, not typical), but if you have an opportunity to pick twice in the top 12 versus once in the top 3, I always lean toward the former. Those who would argue that a top-3 pick would be a guaranteed NHL star, well... remember Dylan Strome? He was supposed to be our franchise center and he didn't even last out his entry-level deal with us.

The amateur draft is a complete and utter crapshoot unless you have a for-certain generational talent, so the more bullets you have in the gun, the better the odds you have at hitting the target.

Interesting you're the only one (so far) who wouldn't take that deal. Generally philosophy or you thick Fantilli is not a lock to become a 1C?

100% but they wouldn’t.

What do you think it'd take?

 

[squashmaple]

Sooooo...assuming whomever holds the #2 overall pick would be interested, would any of you be willing to trade both the 6th and 11th overall picks for it?

Probably matters who ends up with the second. If it’s a team that moved up a whole bunch in the lottery like Detroit or Buffalo—also two teams that don’t need particularly centers organizationally—or San Jose, maybe. I could absolutely see Grier going for the quantity over Fantilli, especially if Ottawa’s is tenth. I could also see Anaheim or Montreal biting, since they’ve got their centers in Zegras/McTavish and Suzuki/Dach respectively. But Columbus or Chicago? No way they move back if they’re second. Fantilli is arguably a better basic ~fit~ for Columbus than Bedard, since Bedard is somewhat of a question as a true center and we have four very good top-6 wingers between Gaudreau, Johnson, Laine, and Marchenko. It’s like last season with New Jersey moving up to second overall—you know they were thinking big winger for Hughes in Slafkovsky all the way and then Montreal chose chaos instead of Wright.