Prospect Info: 2023 Draft Thread (Yotes picking #6 & #12)

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If we get 4th Benson vs Michkov would be a wild debate on these boards in the lead-up to draft day. I'd personally go with Michkov with the numbers he's putting up in the world's second best league.

And then Chayka goes up there and takes Cameron Allen.
I’m not sure I’ve seen a draft eligible prospect with a better motor than Benson. And he may have the best stick of any forward. Kid is constantly hounding pucks. Just strips them left and right. And he’s gone the other way. And when he’s gone the other way he can beat defenders and goalies anyway you want. He wins battles despite his size because of his stick and his feet. It’s uncanny. And a pleasure to watch.
 

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I'm still taking Smith 4th, he's better than Benson and plays the C position and then we are set at the C position for the next decade with 2 elite centers.

Keller/Cooley/Schmaltz
Maccelli/Smith/Guenther
 
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I'm still taking Smith 4th, he's better than Benson and plays the C position and then we are set at the C position for the next decade with 2 elite centers.

Keller/Cooley/Schmaltz
Maccelli/Smith/Guenther
I’ve got Smith 6th right now. I like the skating and puck skills a lot. And he’s a smart and creative center. I’ve got Bedard in one tier and Fantilli in another. Benson is with Michkov and Carlsson for me in the next tier I’ve got. Smith is in the mix with a few guys in that next tier down for me.
 

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If we get 4th Benson vs Michkov would be a wild debate on these boards in the lead-up to draft day. I'd personally go with Michkov with the numbers he's putting up in the world's second best league.

And then Chayka goes up there and takes Cameron Allen.
Benson is legit. I didn't want to like the prospect, partially because he's small, but he's so good at hockey. Very entertaining to watch. If it weren't for insane talents like Bedard and Fantilli ahead of him, he'd be my 1st OA and I'd be reluctant to put anyone else ahead of him. Someone is going to get a sprite little demon. It'll be like getting Marner or Barzal. Marner is faster though, not sure with Barzal. I don't think I've ever payed attention to his speed, though I'm pretty certain I've seen him beat guys to the outside.

Anyway, Benson's speed seems normal to me but it's the only knock I see on him beyond his size. I've seen some try to claim he's not good defensively, but I think he's fine. There's work that needs to be done, but he seems to be developing his game on both sides of the puck. He'll get stronger too, some dudes are skinny strong, he could be one of them. Getting Benson is like getting Marner, he'll help you win games and occasionally put the team on his back. It'll be what we've all loved about Keller the past two seasons when he pops off.

If we have to, draft a center in the late 1st/2nd, but don't pass on Benson at 4. I won't make the same mistake I made with Marner. I believe in Benson.
 
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Smith is having a season as good as Hughes and Hughes went #1 overall. Smith is smooth, great skater, puck skills, and he plays C. Can't pass that up. I think he's got higher upside than Benson

Hughes 50gp 25g 75a 100pts - 2pts/gm
Smith 36gp 28g 41a 69pts - ~2pts/gm
 

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Let's just draft Bedard. He'll be elite and no one will care he's small. Even if he's a winger, he's got Ovechkin potential for scoring goals. 36 years old and he's keeping pace with kids in their early 20s. Bedard may not make it that long in the NHL, but he's got that same goal scorers nose. I want the kid who's life's mission is to score all the goals.
 

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Smith is having a season as good as Hughes and Hughes went #1 overall. Smith is smooth, great skater, puck skills, and he plays C. Can't pass that up. I think he's got higher upside than Benson

Hughes 50gp 25g 75a 100pts - 2pts/gm
Smith 36gp 28g 41a 69pts - ~2pts/gm
The thing that trips me up in these comparisons of USNTDP production, is that Gabe Perreault is doing it too. No one wants Gabe Perreault in the top six picks. So why does Smith deserve the special attention.
 
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Let's just draft Bedard. He'll be elite and no one will care he's small. Even if he's a winger, he's got Ovechkin potential for scoring goals. 36 years old and he's keeping pace with kids in their early 20s. Bedard may not make it that long in the NHL, but he's got that same goal scorers nose. I want the kid who's life's mission is to score all the goals.
There won't be much debate around here if we win the 1 OA lottery. Any other slot and we'll be divided multiple ways.
 

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I have a feeling our premier top pair D prospect won’t be with us until the 24 draft.

Also I’m sure Benson is great but if we come out of this draft that has been so hyped for having 3 franchise centers and a franchise wing at the top and end up with Benson I’ll be crushed.
I'll be crushed is we don't end up with Bedard.:laugh:
 

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Benson.


Benson is an elite prospect.
Could Benson's stats be a bit inflated because of the team he is on? Where would you place Cristall in the draft? He has a PPG of 1.72, Benson 1.64 and Bedard 2.50. Looking at the team standings only Benson is on a stacked team and leading in points. Both Benson and Cristall are small and as a side note, Cristall was drafted before Benson in the junior draft, which really doesn't mean much, but why isn't there much talk about Cristall?
 

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I'm still taking Smith 4th, he's better than Benson and plays the C position and then we are set at the C position for the next decade with 2 elite centers.

Keller/Cooley/Schmaltz
Maccelli/Smith/Guenther
I don't watch these kids, so I just go off the stat sheet and what is said about them. Not sure who is better between Smith and Benson, but size and position always rank high for me. It didn't work in the drafting of Strome though:laugh:
 

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Could Benson's stats be a bit inflated because of the team he is on? Where would you place Cristall in the draft? He has a PPG of 1.72, Benson 1.64 and Bedard 2.50. Looking at the team standings only Benson is on a stacked team and leading in points. Both Benson and Cristall are small and as a side note, Cristall was drafted before Benson in the junior draft, which really doesn't mean much, but why isn't there much talk about Cristall?
I don’t really care about Bensons stats. When you watch him play you can see he clearly a significantly better prospect than anyone else on that powerhouse team. And it’s not close.

Cristall doesn’t have the same same small area quickness, and motor. Benson is probably the best penalty killer in the WHL. And he’s an absolute goblin at stripping pucks. Relentless hound. I don’t see the same qualities in Cristall that differentiate Benson from the pack. Skills? You bet.
 

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I don’t really care about Bensons stats. When you watch him play you can see he clearly a significantly better prospect than anyone else on that powerhouse team. And it’s not close.

Cristall doesn’t have the same same small area quickness, and motor. Benson is probably the best penalty killer in the WHL. And he’s an absolute goblin at stripping pucks. Relentless hound. I don’t see the same qualities in Cristall that differentiate Benson from the pack. Skills? You bet.
I would take Bensen ahead of Savoie 100 times out of a 100. Bensen stirs the drink in Winnipeg and IMO it's not even close.
 

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I don’t really care about Bensons stats. When you watch him play you can see he clearly a significantly better prospect than anyone else on that powerhouse team. And it’s not close.

Cristall doesn’t have the same same small area quickness, and motor. Benson is probably the best penalty killer in the WHL. And he’s an absolute goblin at stripping pucks. Relentless hound. I don’t see the same qualities in Cristall that differentiate Benson from the pack. Skills? You bet.
Could there be a surprise pick in the top 5? Could Smith sneak in?
 

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Could there be a surprise pick in the top 5? Could Smith sneak in?
I wouldn’t say smith would be a surprise at 5th. The good Dr.VBB is likely not alone in preferring the taller center in Smith to the shorter winger in Benson.

For me, that’s equivalent to taking Fantilli over Bedard. But I don’t expect everyone to feel that way. Some could say they like Fantilli better than Bedard because he’s a big center and Bedard is a smaller winger. They could say since both are having monster statistical outputs relative to their age and league there’s no reason not to lean toward the more projectable physical qualities of Fantilli.

Now, none of us would agree with that because when you watch both play, Bedard is obviously a full tier ahead. That’s how i personally feel about Benson. But I’m not going to attack Smith because he’s also a great prospect. Just like I wouldn’t dog Fantilli just to highlight how much more I like Bedard.

I would take Bensen ahead of Savoie 100 times out of a 100. Bensen stirs the drink in Winnipeg and IMO it's not even close.
I agree. Where it gets difficult is Benson vs Cooley. On that I’ll say the last 12 months has mattered. Benson in Feb of his draft year has shown me MUCH more than Cooley in Feb of his draft year. But if you compare Cooley today to Benson today it’s close.
 
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It's exciting to think about getting a Benson, Bedard or Fantilli, but this is how I see the final rankings. Especially when you look at our February schedule and ability to play spoiler in March. I'm hoping for some lottery luck, because the names available where we pick are Dvorsky, Barlow, Ritchie, Cristall and Yager.
My guess is we end up drafting Dvorsky.
 
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It's exciting to think about getting a Benson, Bedard or Fantilli, but this is how I see the final rankings. Especially when you look at our February schedule and ability to play spoiler in March. I'm hoping for some lottery luck, because the names available where we pick are Dvorsky, Barlow, Ritchie, Cristall and Yager.
My guess is we end up drafting Dvorsky.
Dvorsky is my guy right now, outside of the obvious top guys.
 
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I just don't see how any publication can have any "D" inside the top 10...I just don't see any that are top 10 material. There are just too many top-flight forwards.
 

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He may never be a high energy guy, but he can play at pace and already has an NHL shot. Two goals versus Trinec today, one PP (above) and one 5v5. 10 pts in 35 games.

Edit- Hat trick. For context, Trinec is a good team, top 5 in Extraliga. Coming out party for the 17 yo.
 
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I have Dvorsky 7th but Barlow is nipping at his heels.

@Jagged Ice I think you may be underestimating the impact moving our deadline pieces will have on the team. Let's say Ritchie, Bjud, Ghost and Chychrun are all moved.

Keller-Hayton-Schmaltz
Maccelli-Boyd-Guenther
Crouse-Smith-Jenik
Carcone-McBain-Fischer
Kassian

Moser-Stecher
Brown-Valimaki
Nemeth-Soderstrom
Koly

It could get brutal. That's 1/3 an AHL roster.
 

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I have Dvorsky 7th but Barlow is nipping at his heels.

@Jagged Ice I think you may be underestimating the impact moving our deadline pieces will have on the team. Let's say Ritchie, Bjud, Ghost and Chychrun are all moved.

Keller-Hayton-Schmaltz
Maccelli-Boyd-Guenther
Crouse-Smith-Jenik
Carcone-McBain-Fischer
Kassian

Moser-Stecher
Brown-Valimaki
Nemeth-Soderstrom
Koly

It could get brutal. That's 1/3 an AHL roster.

Hope you're right but this is a well coached team for the amount of trash on it and I don't see a buyer for Chychrun at today's price.

I might be generous saying Nashville will beat us twice but here is February's best guess assuming we pick up no overtime loss points:
MIN - L
CHI - W
STL - W
NSH - L
TBL - L
LAK - L
CBJ - W
CGY - L
NSH - L
CHI - W
 
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