Prospect Info: 2023 Draft Thread (Yotes picking #6 & #12)

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Look how Cooley shoves Fantilli as he’s going in for the celly. Starts a minor scrum the cameras don’t show. Cooley is such a prick out there it’s crazy.

Pronman rated Geekie’s skating as below NHL average. But it seems to be the only weakness.

Pronman hates literally everyone’s skating. He gets called out for it by his own friends on his own show and he’s never been able to explain it. His standard for good appears to be among the greatest of all time. I remember him saying once that to be elite it would have to be like Bure. That’s absurd and isn’t applied to any other skill ratings. He never says a shot has to be Brett Hull or Alex Ovechkin to be elite. It’s honestly like a bizarre compulsion of his. He gets extremely froggy about it when it comes up on his show. He needs to take some kind of medication for it.

 

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Pronman rated Geekie’s skating as below NHL average. But it seems to be the only weakness.

Pronman hates everyones skating though.

 

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Look how Cooley shoves Fantilli as he’s going in for the celly. Starts a minor scrum the cameras don’t show. Cooley is such a prick out there it’s crazy.

Forgot they were playing tonight. Cooley with two assists and Fantilli a G&A. Gophs win in OT!

 

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Forgot they were playing tonight. Cooley with two assists and Fantilli a G&A. Gophs win in OT!

Brindley had a night, too. Him and Fantilli seem to be getting something going together.

 

[Dead Coyote]

I was curious, where is the line for you to trade the pick for multiple later picks? Is it wholely dependent on where the picks are or is a pick inside of a certain area untouchable to you?

I'm kinda thinking, if I'm holding 3, and Bedard and Fantilli are gone, I'd be willing to trade back for the right picks. I'm thinking like, Montreal ends up with like 7 and 15, we move 3 and 35, I'd be ok with that. I'd feel pretty confident walking away with like Dvorsky and Barlow/Reinbacher.

If we manage a 1st in 2023 for Chychrun, and if we're lucky, a 2023 1st for Gostisbehere, we could have a huge haul of high end prospects. I think that would also assist in me trading down a bit. Dvorsky, Reinbacher, Hrabal, Halttunen would be a pretty sweet package.

I think I'd be ok maintaining a similar pick ratio as the pick moved back, unless a player I really like is still on the board, and wont be later.

All that said, I'd prefer Bedard/Fantilli.

Absolutely not, you get that juju out of here. If we move more than 5 picks down I want someone's head to roll. And even then that's super debatable and would be a huge statement on who we draft, and unless it's guaranteed to be Michkov I want absolutely no part of that. I especially wouldn't move from 3, Carlsson is just as good as Fantilli if not better. At 4 if we think Michkov falls hard then I wouldn't hate it. I would love to get more 1sts, and I'd be willing to package assets to do that, but no way should we move out of top 4.

 

[Jakey53]

I don’t even really think Geekie has skating issues. He can skate extremely well for his size. But sometimes he doesn’t skate. That’s his problem is when he goes into autopilot and just cruises out there. If he’s switched to the “ON” position, he’s does everything really well, IMO. Including his skating. I’ve seen pissed off Geekie trying to make a statement and score a goal, have some unekiebave Tage Thompson style rushes.

I’m watching the first period of the Winnipeg and Prince Albert game now. Savoie/Benson make an incredible PK pair. They’ve broken one another for multiple rushes. They look great.

Geekie set Nash up for a glorious chance and he heeled it (runs in the family). Haha.

Ostapchuk’s hustle is good as always, he’s been handling passes like me though. Haha.

Benson is really making things happen from behind the net this season, it seems. Creative kid. And he doesn’t back down or take any schnit out there. He sticks up for himself every time. Savoie is like that too. Easy to cheer for both of them.

They interviewed Geekie when the Coyote's were in Winnipeg and he said he has been working on his skating.

 

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They interviewed Geekie when the Coyote's were in Winnipeg and he said he has been working on his skating.

maybe they can install little electrodes that zap him if he starts to sleep skate. Haha

 

[Jakey53]

maybe they can install little electrodes that zap him if he starts to sleep skate. Haha

That will happen when they send him to Tucson.

 

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That will happen when they send him to Tucson.

You should see him when he’s angry. It’s like Lindros. Or at least Primeau. Exciting.

 

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I will stop here:

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

if Benson could be Marchand then it would be a good pick in top 5...but he's not a dynamic skater and that always worries me with smaller players.

He at least has a go motor, but I'd still prefer Smith...I think Smith can be Pastrnak

 

[hbk]

He rambles on forever and gets so far off topic it’s hilarious but i will give Steve credit. He has an opinion and the hardest part of giving an opinion that can be somewhat based on personal views but also influenced by all this other information from the other “draft experts” is he isn’t just regurgitating someone else’s view. He tells it the way he sees it and even if it’s counter everyone else’s. He was a huge fan of Our Dudas pickin the 2nd round and nowhere else are you gonna get a 10 minute rant on an AZ 2nd rounder. Nowhere.

 

[Heldig]

Michkov may be generational but will he be allowed to leave Russia is the question.

 

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Michkov may be generational but will he be allowed to leave Russia is the question.

He will. And if he isn’t it means there’s a whole bunch of other stuff going on more important than hockey.

 

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[Freddy Sjostrom]

Michkov may be generational but will he be allowed to leave Russia is the question.

He will, SKA just wants a cut if he comes early.

 

[GhostofYotesFan47]

Absolutely not, you get that juju out of here. If we move more than 5 picks down I want someone's head to roll. And even then that's super debatable and would be a huge statement on who we draft, and unless it's guaranteed to be Michkov I want absolutely no part of that. I especially wouldn't move from 3, Carlsson is just as good as Fantilli if not better. At 4 if we think Michkov falls hard then I wouldn't hate it. I would love to get more 1sts, and I'd be willing to package assets to do that, but no way should we move out of top 4.

I did say I wasn’t high on Carlsson, by no fault of his own. I just haven't really seen the guy play. That was kind of the point of the question though, from the relative consensus, where do each of us draw a line where we'd be ok making a trade with the pick. Not saying it's the right move, I watch a decent amount of hockey, but it's not my profession. I'll be wrong more than right, likely by a large margin. There are 4 or 5 guys on this board that are grown adults, and have time to watch more hockey than I, which is both impressive and appreciated.

Based on the rough consensus rankings, and my own comfort, I'd be ok passing on Carlsson for 2 players in the top 15, vs 1 in the top 5 if it's not top 2. It's vary likely the wrong answer, but it's where I am today.

 

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3rd worst!

 

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3rd worst!

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I thought it was going to take much longer than January 21st to get here.

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

Remember when we were 12 points up on the hawks and were closer to the playoffs than the basement?

 

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I thought it was going to take much longer than January 21st to get here.

We need to double down and trade our first pairing like pronto.

Remember when we were 12 points up on the hawks and were closer to the playoffs than the basement?

The Christmas break really did these guys in haha.

 

[Grimes]

I think this tweet is a little disingenuous because as soon as he signed the contract to the KHL there were concerns. The Ukraine invasion understandably heightened them but they were there the day he signed.

Michkov may be generational but will he be allowed to leave Russia is the question.

Yes, no one doubt this. Unless things get much much worse and then like HBK said there are more important things than hockey to worry about.

 

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I think this tweet is a little disingenuous because as soon as he signed the contract to the KHL there were concerns. The Ukraine invasion understandably heightened them but they were there the day he signed.


Yes, no one doubt this. Unless things get much much worse and then like HBK said there are more important things than hockey to worry about.

Yeah, I like Steve but he’s very unique guy. He’s definitely got his own ideas. They’re often very different from mine.

 

[Dead Coyote]

I did say I wasn’t high on Carlsson, by no fault of his own. I just haven't really seen the guy play. That was kind of the point of the question though, from the relative consensus, where do each of us draw a line where we'd be ok making a trade with the pick. Not saying it's the right move, I watch a decent amount of hockey, but it's not my profession. I'll be wrong more than right, likely by a large margin. There are 4 or 5 guys on this board that are grown adults, and have time to watch more hockey than I, which is both impressive and appreciated.

Based on the rough consensus rankings, and my own comfort, I'd be ok passing on Carlsson for 2 players in the top 15, vs 1 in the top 5 if it's not top 2. It's vary likely the wrong answer, but it's where I am today.

Heeeell no. Passing on Carlsson for 2 guys in the top 10, sure, but 2 guys in the top 15, hell no. Trading back if we went past 8th or 9th would be fine too, but The top 4 are much better than everyone else, the top 10 are better then the rest, and the top 40 is the next divide. There's a ton of talent in the 1st round, but there's definitely a large divide between the top 4 and the rest. We still don't have a single elite prospect, but we do have lots of good ones. I want that elite prospect, and there are 4 guys in this draft who are all already that, and 4 more guys who have a good chance to become one. There's 4 guys like Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid and Matthews, and 4 more guys like MacKinnon, Draisatl, Marner and Malkin. Then there's 10-15 Getzlaf, Perry, Kane, Tavares, Rantanen types and another drop off.