So basically, pick 8/9 is your cut off to trade the pick. What if we had 2 and the team at 4 offered 4 and another top 15 selection? Would you do that? I wouldn't, but do you value Fantilli, Carlsson, and Michkov relatively evenly?
I absolutely would take 4 and a top 15 pick for 2, that's a huge overpayment. At minimum Michkov will still be there and potentially Carlsson/Fantilli could be as well.
If we won 2nd overall in the lottery, and I was in charge when we were on the clock, and someone called to offer me 4th and 15th, I’d throw my phone across the room at them and sprint as fast as I could to the stage to pick Fantilli.
Depends on who our scouts have as BPA and how confident they are he will be available at 4.
Which is completely fair if you think Fantilli is that much better than Carlsson and Michkov, and I could definitely see BA thinking that, but as someone who has Carlsson 2nd over Fantilli (despite having Fantilli 1st a while back) and thinks Michkov is the 2nd most talented player (and possibly most talented, but that's a long shot) in the draft, I make that deal 10/10 times, moving up 2 spots never costs another 1st round pick, any team would be crazy to offer that.
I don’t know. Fantilli is the total package. He doesn’t have size/Russia issues like Michkov nor skating issues like Carlsson. He’s big, fast, skilled, mean, can shoot, pass, and hit. Plays with all the swagger you could want. And is even a very funny/entertaining off ice personality. He’s like the ‘23 version of Jeremy Roenick. Or like a 3rd Tkachuk brother. He’s perfect for what BA is building. I’d kill to add this player.
I feel like we’ve already got quality. More quality is in order. Well, we need both. And I want both. But I’m not selling quality for quantity. I don’t want to trade down from anywhere.
I don't want to trade down either.
Carlsson is slower in all ways than Fantilli, imo. Carlsson is really good. I’ve got him 3rd on my list. He’s really smooth and smart. But he’s not quick. He can be sometimes lumbering from the ive s to m and have a slow pace at times. Fantilli isn’t that way at all. Much more explosive. Carlsson isn’t explosive. Also, Carlsson has played wing all year in the SEL from the what I’ve seen and at the WJC and most of last season, I’ve read. Fantilli is a C through and through. And that showed at the WJC, IMO.
Fantilli played wing at the WJC a bunch. Carlsson has played C in Liiga predominantly, I think he's much better all round. He sees the ice very well and his positioning is great, both things you need to be an elite 2 way center. He definitely doesn't have the explosiveness Fantilli does in his skating but he's not slow either, he takes massive strides because he's just that big. Fantilli doesn't see the transition side nearly as well as Carlsson although he's not bad. I really thought Carlsson was much more impressive than Fantilli at the WJC. Played on a worse team with worse linemates and still put up the same points, and Fantilli had a fair few bonehead defensive plays. The first couple of games he was a liability at times. I think Carlsson might have better decision making as well.
I don’t think I explained myself well. I meant that both played wing at the WJC (Fantilli played all three positions and on three lines). I was intending to convey that I believe Carlsson looked more comfortable there because it’s been the position he’s been playing in the SEL for most of this season and last. He’s not in Liiga.
My bad, got him confused because I was just looking at Raty...think I got confused with the SHL/SEL stuff.
I know we joke about it but BA has been part of a scouting staff in St. Louis that picked a bunch of small skilled forwards in the first round. Tarasenko, Fabbri, Schmaltz, Kyrou, Thomas.... Some of those guys may have size but they have a lot of guys who are more regarded for their skill than known for their size.
I think they both project as centers too. I just like Fantilli more because of his speed, flash, and swagger. I agree that Carlsson is much more “solid”. Fantilli is more like a 6’2 Cooley.
| 1 | C | Bedard | Regina |
| 2 | C | Fantilli | Michigan |
| 3 | C | Carlsson | Orebo |
| 4 | RW | Michkov | Sochi |
| 5 | LW | Bensen | Winnipeg |
| 6 | C | Smith | USNDP |
| 7 | C | Yager | Moose Jaw |
| 8 | LW | Barlow | Owen Sound |
| 9 | C | Dvorsky | AIK |
| 10 | RW | Leonard | USNDP |
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Agree, also interesting to see Sandin-Pellikka down at 17. Weak year for defensemen. Who you guys like in the second round?
What I’m hoping for as of January (haha)Connor Bedard stays No.1 in TSN's Bob Mckenzie's 2023 NHL mid-season Draft Ranking
Connor Bedard stays No.1 in TSN's Bob Mckenzie's 2023 NHL mid-season Draft Ranking | TSN
Whatever faint hope may have existed for a battle atop the 2023 NHL draft board looks to be gone, gone, gone. A goner courtesy of Connor.
I love Strbak.
