Prospect Info: 2023 Draft Thread (Yotes picking #6 & #12)

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Will Scouch doesn’t like him. He’s got him ranked 19th and had this to say about it:

Michkov has been underwhelming in my viewings where I am not at all convinced he's a top 5 or even a top 10 option considering the performances of the players in the tier above to this point.
He's highly skilled and has great awareness to fill space in the offensive zone to generate his chances, but he's often a very poor puck distributor, with some soft passing into careless space that can be easily picked off. He skates into pressure constantly and tries to challenge players one on one with predictable skill moves and simply will not chip the puck if he can't get his way through the pressure.
I've seen countless transitions get wasted through overhandling, overconfidence, and errant passing combined with a relatively low pace of play that has simply flipped the script on him. In my view, he was high on my board for a while because, while I had concerns before the year, he scores so much that he deserved a high slot.
Now, many other players have shown better in my view, and Michkov in the VHL has been a major mixed bag in my tracking at 5v5 in terms of projecting to the NHL.
Now that he's headed to a young team in Sochi that likely will give him a strong KHL role, I have all the time in the world for him to prove that he's the elite scorer he's reputed to be at a higher level with other high pace and unrefined young players, but for now, I see a very skilled winger with a strong mind for earning scoring chances off-puck, with significant issues both on and off the puck that could limit his outlook to a more conservative role in the NHL, at least at even strength.


Scouch is one of the more “unique” video/social media/indie “scouts” out there. But he’s got a pretty big following and makes interesting content, regardless of how much stock you put into his opinions.

^ I don’t put much stock into his opinions personally. But I do appreciate the content he puts out and I also appreciate a counterpoint to the consensus opinion on a lot players. It’s good to see a little devils advocate. Most guys act like every player in the first round is nearly perfect.
 

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I don't even know what to say about Scouching rankings...he talks about some guys and their pass rates/success rates like they're nothing, but statistically speaking can't be the truth, because of the # of pts these players are picking up...makes no sense.

For instance, he talks glowingly about Oliver Moore "Moore is one of the better puck manipulators when it comes to creation of passing lanes and running pucks up the ice in a variety of ways through a strong set of crossovers and a confidence to attack different rushing lanes", Moore has 18g 23a 41pts in 31games

Then he talks about Barlow "There isn't much in the way of pass volume or success, and has some of the lowest rates of shot assists and dangerous passes of anyone tracked", but yet Barlow has 26g 21a 47pts in 34 games, statistically it can't be true given his production. He wouldn't have such great stats if that were the case because only 13pts of his 47 have come via PP. So he's stronger 5on5 than 90% of the players that have more points than he does...so a lot of what he is saying is just counter to what statistics prove.
 

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I don't even know what to say about Scouching rankings...he talks about some guys and their pass rates/success rates like they're nothing, but statistically speaking can't be the truth, because of the # of pts these players are picking up...makes no sense.

For instance, he talks glowingly about Oliver Moore "Moore is one of the better puck manipulators when it comes to creation of passing lanes and running pucks up the ice in a variety of ways through a strong set of crossovers and a confidence to attack different rushing lanes", Moore has 18g 23a 41pts in 31games

Then he talks about Barlow "There isn't much in the way of pass volume or success, and has some of the lowest rates of shot assists and dangerous passes of anyone tracked", but yet Barlow has 26g 21a 47pts in 34 games, statistically it can't be true given his production. He wouldn't have such great stats if that were the case because only 13pts of his 47 have come via PP. So he's stronger 5on5 than 90% of the players that have more points than he does...so a lot of what he is saying is just counter to what statistics prove.
Primary assists vs secondary would explain at least some of that.

EDIT: Could. Not would.
 

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These two points have me believing that Reinbacher will be our pick if we fall outside the top 5. Our scouts have also been leaning in to the German speaking leagues lately with Moser, Lutz and Szuber.

Coyotes bypass Will Smith to take David Reinbacher at 5 in EP mock.

Haha. Looks like Cam Robinson mis-read my post. I said "outside the top 5".
 
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The Scouching article is too much info for me. The EP a bit better but still more info than I can process. Here's another list and more limited info I can handle.


If you take Michkov's write up and remove the sentence about his contract, you could plug Cooley in his place.
 

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Button has him @ 35, about where we pick in the 2nd. I'd be ecstatic!
I realize where he plays may be under scouted, but most independent scouts seem to be in love with another RHD Sandin Pellikka as the top defenseman. At 5, I can’t see BA selecting Reinbacher, but it is a premium position and the kid has size and physicality he wants. Do you think Reinbachers age would scare him away- if it’s even a possibility?
 

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I'd be cool adding Reinbacher, but not inside the top 10. 11-32 is totally fine with me. Would be cool to end up with 2 1st round picks in the right areas.

1. Bedard
19. Reinbacher
28. Hrabal

Gives us a higher pick at 3 key positions. I'd bet a Moser - Reinbacher pair would be sick.

Moser - Reinbacher
Lilleberg - Lamoureux
Kolyachonok - Soderstrom

Every defenseman is from a different country which is kinda cool.
 

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I realize where he plays may be under scouted, but most independent scouts seem to be in love with another RHD Sandin Pellikka as the top defenseman. At 5, I can’t see BA selecting Reinbacher, but it is a premium position and the kid has size and physicality he wants. Do you think Reinbachers age would scare him away- if it’s even a possibility?
Most likely our 1st pick will be a center. Hopefully a lottery pick. From my understanding @ the worlds, Reinbacher had great poise, but no way should be considered as our 1st pick. Button also had Stramel @ 44.
 

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Will Scouch doesn’t like him. He’s got him ranked 19th and had this to say about it:








Scouch is one of the more “unique” video/social media/indie “scouts” out there. But he’s got a pretty big following and makes interesting content, regardless of how much stock you put into his opinions.

^ I don’t put much stock into his opinions personally. But I do appreciate the content he puts out and I also appreciate a counterpoint to the consensus opinion on a lot players. It’s good to see a little devils advocate. Most guys act like every player in the first round is nearly perfect.
I absolutely disagree with this. I've watched about 30-50% of Michkov's games. He has a few issues with puck handling, and he isn't a super strong possession player, but there's completely valid reasons for this. For one thing, he's super small and light. He's reportedly at about 150 lbs at 5'10ish which is super super light, and he doesn't yet have the leg/core strength or reach to be able to protect the puck super well when he makes these drives. He looks like a freaking midget out there compared to the men he's playing against.

Here's the thing though. He doesn't need to drive through the play or deke around 5 guys to score a goal. He certainly can, at times, because his stick handling and speed is no joke. But his real strength is that he creates space around him and thinks the game at a superior split second level, his release is lethal, he can score from anywhere on the ice because he a) releases it so fast, it's barely on his stick before it's flying into the net and b) he can elevate it and pinpoint where it's going to go from anywhere with that same speed. It shows too that he can take away the puck, create odd man situations, and see openings with his superior hockey IQ. That's what makes him such a good goal scorer. He's always dangerous because he can capitalize on mistakes and situations in a split second. It's true that he doesn't often dump and chase, that's not his game and it would be a huge waste to do so.

His teammates aren't exactly the best either, which is part of the reason why he holds onto the puck for too long sometimes and tries to do too much. But that's a super common issue in these kinds of situations, and Sochi is hot garbage as a team. SKA was good but he wasn't played in the top 6 a whole lot.

Just look at this video to see what I mean by creating space



Look at how far away from the forwards defending him at the point he is, and how much he does with that space. Look at how quick his release or passes are. He's going to be absolutely lethal in the NHL and on the PP when he gets some good talent to work with. He definitely has some questions due to his size and strength but his game translates really well to the NHL and once he comes over here and starts eating some cheeseburgers he could potentially be 5 inches and 30 lbs bigger.
 
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I honestly might consider playing Lukas Dragicevic as a winger. The guy with the puck has some good puck protection skill and a pretty decent shot from the point, but at 5v5 his offensive transition results have been poor, especially when relying on passes, his puck distribution in the offensive zone is almost non-existent, and he's by far the least involved defensive transition defender I've tracked... maybe ever, sitting below 2%. I have tracked zero stick checks and zero physical plays in transition all year. Yes, he's scoring, but I think there's a long way to go for NHL upside.
I seriously have no idea what the hell Scouching is thinking here. This is the most wild take I've ever seen in regards to Dragicevic. He's a FANTASTIC transition player, His stickwork isn't amazing by any means, but to say it's non existent is...something. He doesn't just sit there like a bump on the log skating backwards and letting the opponent do whatever they want. He takes away lanes really well and anticipates moves, he needs to clean up his defensive work a bit but this take is just baffling to me. Like I just seriously can't get over this. Dragicivec is a fantastic skater, his edgework and mobility is top notch, his speed is great, his stamina is great. He will routinely exit the zone by having a better motor than the player on him and leave them in the dust by 3 or 4 strides. He uses his stick at the right time to take away the puck and then uses that same skating to try and exit the zone.

His offensive instincts are fantastic, he'll routinely jump up into the play to prevent the puck from moving out of the zone and he loves to get the puck to the net, his speed and mobility let him pinch up without a ton of fear. His shot is good but not amazing, his passing in the defensive zone is okay but he usually tries to rely on himself to get the puck out by skating it out of his own zone, he distributes the puck well in the offensive zone though and gets it to the net a lot. He protects the puck generally fairly well but needs to put on some size and strength which will likely come with time.

RE: Dvorsky Most players from HockeyAllsvenskan drafted extremely high in the draft score significantly more than Dvorsky, and if it were a case of the puck just not going in for him, I'd be clearly stating that
He seems to be forgetting here that Dvorsky is playing against men in a league above nearly every other play in this draft and that when he was in the U20 league performed very well and performed pretty well at the WJC as well despite limited ice time and playing above his teams weight class. He isn't exactly the most offensive player for sure, but he definitely has upside and is already a good all rounder, so while he has some problems he doesn't deserve to be this low.

The lack of Kantserov in these rankings greatly disturbs me. Kid is one of the best in the VHL and he isn't even ranked among the russians. I also have a personal bias towards NDN but it's a bit strange that there's no mention of him either. He also has Smith pretty low and Perrault is nowhere to be seen here which honestly makes less than zero sense. He has Gulyayev and Perron in the top 10 (I can't speak to Perron but Gulyayev IMO is like the 3rd or 4th best Russian prospect this year depending on how you rate Simashev with Kantserov and Michkov clearly above him). He seemingly has watched the USHL a bunch, given his rating of Fantilli, but has some otherwise very strange takes about US hockey.
 

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The shot at the 2:50 mark is filthy.
For me I think I'll be thinking about Michkov on the halfboards on the PP in my dreams tonight. It doesn't even matter where you pass it to him, he somehow gets a wicked shot off that goes in.
 

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I'm curious to see if Michkov shows up at the actual drafts like some other Russians did during the last draft. Should say a lot in itself.
 

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I feel like we’ve got a shot at 3rd worst. And that’s not a huge jump for a nice lotto win. Odds of getting jumped twice are pretty low, too.
So they "WIN" if they win the lottery or both teams in front of them win both!
~ 30% chance 1 of those 3 scenarios happen. It goes up to 60% at 2nd worse.
 
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I feel like we’ve got a shot at 3rd worst. And that’s not a huge jump for a nice lotto win. Odds of getting jumped twice are pretty low, too.
I'm mentally preparing to end up with Mitchkov at 4 or 5. Worst case scenario type stuff.
 
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