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Prospect Info: 2023 Draft Thread (Yotes picking #6 & #12)

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1. CHI-Befard
2. ANA-Fantilli
3. CBJ-Carlsson
4. SJS-Smith
5. MTL-Leonard
6. WSH-Michkov**
7. PHI-Reinbacher
8. ARI-Dvorsky**

**ARI trades 6th to WSH for 8th, Alexander Alexeyev, and Vincent Iorio.
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How about Fehérváry instead. We need all the Slovaks.
 
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Mosby said:
2015 NHL draft rankings

Dylan Strome 6’3”
Mitch Marner 5’11”

We still talking about height?
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i had Marner ahead in my rankings. It was close though. Spent a ton of time watching OHL games that year.
 
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As a short man, and one who routinely fought and sparred with much taller men, it really is a truism that "all things being equal, size rules.". A small player must have a demonstrable advantage in skill level to compete. Average skaters with a 6-3 frame can make it. Average skaters who are 5-9 cannot.

I would only draft a small player who has that superior skill, like Keller or Michkov. Otherwise I go with Dvorsky, Smith. Leonard is an outlier. He plays bigger than his height, or so I'm told.
 
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I mean, really, the height argument is kinda dumb (and I'm including myself in that assessment since I'm talking about it). But like Bonsai said above, the lower the height numbers go, the higher the skill, speed, agility, and strength need to be to compensate.

So if Michkov has Bedard-level skill but Strome-level skating, it's a concern of mine. If you have a guy who's 5'10" who doesn't have elite core strength, he's gonna get bodied by a slower, taller guy... just hard to get around that.

The modern game makes a lot of allowances for height both ways. It's all contextual.
 
The Feckless Puck said:
I mean, really, the height argument is kinda dumb (and I'm including myself in that assessment since I'm talking about it). But like Bonsai said above, the lower the height numbers go, the higher the skill, speed, agility, and strength need to be to compensate.

So if Michkov has Bedard-level skill but Strome-level skating, it's a concern of mine. If you have a guy who's 5'10" who doesn't have elite core strength, he's gonna get bodied by a slower, taller guy... just hard to get around that.

The modern game makes a lot of allowances for height both ways. It's all contextual.
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Michkov has elite level hockey sense. Best in the draft.
 
hbk said:
Michkov has elite level hockey sense. Best in the draft.
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Great! So did Strome, IIRC. I remember on the draft show they said, "Strome has the best hockey sense of anyone in the top five" or something like that.

Skating is an issue. The modern game is all speed and agility and reflex, and what works on KHL ice doesn't always translate to NHL ice. So if Michkov has any questionable aspects of his skating, it concerns me at his size. Spending three more years on KHL ice isn't going to make me feel any better, either.
 
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Great! So did Strome, IIRC. I remember on the draft show they said, "Strome has the best hockey sense of anyone in the top five" or something like that.

Skating is an issue. The modern game is all speed and agility and reflex, and what works on KHL ice doesn't always translate to NHL ice. So if Michkov has any questionable aspects of his skating, it concerns me at his size. Spending three more years on KHL ice isn't going to make me feel any better, either.
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it translated really well at the U18's in Texas when he was named tournament MVP (ahead of Bedard) as an underager.
 
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hbk said:
it translated really well at the U18's in Texas when he was named tournament MVP (ahead of Bedard) as an underager.
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Good to know, but U18s are, as you know, hard to project to the NHL.

I could be utterly wrong about Michkov. Hell, I wanted us to draft Zadina a couple years ago, and that would have been a huge mistake. I also wanted Strome more than anyone during his draft, and I got burned by that as well. So I'm eminently capable of being - and likely to be - wildly wrong about this. But that doesn't make me feel any better.
 
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I can't see us doing it, nor Briere paying the price. I think the price we have discussed about the Caps would be enough for SJ to take.
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i think all this talk about Michkov is going to force Washington to make a deal to move up because he isn't going to make it to 8. Whether that's AZ trading down or Montreal/San Jose someone is going to do it IMO. too much smoke right now.
 
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Trading from six to four will only guarantee one of Smith or Leonard. That's going to be too rich for BA, who likely has no interest in Michkov. I would think the Sharks would be all over Michkov but what do I know.
 
Freddy Sjostrom said:
It’s lying season, but lots of smoke around Leonard to MTL.
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I there are also rumors that Philly wants Michkov. And Bob said yesterday he doesn’t think we do. Sets up a perfect scenario for a trade.

We want Leonard but Montreal is taking him. So now Michkov falls and we aren’t going to do that. So now Washington knows Michkov isn’t getting past Philly. And maybe we’re also taking calls from Detroit and St Louis.

I went on the Caps sub forum and proposed Michkov for 8+Fehervary and the majority agreed to it or where open to it.
 
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I don’t recall the last time a team used players plus their own pick to move up in the draft. It’s always a pile of picks for the highest pick.
 
Mosby said:
I don’t recall the last time a team used players plus their own pick to move up in the draft. It’s always a pile of picks for the highest pick.
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Sometimes it’s just a player for a pick. Schneider and DeBrincat come to mind.

I think we’re different. We are trying to add young NHL ready talent (if you buy the rumors, like Rossi) and we have too many picks. Like literally too many. Extra 2nds and 3rds don’t move the needle at all.
 
Scott Wheeler just said on the Athletic podcast that Arizona took Dvorsky, Reinbacher, Leonard, Willander, Benson, and Yager to dinners.

Wheeler said when he was writing he deep dive on Dvorsky, in doing his research, his AIK contacts said that the team that had been on Dvorsky the most all year was far and away “bar none” the Arizona Coyotes. And that plus the dinner they had with him makes it 50/50 they take Dvorsky. He believes they really, really like Dvorsky.

 
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Reading all the posts about Washington moving up and taking MM. They are throwing everything to move up 2 for him. IN BA WE TRUST!
 
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