I don't think Lipkin is doing that and I know for sure Cooley isn't. But you're not wrong to apply that strategy.
Prospect Info: 2023 Draft Thread (Yotes picking #6 & #12)
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Vinny Boombatz
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Well, I certainly wouldn't draft any kid that is going to play for Harvard or any of the Ivy league schools, but I don't think you can limit the selection base by removing all college players
I don't think anyone should be worried about Cooley wanting to play here. Not only had he been vocal about being happy about being drafted by the 'yotes, even Cutter Gauthier said it in his own interview that Cooley was drafted by the team Cooley himself wanted.
It would help if he got someone on his line who could score or had any semblance of top PP time. He needs to be better though. He looks absolutely huge against Moose Jaw. I’m not sure if the Warriors are just small or if Geekie is still growing.
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I'm starting to hope we get Stenberg at 12, because realistically I think that's about where he goes and is the best option
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There are always kids that jump up with a big u18, maybe he’s another case of that. Going 12th would be a big jump. McKenzie’s scouting poll had him 28th at mid-season. Wheeler had him 32nd on his last ranking and Pronman didn’t have him in the top 34.
It could happen. His u20 production for Frolunda seems pretty ho-hum, though. Especially compared to the Swedes who blew up the u20 league last draft and went in the 1st. Any insight as to why his numbers don’t pop?
Ohgren, Bystadt, Ostlund, and Lekkerimaki all put up bigger numbers last season in the same league. Heck, even Dvorsky last year, in his D-1 had much better u20 production.
Just curious if there are mitigating factors.
Vinny Boombatz
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that is the one thing, Stenberg's regular season production isn't great, I thought for sure he had done better
He heard you grumbling Jakey.
Ice were down 2 goals to none but he's tied it up with a pair.
He finished the hat trick with an empty netter. The play-by-play guy gave a big Coyote howl.
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He was 12th among U18s last year as a 16yo in that exact same league as all those others. This year he has to share the spotlight with NDN and Estrom. Plus he's being asked to take on more of a defensive role, and scoring is down as a whole. I don't think he's really changed much as a player or lost anything. But I didn't really watch last year so I'm not sure. I'm also not sure .92 versus 1.2 is a huge difference. For the record last year Ohgren had the 3rd best season of all time (and the highest PPG with more than 20 games), Suzdalev had the 11th, and Bystedt had the 18th among U18s.
Lots of guys have had similar or worse seasons, and I think honestly his eye test is so much better than everyone elses- maybe it's just the WJC but he could have easily had 10 pts those games.
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Wondering about all of our personal biases. Most prospects outside of the elite, have one or more “red flags” or at the very least, one or more “qualities” that lag behind their overall package.
For me, I’m most willing to overlook “size” and least willing to overlook “motor” - there are other issues in between. Like, skating, smarts, top end skill, or coachability.
I think when we’re looking at picks 6-12, we’re looking at kids who have one or more of these issues.
I’m wondering which of these you guys can accept more, and which of them are more like deal breakers for you all, personally.
For me, I’m most willing to overlook “size” and least willing to overlook “motor” - there are other issues in between. Like, skating, smarts, top end skill, or coachability.
I think when we’re looking at picks 6-12, we’re looking at kids who have one or more of these issues.
I’m wondering which of these you guys can accept more, and which of them are more like deal breakers for you all, personally.
That's the order I would want in a player when evaluating. I may have to put character right up there. There are other factors as well, but these are the most important in my opinion. Every GM, or most GM's have their own list when evaluating a player. I wonder how most do it. Is it a checked box, or maybe a total points thing, like so many points for skating etc.?
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Arizonatah Coyetis
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This is my order of importance:
- Hockey Sense
- Puck Skills
- Motor
- Skating
- Work Ethic (Coachability, leadership qualities, etc.)
- Size & Strength
I feel like good sense, puck skills, and motor can somewhat make up for skating issues. I could flip placement of skating and work ethic depending on the prospect. Work ethic is important and can be the difference maker in player improvement, but it can't fix every player's issue(s) so I'd rather they have the sense, skills, and skating at least at an average level to begin with. Size is important too, but having a size issue on your roster is easy to fix via trade.
Very few players are effective in NHL that have skating issues. A player would have to be extraordinary with other assets for me to overlook below average skating.
Arizonatah Coyetis
Formerly Kai Yo T
I agree. That's what I mean by "I'd rather have sense, skills, and skating at least at an average level to begin with." There's also plenty of great skaters that didn't amount to much either. I don't think great skating compensates for as much as sense, skill, and motor can. That's why I have them higher.
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