2023 Draft Discussion

[Vector Cereal]

I’m a big NTDP believer. I like Leonard’s game, he’s definitely in that mix at #9 for me.

I do think I’m a little more worried than other posters about how much offense he gives you on a Wings team that sorely lacks players who transition the puck effectively and create high danger chances in the offensive zone.

Like the player, like the skill set he would bring to our prospect pool, but I’m not sure he’s my first choice with the pick.

Moore is kind of a similar issue for me. He’s in that mix, I get why people are drawn to the player. But I’d rather a 6’1, north south winger with a plus shot and good workrate in Barlow for example. I feel like for every 1 prospect in Moore’s mold who really explodes there’s a good handful who don’t bring much beyond their plus skating ability.

I’d be thrilled with Barlow at either of our two firsts. I think he deserves the same hype that Leonard is getting. Unreal shot but can also score at the crease. Smart player and from interviews he seems like a real student of the game. Skates well enough for his size and can pk. Makes me wonder if any teams see him as a possible center convert. Young captain is always a plus

 

[Realgud]

But , what about his hockey IQ and work ethics. Most importantly is he a driver or passenger, how is he near boards?

The best iq + work ethic combo in the draft (imo)

 

[Orthodox Caveman]

My interest in researching prospects is as low as it was before 2018. Just waiting to hear who Yzerman picks and hope they're homeruns.

 

[jfrank21]

But , what about his hockey IQ and work ethics. Most importantly is he a driver or passenger, how is he near boards?

IQ, skill and work ethic are all very good. He's definitely a driver and he is elusive enough along the boards to win puck battles. Like others have touched on, he has elite quickness in tight. If the draft plays out like Pronman and Wheeler mocked, Benson is a great choice at that spot. He's better than Savoie, who went 9th last year.

 

[Pavels Dog]

They’re examples of elite players. Point and Kucherov are sub 6 feet and led a dynasty to multiple cups.

Agree , both Bedard and Michkov not answer for us.

If you think Benson is going to be anything close to Point/Kucherov/Bedard/Michkov then yes, draft him. That kind of goes without saying.

 

[Ulysses31]

Simashev looking like a LD version of seider who can do everything. Been rocketing up a lot of draft boards.

 

[Frk It]

Simashev looking like a LD version of seider who can do everything. Been rocketing up a lot of draft boards.

Simashev and But have a huge range of opinions on them. I also don't really know I would put a lot of stock into a public scouting services opinions on those players that don't actually have to put their neck on the line to pick them.

On Bob's mid-season ranking with feedback from NHL scouts Simashev was #35. We will see where he is at on his final list within the next few weeks.

Feels a lot like last year where everyone said Gleb Trikozov was a 1st rounder and riser and then he got picked 60th.

The Russian factor is a real thing for NHL teams right now.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

Wouldnt surprise me if Danielson is the guy at #9.

Also, just feels like, if we keep all 3 seconds, one of them will be Dower-Nilsson, feels like a Hakan type pick for sure.

 

[lilidk]

Simashev and But have a huge range of opinions on them. I also don't really know I would put a lot of stock into a public scouting services opinions on those players that don't actually have to put their neck on the line to pick them.

On Bob's mid-season ranking with feedback from NHL scouts Simashev was #35. We will see where he is at on his final list within the next few weeks.

Feels a lot like last year where everyone said Gleb Trikozov was a 1st rounder and riser and then he got picked 60th.

The Russian factor is a real thing for NHL teams right now.

I whoud take Trikozov over Buchelnikov last draft

Wouldnt surprise me if Danielson is the guy at #9.

Also, just feels like, if we keep all 3 seconds, one of them will be Dower-Nilsson, feels like a Hakan type pick for sure.

If Yzerman likes Danielson that much , he should trade down for him if he could of course

 

[Frk It]

Wouldnt surprise me if Danielson is the guy at #9.

Also, just feels like, if we keep all 3 seconds, one of them will be Dower-Nilsson, feels like a Hakan type pick for sure.

I have been hoping we somehow get Wood/Danielson with our top 2 picks. I am probably in the minority on this, but I just see the eventual fit being really nice for us. Could see a future top 9 that would have Wood on the top line with Raymond and Larkin, and then you can slot Danielson and Kasper as your 2 and 3 C for the foreseeable future. Just let them duke it out.

Was thinking Wood at 9 and Danielson at 17, but to your point I don't know Danielson makes it to 17. I think he is someone that NHL teams will really like, probably more than most internet scouts.

 

[lilidk]

I have been hoping we somehow get Wood/Danielson with our top 2 picks. I am probably in the minority on this, but I just see the eventual fit being really nice for us. Could see a future top 9 that would have Wood on the top line with Raymond and Larkin, and then you can slot Danielson and Kasper as your 2 and 3 C for the foreseeable future. Just let them duke it out.

Was thinking Wood at 9 and Danielson at 17, but to your point I don't know Danielson makes it to 17. I think he is someone that NHL teams will really like, probably more than most internet scouts.

Danielson is big center, who could skate, should be drafted between 8 and 12. Wonder , could Washington give us surprise

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

I’d be thrilled with Barlow at either of our two firsts. I think he deserves the same hype that Leonard is getting. Unreal shot but can also score at the crease. Smart player and from interviews he seems like a real student of the game. Skates well enough for his size and can pk. Makes me wonder if any teams see him as a possible center convert. Young captain is always a plus

I’m not quite there on the center thing, I think it’s pretty rare we see guys make that swap after their draft year and I’m not sure Barlow has the vision or tempo control to play through the center of the ice.

The rest I’m definitely with you on though. I think the things Barlow does effectively scale up really nicely. I could see Seider and Edvinsson baiting in the forechecking and springing Barlow in transition really effectively, think he’s a good fit with the group we have going. One of my first options at #9, if he’s there at #17 somehow then even better I suppose, although I wouldn’t bet on it personally.

 

[Frk It]

I’m not quite there on the center thing, I think it’s pretty rare we see guys make that swap after their draft year and I’m not sure Barlow has the vision or tempo control to play through the center of the ice.

The rest I’m definitely with you on though. I think the things Barlow does effectively scale up really nicely. I could see Seider and Edvinsson baiting in the forechecking and springing Barlow in transition really effectively, think he’s a good fit with the group we have going. One of my first options at #9, if he’s there at #17 somehow then even better I suppose, although I wouldn’t bet on it personally.

I feel like every highlight I have seen of Barlow scoring a goal starts with him skating into the zone out wide.

Have a really hard time seeing him not being a winger as a pro.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

I whoud take Trikozov over Buchelnikov last draft


If Yzerman likes Danielson that much , he should trade down for him if he could of course

I have been hoping we somehow get Wood/Danielson with our top 2 picks. I am probably in the minority on this, but I just see the eventual fit being really nice for us. Could see a future top 9 that would have Wood on the top line with Raymond and Larkin, and then you can slot Danielson and Kasper as your 2 and 3 C for the foreseeable future. Just let them duke it out.

Was thinking Wood at 9 and Danielson at 17, but to your point I don't know Danielson makes it to 17. I think he is someone that NHL teams will really like, probably more than most internet scouts.

I see Danielson a bit like the Seider situation. A lot of people said after that draft that Yzerman should of traded down. I dont think he could, because rumors came out later that Edmonton would of taken him at 8.

Feels like the same here, sure a trade down would be nice, but it would probably cost Yzerman the guy he wants, so he will just take him at 9.

 

[NickH8]

I see Danielson a bit like the Seider situation. A lot of people said after that draft that Yzerman should of traded down. I dont think he could, because rumors came out later that Edmonton would of taken him at 8.

Feels like the same here, sure a trade down would be nice, but it would probably cost Yzerman the guy he wants, so he will just take him at 9.

I really don't see Yzerman passing on offense at 9. They really hammered home that they need offense in the end of the year presser. If any big forward gets taken its Wood or Leonard who both have plus shots and are easier to translate as NHL scorers than Danielson. Perreault (elite playmaking) or Dvorsky (his offense is underrated) wouldn't surprise me either.
Plus the whole Yzerman likes big industrious guys thing is overblown. Only Seider and average sized Kasper really fit that bill of our first round picks. Edvinsson was a swing for the fences upside pick, and Raymond is the exact small forward people use that argument to detract against.

 

[Frk It]

I really don't see Yzerman passing on offense at 9. They really hammered home that they need offense in the end of the year presser. If any big forward gets taken its Wood or Leonard who both have plus shots and are easier to translate as NHL scorers than Danielson. Perreault (elite playmaking) or Dvorsky (his offense is underrated) wouldn't surprise me either.
Plus the whole Yzerman likes big industrious guys thing is overblown. Only Seider and average sized Kasper really fit that bill of our first round picks. Edvinsson was a swing for the fences upside pick, and Raymond is the exact small forward people use that argument to detract against.

Getting more and more to the point where I am not expecting Leonard to be there at 9.

And I think this “Detroit might be higher on Danielson than the consensus” is a pretty valid/likely scenario. Not saying it will be the pick at 9, but I’m saying it would not shock me and people shouldn’t dismiss it.

 

[NickH8]

Getting more and more to the point where I am not expecting Leonard to be there at 9.

And I think this “Detroit might be higher on Danielson than the consensus” is a pretty valid/likely scenario. Not saying it will be the pick at 9, but I’m saying it would not shock me and people shouldn’t dismiss it.

Its valid, but what is it based on? Just pure speculation at this point.

 

[Frk It]

Its valid, but what is it based on? Just pure speculation at this point.

Based on he excels at similar things as players they have taken in recent years such as Marco Kasper, Carter Mazur, Dylan James, etc

 

[WingsToPick4th]

Id be pretty bummed with Danielson at 9, I get it he is a C but we need ELITE TALENT. no more middle 6 Cs with work ethic, we need ELITE scoring/playmakers. We have so many picks it is time to swing for the fences on UPSIDE.

9OA - Benson/Leonard/Dvorksy
17OA + 43 - Trades up to 14OA and grab Oliver Moore (C problem solved)

Package 41+42 together for early 20s and grab Willander/Cristall/Sale (whoever drops)

If we come out of this draft with Benson, Moore and Cristall that is a massive boost to our offense, this could end up being one of the best 2nd lines in hockey.

Mazur - Larkin - Raymond
Benson - Moore - Cristall
Kubalik - Kasper - Berggren
Ras - Copp - Soderblom

 

[jkutswings]

Id be pretty bummed with Danielson at 9, I get it he is a C but we need ELITE TALENT. no more middle 6 Cs with work ethic, we need ELITE scoring/playmakers. We have so many picks it is time to swing for the fences on UPSIDE.

9OA - Benson/Leonard/Dvorksy
17OA + 43 - Trades up to 14OA and grab Oliver Moore (C problem solved)

Package 41+42 together for early 20s and grab Willander/Cristall/Sale (whoever drops)

If we come out of this draft with Benson, Moore and Cristall that is a massive boost to our offense, this could end up being one of the best 2nd lines in hockey.

Mazur - Larkin - Raymond
Benson - Moore - Cristall
Kubalik - Kasper - Berggren
Ras - Copp - Soderblom

I like your optimism. But I don't think 41+42 get you back into the 20s, especially in this particular draft.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

I like your optimism. But I don't think 41+42 get you back into the 20s, especially in this particular draft.

I based it off that pick value chart, previously 2 early 2nds got you up to around 23OA

 

[Frk It]

Id be pretty bummed with Danielson at 9, I get it he is a C but we need ELITE TALENT. no more middle 6 Cs with work ethic, we need ELITE scoring/playmakers. We have so many picks it is time to swing for the fences on UPSIDE.

9OA - Benson/Leonard/Dvorksy
17OA + 43 - Trades up to 14OA and grab Oliver Moore (C problem solved)

Package 41+42 together for early 20s and grab Willander/Cristall/Sale (whoever drops)

If we come out of this draft with Benson, Moore and Cristall that is a massive boost to our offense, this could end up being one of the best 2nd lines in hockey.

Mazur - Larkin - Raymond
Benson - Moore - Cristall
Kubalik - Kasper - Berggren
Ras - Copp - Soderblom

You make everything so black and white, when it’s not.

Who thought Wyatt Johnston was an elite talent in his draft? You know who Nate Danielson’s scouting report would sound a lot like? Wyatt Johnston’s.

Zadina was an upside pick, how’s that worked out? Benson and Cristall have some bust possibilities with them. I would take Benson with our first pick all day every day, but I wouldn’t sit there and tell you there’s not risk involved in doing so.

 

[jkutswings]

I based it off that pick value chart, previously 2 early 2nds got you up to around 23OA

Hey, if there's a good player there and a sucker at 23 who goes for it, I'm all in. I'm just expecting something more like 28-30, based on several good prospects likely still available in the early to mid twenties.

 

[lidstromiscool]

40+41+42 gives you a better chance of finding an elite talent than trading up into the 20s

 

[jkutswings]

40+41+42 gives you a better chance of finding an elite talent than trading up into the 20s

And trading for an established elite player is even better yet!