GDT: 2023 Caps NHL Draft Thread

Langway

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Bedard would be a game-changer. Full stop. It doesn't fix other roster issues but they're issues that end in two years tops with a tangible head start on a new competitive era. Maybe they'd not be an immediate contender but the change in energy would be palpable. There would be so much buzz added as Ovechkin chases down the record. One can dream.

It also becomes easier to divest from certain declining and aging assets when there's a new headliner to market and focus on. Suddenly there's your franchise center. In terms of putting a roster together any time soon that looks to be a significant obstacle in order to compete. Add that and the rest is quite a bit easier to solve.
 

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Bedard would be a game-changer. Full stop. It doesn't fix other roster issues but they're issues that end in two years tops with a tangible head start on a new competitive era. Maybe they'd not be an immediate contender but the change in energy would be palpable. There would be so much buzz added as Ovechkin chases down the record. One can dream.

It also becomes easier to divest from certain declining and aging assets when there's a new headliner to market and focus on. Suddenly there's your franchise center. In terms of putting a roster together any time soon that looks to be a significant obstacle in order to compete. Add that and the rest is quite a bit easier to solve.
If we’re adding a point per game center on an ELC deal we should be making the playoffs.
 
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That might end up being the way if they don’t like anyone at 8….I think it would have to be for a core addition-type player and therefor unlikely….
I’m sure they will like a lot of people at 8. But NONE will help next year, nor probably the next. Not at 8. If for some reason Michkov slides to 8, you’re passing on him, is that what I’m reading?

Bedard will help immediately.
Fantilli should help immediately

The rest are probably crap shoots
 
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I’m sure they will like a lot of people at 8. But NONE will help next year, nor probably the next. Not at 8. If for some reason Michkov slides to 8, you’re passing on him, is that what I’m reading?

Bedard will help immediately.
Fantilli should help immediately

The rest are probably crap shoots
I’m hoping multiple teams are beating on my door for a trade.….seems like enough of a value that late, that we might be forced to, but I won’t love it.
 

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I hope and suspect BMGM will be trying to move Kuzy for another top 10 pick. DeBrincat got a 7th last year. He may not succeed but I suspect he will try and if he does chances improve for a faster retool.
 

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I hope and suspect BMGM will be trying to move Kuzy for another top 10 pick. DeBrincat got a 7th last year.
He wouldn't this year, I mean, last year a defenseman from Slovakian league went 2nd overall, while this year some people claim they wouldn't even pick Michkov top 5.
 

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I hope and suspect BMGM will be trying to move Kuzy for another top 10 pick. DeBrincat got a 7th last year. He may not succeed but I suspect he will try and if he does chances improve for a faster retool.
Last off-season Alex DeBrincat was a 24 year old coming off a 41 goal, 78 point season with a $6.4M cap hit.
This off-season Evgeny Kuznetsov is a 31 year old coming off a 12 goal, 55 point season with a $7.8M cap hit and a 15 team No Trade Clause.

They two players are not even remotely comparable in trade value.
 

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I'm aware of the differences between DeBrincat and Kuzy. DeBrincat also returned two additional picks.

GMBM's job is to try. Maybe a team had had the guy they wanted already taken and the Caps want someone who is still available. Maybe a team sees big potential rebound in Kuzy, etc. All I said is try.
 

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I'm aware of the differences between DeBrincat and Kuzy. DeBrincat also returned two additional picks.

GMBM's job is to try. Maybe a team had had the guy they wanted already taken and the Caps want someone who is still available. Maybe a team sees big potential rebound in Kuzy, etc. All I said is try.
He just had 55 point points and is 30, Debrincat was a ppg 24 year old player, world's difference in value
 

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GMBM's job is to try... ... ...All I said is try.

Okay, but how will you know he tried? Some version of this gets said every year. Last year it was, "Sammy's leaving for NOTHING??? GMBM clearly didn't even TRY!!!"

You can rest assured that most GMs will try damn near anything to improve their team. You just have no way of knowing what they tried or how they tried or why it didn't work out.

Of course he'll try...
 

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While usually the guys around 8 are a 1/3ish shot at being a legit player and are usually a couple years away, I think this years draft is stronger. I think there is a real chance this pick could be in Washington in 24-25
 

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He just had 55 point points and is 30, Debrincat was a ppg 24 year old player, world's difference in value
You don’t think anyone is looking at the struggles in Washington this season and has some understanding that this was a difficult environment to succeed in this year?

(not suggesting his value is the same, but I think there will be some who are willing to consider he could massively bounce back with a kick in the balls and a change in scenery)……
 

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You don’t think anyone is looking at the struggles in Washington this season and has some understanding that this was a difficult environment to succeed in this year?

(not suggesting his value is the same, but I think there will be some who are willing to consider he could massively bounce back with a kick in the balls and a change in scenery)……
Sure if their looking for another asset, that ain't Kuznetsov, unless you're ok with a late 1st.
 

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I’d rather a non-futures trade myself….
And that may also be what happens.

I aways find it odd how fellow posters want to be so conservative with their valuations of Caps assets. I'm not saying be unrealistic to the upside, but don't consistently down value.

Value to another team is a mix of where Kuzy fits their envisioned team trajectory/player group evolution, plus internal perspective on how much they think they can suss out a Kuzy revival. BMGM's jobs is to sell them/maximize the latter.

Doesn't always work, of course. Boston never got "The Swede" (but Boston tried).
 

CapitalsCupReality

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And that may also be what happens.

I aways find it odd how fellow posters want to be so conservative with their valuations of Caps assets. I'm not saying be unrealistic to the upside, but don't consistently down value.

Value to another team is a mix of where Kuzy fits their envisioned team trajectory/player group evolution, plus internal perspective on how much they think they can suss out a Kuzy revival. BMGM's jobs is to sell them/maximize the latter.

Doesn't always work, of course. Boston never got "The Swede" (but Boston tried).
I think generally the guys we’re down on, we devalue some…I think Kuzy has good value in the right situation.
 

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Okay, but how will you know he tried? Some version of this gets said every year. Last year it was, "Sammy's leaving for NOTHING??? GMBM clearly didn't even TRY!!!"

You can rest assured that most GMs will try damn near anything to improve their team. You just have no way of knowing what they tried or how they tried or why it didn't work out.

Of course he'll try...

This is a misrepresentation of some of the complaints around Samsonov and other moves. It's not that he didn't try, it's that he allowed himself to be backed into a losing scenario and ended up losing assets for either nothing (as in the case of Samsonov) or well below their value (Siegenthaler, Stephenson, etc). It's not that he didn't try to get a better deal, it's that he put himself in such a situation where his leverage was minimized in the first place.
 

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This is a misrepresentation of some of the complaints around Samsonov and other moves. It's not that he didn't try, it's that he allowed himself to be backed into a losing scenario and ended up losing assets for either nothing (as in the case of Samsonov) or well below their value (Siegenthaler, Stephenson, etc). It's not that he didn't try to get a better deal, it's that he put himself in such a situation where his leverage was minimized in the first place.

I’ll use Sammy’s own words to express how I feel about the circumstances surrounding his exit:



(just glad that bum is gone)
 
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Jags

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This is a misrepresentation of some of the complaints around Samsonov and other moves. It's not that he didn't try, it's that he allowed himself to be backed into a losing scenario and ended up losing assets for either nothing (as in the case of Samsonov) or well below their value (Siegenthaler, Stephenson, etc).

It's not a misrepresentation of anything. Every year there's some move that doesn't get made that several posters say "He didn't even try" about, and several other statements like this one was, where a poster comes up with an idea and says, "The GM should try this."

MacLellan isn't stupid or lazy. He's pulled some pretty neat rabbits out of hats that had to take a lot of effort. I think like most GMs he tries everything he can think of to improve his team. The notion that he didn't try or won't unless the fanbase gives him a kick in the pants or someone threatens his job is pretty ridiculous.

I'm not putting all that on @ArmadilloThumb though. I was just pointing out that we have no way of knowing what he'll try to do. You either believe you have a GM that's putting in a good faith effort to make the team better or you don't.

Not sure how this applies to Siegs or Stephenson. They were cast out primarily by their coach. Siegs asked out, and GMBM said publicly that he felt Stephenson deserved a chance he simply wasn't getting here.

And the Samsonov thing is just horseshit. Keeping both keepers that offseason was a calculated risk for cap space. Not moving him in the second half of the season was about having a backup for the stretch run. And once the deadline passed, no one was going to trade anything substantial for a goalie with crappy stats that would almost definitely be available for free. Sammy's only claim to fame was his draft pedigree that he hadn't lived up to. No team was going to give up an asset worth a shit to avoid letting the masterful Ilya Samsonov hit the open market.

I agree with you that he had value along the way that we could have cashed in on. But the only rumored interest that year was from Montreal a little while before the deadline. They were definitely out of the playoff hunt, so they had no reason to offer anything major for him. And clearly not enough to risk not having a decent backup, or Mac would have pulled the trigger.

The "Samsonov is a prime example of poor asset management" argument is only even remotely true if you mean how one should manage a poor asset...
 
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ArmadilloThumb

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I'm not putting all that on @ArmadilloThumb though. I was just pointing out that we have no way of knowing what he'll try to do. You either believe you have a GM that's putting in a good faith effort to make the team better or you don't.
I took no offense. For the record I have been very pleased with GMBM. The reality is the process of player management is always much more than we see, and a 24 hour a day job at times during the season.

I tend to be an optimist. Hoping for surprises from some of the youth in the system and some skillful wheeling and dealing over the next few seasons.
 
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ArmadilloThumb

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Also, teams internal draft rankings can vary WIDELY. Getting the opportunity to get an additional pick that allows us to get another asset high on our internal list is something that could be a real accelerator for the retool.

A lot of that could be done on the fly on draft day as things unfold, so I'm sure they are working myriad scenarios/what-ifs.
 
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