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We now have RyJo who plays better in the playoffs than the RS and Tatar who plays better in the RS than the playoffs.
Balance has been restored in the universe.
Balance has been restored in the universe.
Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Season Thread
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Gruyeriev
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He is also a goalie killer! Well… at least an eye killer
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If Landy comes back in the playoffs, absolutely not. Avs will have a 3rd line which would be a 2nd line on many teams.
Lehky-Colton-Tatar
This would be the Avs 3rd line if Drouin produces on top 6
Avsboy
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- Dec 12, 2006
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Even without Landy. The defense is tops in the league already, then you have Mack and Rantanen surrounded by a deep squad
TruePowerSlave
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Potential cup season, not going to get much better opportunities with this core going forward. Hope they spend at the deadline.
Gumballhead
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I'd rather have the high quality of our top 5 D than greater D depth. D was not our main issue last year. Playing a lot of AHL-quality forwards down there and moving guys from the bottom six who have no business playing top six on a team expecting to go deep in the playoffs was definitely an issue.
This year's forward group, no matter how it sorts out, will find us with a 4th line comprised of actual useful 4th line players in appropriate roles, not some bizarre puzzle mixture of minor leaguers and out of place lower tier NHL guys. Some of these grinders are going to also help out the D by playing heavy and responsibly. Essentially we grew a 3rd line out of nowhere and got our 4th line back -- their are many question marks but you can see how it should work out well.
But it looks like a 3rd line, and it might kick ass and be the best. That wasn't happening at all last year.
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Gumballhead
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Paging Dr. Freud...Who wouldn't want Stanley Cup full of hot dogs though?Sign me up
expatriatedtexan
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It is nice, we will actually have a 3rd line this season. I'm still only willing to be cautiously optimistic that all the moves made this summer will pay off. There is no doubt though that this is an upgrade, last season our third line was just a cast of spare parts, all that was required was a pulse and the trainers to tell Bednar they were available. Everyone that was capable of playing in the top six was, even those that weren't capable of playing in the top six were.
Crazy if things go like folks initially think we'll have
Drouin-MacKinnon-Nichushkin
Lehkonen-Johnasen-Rantanen
Wood-Colton-Tatar
Cogliano-X-O'Connor
The competition for X will be amongst Meyers, Olofsson, Holland, Kiviranta, Maenalanen, Pavel and Tufte. That's before we get to the likes of Foudy or even Kovalenko swimming across the ocean to play for Bednar. I know Cogs and LOC are about as penciled in to the lineup as you can get, but I'm really interested in seeing what this group of miscasts do during camp.
Jazzguitar
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That's been the main thing missing since Kadri left, so I like our chances this year.He is also a goalie killer! Well… at least an eye killer
Sea Eagles
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Great post, and exactly mate. Also don't forget that competition for spots is also a very healthy place and space to be, because it lifts everyone's effort (even in training).
There's so much to look forward to. I'm betting everyone is absolutely pumped for the season to begin.
A big question though; who's jersey to buy
Well, last off-season just left us frustrated and hoping for more improvements.. now we have a complete team from the beginning.
Let's goooo
LOFIN
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This is not a problem. He has been a good bottom pairing D-man for us. I have no problem having him in our opening line up (even for playoffs). But the options are not great after that.
The Abusement Park
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Depends on RyJo. If we get 2C RyJo it’s a top tier lineup, if we get dogshit RyJo it’s a decent lineup.
Quite a few still.
It's not like Tatar completely changes the roster. We still have Drouin playing 1st line LW. We still have Johansen at 2C. We still have Wood in the Top 9. JJ is still the #6D and MacDermid is still gonna play 50+ games.
Tatar makes things a lot better for sure, but there's still some clear weaknesses on the roster.
I'd say today New Jersey and Toronto are definitely ahead of us. We're about on par with teams like Carolina, Vegas, Los Angeles.
Bill Peckerskull
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Richard88
John 3:16
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If Landeskog returns it may still be feasible to keep the team intact next summer simply by moving Manson.
The cap is projected to rise to $87.5m in 2024, so there's an additional $4m which basically covers Toews' raise. It might be on the low side but in the AGM below I used $7.5m X 8 years (the 8th year being what keeps the AAV down a bit), and that allows just enough capspace to fill out a 22 man roster by simply moving Manson off the roster (his NTC becomes a limited NTC so it is possible and may even actually be the plan by CMac).
The 4th liners, 5/6D, and backup G would all need to be $1m but that shouldn't be an issue if the Avs can continue to be an attractive destination for players (as we've already seen with ERod, Tatar, Drouin, Cogliano, Jack Johnson, and college free agents Meyers, Pavel, Malinski, etc).
The cap is projected to rise to $87.5m in 2024, so there's an additional $4m which basically covers Toews' raise. It might be on the low side but in the AGM below I used $7.5m X 8 years (the 8th year being what keeps the AAV down a bit), and that allows just enough capspace to fill out a 22 man roster by simply moving Manson off the roster (his NTC becomes a limited NTC so it is possible and may even actually be the plan by CMac).
The 4th liners, 5/6D, and backup G would all need to be $1m but that shouldn't be an issue if the Avs can continue to be an attractive destination for players (as we've already seen with ERod, Tatar, Drouin, Cogliano, Jack Johnson, and college free agents Meyers, Pavel, Malinski, etc).
Chiarelli
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[MOD]Our forward group is equally as good as Toronto's and NJ. I'd argue our star power is better than theirs as well.
Toronto has a 3rd line of Knies-Kampff-Jarnkrok. TJ Brodie is a their #2 dman. Klingberg and McCabe are 3 and 4. Our 3rd line and Dmen blow that group away.
NJ has a 3rd line of Palat-Haula-Holtz. Is that better than Wood-Colton-Tatar? I don't see it. Our top 4 is also much better than Siegenthaler, Hamilton, Hughes and Marino.
What separates us is our D. There isn't one team you mentioned who has a group of Makar, Toews, Byram, Manson and Girard. I'm hard on Girard but he would be at least a #3, maybe even a top pair Dman on each of those teams. Here, he is a #5.
Not one team can match our elite top end talent. The key is to stay healthy.
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How could you possibly think they're not?
They're ridiculously deep down the middle and have a strong Defense. Only weakness is Goaltending but I expect them to solve that by the deadline.
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Bender
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@Richard88 ?? Did I accidentally have you on ignore for the past year and a half ??If Landeskog returns it may still be feasible to keep the team intact next summer simply by moving Manson.
The cap is projected to rise to $87.5m in 2024, so there's an additional $4m which basically covers Toews' raise. It might be on the low side but in the AGM below I used $7.5m X 8 years (the 8th year being what keeps the AAV down a bit), and that allows just enough capspace to fill out a 22 man roster by simply moving Manson off the roster (his NTC becomes a limited NTC so it is possible and may even actually be the plan by CMac).
The 4th liners, 5/6D, and backup G would all need to be $1m but that shouldn't be an issue if the Avs can continue to be an attractive destination for players (as we've already seen with ERod, Tatar, Drouin, Cogliano, Jack Johnson, and college free agents Meyers, Pavel, Malinski, etc).
Drouin- Mackinnon- Rantanen
Lehkonen- Johansen- Nichushkin
Wood- Colton- Tatar
Cogliano- Meyers- O'Connor
MacDermid
Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson
Girard - Johnson
Hunt
Georgiev
Francouz
Find me a team that has more elite talent, depth, grit and toughness. I will wait.
Lehkonen- Johansen- Nichushkin
Wood- Colton- Tatar
Cogliano- Meyers- O'Connor
MacDermid
Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson
Girard - Johnson
Hunt
Georgiev
Francouz
Find me a team that has more elite talent, depth, grit and toughness. I will wait.
Yes, Kopitar, Dubois and Danault is the best group of centers in the league but they still have Byfield, Kaliyev and Moore in their top 9.
And we still have Wood and Drouin in our Top 9. I'd much rather have those wingers on our team versus Wood and Drouin.
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