Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Season Thread

[Chiarelli]

I f***ing hate this team’s fans

FTFY

 

[sethro109]

The Avs won’t let him walk over a $2.5M-$2.75M raise lol

I also don't think they'll let him walk and expect him to re-sign. However, with how much the cap is increasing over the next few years, I think it'll be more like 4.5 to 5.5 million dollar raise.

 

[dahrougem2]

I struggle with the "centre depth" argument because IMO it just so happens that those all time great players leading teams to Stanley Cups happen to be centres.

If Joe Sakic and Peter Forsberg were both wingers do the Avalanche not win any Stanley Cups with them? If Alexander Ovechkin was a centre do the Capitals all of a sudden have as many Stanley Cups as the Penguins do post-Crosby?

I think centers impact the game in a big way, but I don't think it's as easy to say as "no centre depth = minimal chance at winning the Cup."

 

[NateTheGreat]

I also don't think they'll let him walk and expect him to re-sign. However, with how much the cap is increasing over the next few years, I think it'll be more like 4.5 to 5.5 million dollar raise.

You think Mikko is going to be making somewhere between $13.75M-$14.75M annually?!? His new deal would kick in a year after Matthews’ does and there’s no justification for him to be making more than him even with the cap going up. Assuming he signs for what you’re saying, Matthews and Mikko would have similar % of cap hits, which imo is wrong. Matthews is a more valuable player than Rantanen.

 

[sethro109]

You think Mikko is going to be making somewhere between $13.75M-$14.75M annually?!? His new deal would kick in a year after Matthews’ does and there’s no justification for him to be making more than him even with the cap going up. Assuming he signs for what you’re saying, Matthews and Mikko would have similar % of cap hits, which imo is wrong. Matthews is a more valuable player than Rantanen.

Yes I do believe it will be about the same. It's all about the timing. The cap increase will be the big factor there. He and his agent will be looking at a certain cap percentage and with the cap increase it's gonna be ugly.

 

[NateTheGreat]

Yes I do believe it will be about the same. It's all about the timing. The cap increase will be the big factor there. He and his agent will be looking at a certain cap percentage and with the cap increase it's gonna be ugly.

I don’t think it should or will be that high. Pasta is a better comparable for Mikko and he’s signed at 13.6% of cap. Assuming a $92M cap for when Mikko’s deal will kick in and you give Mikko the same % cap hit as Pasta (which is generous given Pasta is the better player) you are looking at $12.5M - $12.6M annually.

 

[sethro109]

I don’t think it should or will be that high. Pasta is a better comparable for Mikko and he’s signed at 13.6% of cap. Assuming a $92M cap for when Mikko’s deal will kick in and you give Mikko the same % cap hit as Pasta (which is generous given Pasta is the better player) you are looking at $12.5M - $12.6M annually.

Getting the same percentage as Pasta does sound about right. I suppose I was coming in a little high.

 

[henchman21]

IMO Rants gets 13m. Two years ago people were talking like MacK would take 9.5-10.5m. He took 12.6. Rants will exceed MacK and up to 1m more (but half is more likely).

I struggle with the "centre depth" argument because IMO it just so happens that those all time great players leading teams to Stanley Cups happen to be centres.

If Joe Sakic and Peter Forsberg were both wingers do the Avalanche not win any Stanley Cups with them? If Alexander Ovechkin was a centre do the Capitals all of a sudden have as many Stanley Cups as the Penguins do post-Crosby?

I think centers impact the game in a big way, but I don't think it's as easy to say as "no centre depth = minimal chance at winning the Cup."

The history is strong… and with the positional responsibility, you typically need strong center play. It isn’t a coincidence IMO. That doesn’t shut it down completely… but like a 1/10 shot. If RyJo and Colton don’t play to their line level, they Avs will have issues. If they play well, it solves a lot of issues.

 

[NateTheGreat]

IMO Rants gets 13m. Two years ago people were talking like MacK would take 9.5-10.5m. He took 12.6. Rants will exceed MacK and up to 1m more (but half is more likely).

I let him walk at that price. There are no comparables or justification for him to be making that. Not sure who thought Mack would take 9.5-10.5, that’s just not living in reality.

 

[LOFIN]

Yes I do believe it will be about the same. It's all about the timing. The cap increase will be the big factor there. He and his agent will be looking at a certain cap percentage and with the cap increase it's gonna be ugly.

Yeah not going to happen. That would mean Marner jumps ahead of Matthews. Not happening either.

 

[NorthernAvsFan]

I don’t see Mikko taking more than MacK, but I also don’t think it’ll be much less.

 

[henchman21]

I let him walk at that price. There are no comparables or justification for him to be making that. Not sure who thought Mack would take 9.5-10.5, that’s just not living in reality.

It was very prominent here.

 

[forsbergavs32]

It was very prominent here.

Yeah kind of a head scratcher. I thought between 11.5 and 12.5

 

[henchman21]

Yeah kind of a head scratcher. I thought between 11.5 and 12.5

It was based on the discount comment he made a few years ago and hopium. Still… he got paid. Rants will too. He won’t take a large discount. May get a half to a mil off with an 8th year. And I’m sure someone would pay him 13.5-14 as a ufa.

 

[BobRossColton]

I don’t see Mikko taking more than MacK, but I also don’t think it’ll be much less.

Instead of the 250k overpay it'll be 250k under.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Manson was hurt all year so anyone who didn’t like his new contract is now doubling down on the I told ya so’s. I’m just going to root for him to play his role and stay healthy this season. He’s important to this team.

This is how I feel, and players do recover from crazy injuries too, but it's not really wrong to be worried about that roster spot.

I get both sides.. Unfortunately the glass half empty side has a bit more data in their favor.

 

[CobraAcesS]

It would probably be a smart idea to plan on getting Malinski some games at some point anyways. I wouldn't even wait until there is a full-blown injury, if there are nagging issues during the season, go ahead and give the guys some games off and get some seasoning of the younger players so when injuries do hit, they'll be better prepared to step in.

I have no worries about the Avs making the playoffs. I just want them as healthy as possible when they start and with as many players having had some good experience as possible.

As it stands right now isn't he pretty much penciled in?

Toews - Makar
Girard - Manson
Byram - Malinski
JJ

 

[JH21]

I let him walk at that price. There are no comparables or justification for him to be making that. Not sure who thought Mack would take 9.5-10.5, that’s just not living in reality.

Yep. Let a 50 goal scorer and elite player walk. Brilliant.

As it stands right now isn't he pretty much penciled in?

Toews - Makar
Girard - Manson
Byram - Malinski
JJ

No

 

[dahrougem2]

IMO Rants gets 13m. Two years ago people were talking like MacK would take 9.5-10.5m. He took 12.6. Rants will exceed MacK and up to 1m more (but half is more likely).


The history is strong… and with the positional responsibility, you typically need strong center play. It isn’t a coincidence IMO. That doesn’t shut it down completely… but like a 1/10 shot. If RyJo and Colton don’t play to their line level, they Avs will have issues. If they play well, it solves a lot of issues.

No I get the history. I just think the best players happen to play centre more often than not.

Like do the Oilers win less cups in the 80s if Gretzky and Messier play the wings while Kurri and Anderson are the centres?

I just think historically, the best players have been centres so naturally the correlation is you need great centres to win Stanley Cups.

 

[henchman21]

No I get the history. I just think the best players happen to play centre more often than not.

Like do the Oilers win less cups in the 80s if Gretzky and Messier play the wings while Kurri and Anderson are the centres?

I just think historically, the best players have been centres so naturally the correlation is you need great centres to win Stanley Cups.

The best players play at center because it is the most impactful position.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Compher and Eller at 2C and 3C weren't ideal but they weren't the problem. It was no Landeskog, Val, Cogs, Manson, and a banged up Lehkonen and Makar.

Make all those non centers healthy, and keep Compher and Eller at 2C and 3C, and the Avs make it to the WCF against Vegas. And if they beat Vegas they beat the Panthers to repeat as Cup champs.

Having guys stand in for injuries is one thing.. Guys will get a boost of adrenaline when having to play up.

Conpher was about as used up as a wet sock in a rainstorm by the time they got to the playoffs. So was the rest of the team.

The problem was playing all year that way. Contrubted to injuries etc, and JTC can't be your starting 2C, but he could play up in stretches.

I think they probably knew Landeskog wasn't coming back, but didn't know for sure. I think Cmac packed it in once it was clear he wasn't returning, and before the TDL. The whole thing stinks, but they still would of had a chance if a legit 2C would have been added in the off-season or early, and a winger was all that was needed at the TDL.

Manson was a mistake that added fuel, not adding a 2C was THE mistake even if it was just a Compher level center on a shorter deal that position would of been covered better by committee and competition.

I'd of told Mikko to stfu, and line up at the dot if needed and added a top six winger about 5 games into Newhook at the position too.

 

[CobraAcesS]

That Drouin - Johansen - Rantanen line is going to be really special.

Nah but..

Nuke Ryjo & Mikko would be hell to handle for any team. My first preference would be Lehky, but that is a size queens wet dream right there of a line lol.

 

[dahrougem2]

The best players play at center because it is the most impactful position.

Sure, but what I am saying is if the greats of yesteryear at centre switched to the wing, I don't know that Stanley Cup wins would change all that much.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Yep. Let a 50 goal scorer and elite player walk. Brilliant.



No

Am I missing someone?

 

[CobraAcesS]

Sure, but what I am saying is if the greats of yesteryear at centre switched to the wing, I don't know that Stanley Cup wins would change all that much.

I do think certain types of wingers can offset a centers weakness. Landy has been doing it for Mack for years.

Probably depends on the coach, but God there was a lot of stupid coaches back then. One of the main arguments for the Avs not winning more with the first core is coaching.

I do think Nuke, Landy and Lehky make their centers lives easier, and our coach is capable of utilizing that to the 9th degree.