Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Season Thread

[Balthazar]

Just realized that Roy was hired as a coach 10 years ago. Time flies.

 

[UncleRisto]

Just realized that Roy was hired as a coach 10 years ago. Time flies.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I'm still not convinced that Manson deal was bad. When he was healthy, he was a huge difference maker. If he's one man ambulance corps again this year my tune will change, but we need a Manson type back there and he took a discount to stay with us like we needed.

I mean he certainly didn’t take a discount. And the dudes body has been falling apart the last 3/4 seasons. It’s a bad deal through and through.

 

[sethro109]

Just realized that Roy was hired as a coach 10 years ago. Time flies.

That was already 10 years!?

 

[Avs_19]

Manson’s contract is bad and we knew it the moment it was signed but we don’t even know if he’s hurt!

They might just be adjusting a device that didn’t feel right but he’s 100%. I mean, he probably won’t be for long but right now….

 

[missionAvs]

That was already 10 years!?
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Yep. Crazy when you consider that that also coincides when we were getting MacK into the picture. We're getting too old for this shit.

 

[Foppa2118]

Wait so Manson was being tracked with a device (possibly for speed) skating on his own for the first time in camp after his high ankle sprain, then went over to adjust something (possibly just the tracker that was uncomfortable) said it was fine, then joined the rest of the group, and now we're talking shit about Manson again?

 

[Balthazar]

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

FYIW Montreal fired their whole medical staff this summer because of the ridiculous number of injuries that the team got in the last 2 seasons.

Here it's been the case for like 5 or 6 years. Basically our entire contender window. Have we changed anything at all?

If there were a large number of pulled muscles, strains, or core tears that could be blamed on training or treatment, then yeah, blame the medical staff. However, I fail to see how guys breaking feet/ankles/legs blocking shots, getting knee and shoulder injuries and concussions because of opponent's hits or pucks/sticks to the head, or a chronic knee injury from an errant skate blade cut is the fault of the team's medial staff. Some of that could be blamed on the style of play they are asked to employ.

 

[Foppa2118]

Surely if Landy turns out no go and will have to retire, which i guess is 50:50 at this point, EP should be legit target, if he decides not to re-sign with Canucks. Just read on the trade boards his decision hangs on how Canucks gonna fare this season.

They'll need an extra $4-5M on top of Landy to afford EP. So they'll have to lose Val and replace him with a $1-2M guy too.

If you look at the roster I posted, the only extra savings they may be able to get from that is maybe a cheaper contract for Malinski, but that means either Malinski or whoever is there instead isn't that great, and the D core will have gone from the deepest in the league to a top heavy one that's suspect aside from the two top guys.

If they lose Landy, the much better plan IMO would be to replace him with a guy making just as much, or even a little less around $6M. That would leave money to spend on their depth.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Wait so Manson was being tracked with a device (possibly for speed) skating on his own for the first time in camp after his high ankle sprain, then went over to adjust something (possibly just the tracker that was uncomfortable) said it was fine, then joined the rest of the group, and now we're talking shit about Manson again?

Yes. That's how we roll!

 

[UncleRisto]

Wait so Manson was being tracked with a device (possibly for speed) skating on his own for the first time in camp after his high ankle sprain, then went over to adjust something (possibly just the tracker that was uncomfortable) said it was fine, then joined the rest of the group, and now we're talking shit about Manson again?

Ankle monitor.

 

[Balthazar]

If there were a large number of pulled muscles, strains, or core tears that could be blamed on training or treatment, then yeah, blame the medical staff. However, I fail to see how guys breaking feet/ankles/legs blocking shots, getting knee and shoulder injuries and concussions because of opponent's hits or pucks/sticks to the head, or a chronic knee injury from an errant skate blade cut is the fault of the team's medial staff. Some of that could be blamed on the style of play they are asked to employ.

It can be a lot of different things: guys coming back too soon, first diagnostic was wrong, etc.

 

[Foppa2118]

Ankle monitor.

No fixers in the off season.

 

[UncleRisto]

No fixers in the off season.

If we don't have a fixer, we have a good fixer.

 

[Avs9296]

Ankle monitor.

That's for Nuke.

 

[NorthernAvsFan]

Manson rolling into training camp:

 

[Bender]

Manson rolling into training camp:

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Hopefully, it's more like this :

...and then he beats the shit out of jamie benn again.

 

[AvsGuy]

That's just not even close to true. Byram has plenty of flaws as well.

Nonsense like this doesn't even make it worth responding.

So why'd you respond

 

[Miri]

They'll need an extra $4-5M on top of Landy to afford EP. So they'll have to lose Val and replace him with a $1-2M guy too.

If you look at the roster I posted, the only extra savings they may be able to get from that is maybe a cheaper contract for Malinski, but that means either Malinski or whoever is there instead isn't that great, and the D core will have gone from the deepest in the league to a top heavy one that's suspect aside from the two top guys.

If they lose Landy, the much better plan IMO would be to replace him with a guy making just as much, or even a little less around $6M. That would leave money to spend on their depth.

Landy is getting 7, right? So another 5 on top makes it 12. I doubt Petterson is going to get that much. Sure, he had 100 point season, but only single one so far....if he was to leave next year, cause he is not happy with direction Vancouver is heading (as in not winning shit anytime soon), surely only other non-contenders would be able/willing to offer that much. But that would not exactly solve his issue of playing on weak team not competing for Cup, so might as well remain in Vancouver.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Just realized that Roy was hired as a coach 10 years ago. Time flies.

Are you saying we are old? Dannggg

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Landy is getting 7, right? So another 5 on top makes it 12. I doubt Petterson is going to get that much. Sure, he had 100 point season, but only single one so far....if he was to leave next year, cause he is not happy with direction Vancouver is heading (as in not winning shit anytime soon), surely only other non-contenders would be able/willing to offer that much. But that would not exactly solve his issue of playing on weak team not competing for Cup, so might as well remain in Vancouver.

Better hope Petterson flops next season and buy low.

 

[thedoctor]

I don't know what is going on here. I do know that his shoulder and knee will never be fully right again. His body is breaking down like almost every physical defensemen in their 30s.


4.5 is roughly the market for a middle pairing physical defensemen. It was clearly a bad deal though... wrong side of the aging curve, had been regressing hard with Anaheim for years, the worst type of aging defenseman, and like all UFA contracts at or around 30, you're paying for what they have done and not what they will be. Teams sign these deals almost every summer, and almost all of them age terribly. This will be no exception.

I've been a Manson fan for years prior to the Avs getting him, I expected the Avs to make move for a guy like him, and I didn't want the Avs to re-sign him saying it would be a pretty big mistake. It is a slow motion trainwreck.

I understand your position and you may absolutely be right on whether it was a bad deal in the end, but the bolded is misrepresenting his market. his market was not generic middle pairing physical defenseman, it was cup winning, difference making physical middle pairing defender.

With that resume, he took at least 1 year and 500k of discount and probably more, maybe even 2 years/750k per.

it's also worth noting we can't just say "Manson was a bad contract" in a vacuum. the alternate replacement and contract for that role should also be in the equation. Who would you have rather signed out of UFA that year? the list was thin AF.

 

[redacted]

I understand your position and you may absolutely be right on whether it was a bad deal in the end, but the bolded is misrepresenting his market. his market was not generic middle pairing physical defenseman, it was cup winning, difference making physical middle pairing defender.

With that resume, he took at least 1 year and 500k of discount and probably more, maybe even 2 years/750k per.

it's also worth noting we can't just say "Manson was a bad contract" in a vacuum. the alternate replacement and contract for that role should also be in the equation. Who would you have rather signed out of UFA that year? the list was thin AF.

I don’t think it was a discount at all….

The better solution was nobody and divert that money to 2C. If you needed defense spend the 2nd needed to get a guy at the deadline… then don’t re-sign that guy.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I understand your position and you may absolutely be right on whether it was a bad deal in the end, but the bolded is misrepresenting his market. his market was not generic middle pairing physical defenseman, it was cup winning, difference making physical middle pairing defender.

With that resume, he took at least 1 year and 500k of discount and probably more, maybe even 2 years/750k per.

it's also worth noting we can't just say "Manson was a bad contract" in a vacuum. the alternate replacement and contract for that role should also be in the equation. Who would you have rather signed out of UFA that year? the list was thin AF.

He absolutely did not take even a single dime of a discount.

The comparable UFA guys that have signed to him in recent years are Gudas who signed a 3x$4M contract, Gudbranson who signed a 4x$4M contract, and David Savard who signed a 4x$3.5M contract(Also fresh off winning a cup might I add).


Manson's contract is by far the worst of the 4.