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Tommy Shelby said:
Why do we constantly complain about our lack of depth, and instead of discussing the logical move of trading a 5M salary player for 2-3 players with salaries adding up to ~5m, we talk about adding single 7-10M contracts?

October can't come soon enough.
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Because getting a top end 2C>>>> worrying about the different between a $1M depth player, and a $1.5M depth player.

You can have good depth players for cheap. Look at LOC for the Avs making just $1M. Look at the names in UFA still unsigned right now that will be getting league minimum deals. ZAR, Motte, Gregor, Heinen... Lots of good depth that will be had for under $1M.
 
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I don't see how EP is even an option.

Even without him, if they keep Toews, it's going to be tough to keep all three of Toews, Mikko, and Byram in two years when the latter two are up for new deals, if they want to maintain some depth on wing.

If you add EP and re-sign Toews, now you could lose both Mikko and Byram. Moving out Val alone probably isn't enough to keep one of them. You're looking at losing a lot of your team just to make a luxury addition of EP at 2C.

IMO by far the best strategy is to keep going with $4-6M 2C's and let Toews walk, so you can keep Mikko and Bo who will surpass Toews soon, and has a higher ceiling.

Then as the cap rises you can use that extra cash to improve the rest of the roster like the bottom six, 2C, or 1G from year to year depending on your needs. That's the only way to have both high end star talent and some depth.
 
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Coffeeguy said:
They most likely wouldn't. If Bo has a great season id rather use him to get someone with term already and petterson would cost a lot. I also thought of hintz, hischier and Norris
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The issue is those teams aren't going to trade their guys. Especially for the reasons you said(Locked in at great cap hits). The only one I could see maybe being moved would be Norris but he's also nowhere near as good as Hintz/Hischier


Bo simply isn't worth those guys and quite frankly never will be. Not with those contracts they have.


The other direction you go with a Byram trade, is target a young high upside Center that maybe hasn't taken off quite yet. Guys like Shane Wright, Kent Johnson, Anton Lundell(Who we have mentioned here plenty before), just to name a few.
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:
Because getting a top end 2C>>>> worrying about the different between a $1M depth player, and a $1.5M depth player.

You can have good depth players for cheap. Look at LOC for the Avs making just $1M. Look at the names in UFA still unsigned right now that will be getting league minimum deals. ZAR, Motte, Gregor, Heinen... Lots of good depth that will be had for under $1M.
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Where are we getting the cap space to fit this top end 2C in?
 
Coffeeguy said:
Would you trade Bo for Nick Suzuki?
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Suzuki is 24 years old and has a career high of 26 goals 66 points in 82 games when scoring has gone up about 15% in the last six years.

He's pretty consistently been around a 60 point pace in his carer too.

2019-20: 47 pt pace
2020-21: 60 pt pace
2021-22: 61 pt pace
2022-23: 66 pt pace

Bo scored at a 20 goal 47 point pace last year basically as a rookie with his amount of games played. If Suzuki stays the same player, while Bo improves, he could end up producing more than Suzuki while playing defense.

A Byram for Suzuki trade has the potential to end up like Sergachev for Drouin or worse.
 
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Foppa2118 said:
I don't see how EP is even an option.

Even without him, if they keep Toews, it's going to be tough to keep all three of Toews, Mikko, and Byram in two years when the latter two are up for new deals, if they want to maintain some depth on wing.

If you add EP and re-sign Toews, now you could lose both Mikko and Byram. Moving out Val alone probably isn't enough to keep one of them. You're looking at losing a lot of your team just to make a luxury addition of EP at 2C.

IMO by far the best strategy is to keep going with $4-6M 2C's and let Toews walk, so you can keep Mikko and Bo who will surpass Toews soon, and has a higher ceiling.

Then as the cap rises you can use that extra cash to improve the rest of the roster like the bottom six, 2C, or 1G from year to year depending on your needs. That's the only way to have both high end star talent and some depth.
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Why let Toews "walk"? If the Avs' can't re-sign him then at least get something back in a trade.
 
LTCPain75 said:
Why let Toews "walk"? If the Avs' can't re-sign him then at least get something back in a trade.
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Sometimes it's better for contenders to get another Cup run out of a player than it is to trade them. I think that would be the case with the Avs and Toews.

This Avs team is very careful with their planning. If they had intentions of trading Toews I think they would have done it earlier in the off season. Right now I think the plan is either to re-sign him or let him walk.
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:
The issue is those teams aren't going to trade their guys. Especially for the reasons you said(Locked in at great cap hits). The only one I could see maybe being moved would be Norris but he's also nowhere near as good as Hintz/Hischier


Bo simply isn't worth those guys and quite frankly never will be. Not with those contracts they have.


The other direction you go with a Byram trade, is target a young high upside Center that maybe hasn't taken off quite yet. Guys like Shane Wright, Kent Johnson, Anton Lundell(Who we have mentioned here plenty before), just to name a few.
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I also came up with Suzuki because I'd want Bo in the East, devil's already have a few good d prospects, wouldnt want to help Dallas. Montreal could build a fantastic d core with Byram, Reinbacher, Barron, guhle.
 
This should put into context how difficult it would be to fit in EP. I posted this earlier in the year with a $92M cap in 2025-26.

Just to fit this team under the cap I had to go with a shortened 21 man roster, Mikko making what Nate makes (could be more), Bo making $7.5M (could be more), Colton playing 2C for $4M, Ritchie developing well enough to play 3C on his cheap ELC, Malinski developing well, losing Toews, trading Manson for a cheaper alternative, a very cheap bottom six, still going with a cheapish $4.5M 1G, and a cheaper than Frankie 2G.

Now imagine the sacrifices they'd have to make to fit under the cap with EP who just had a 39 goal 102 point season. He could end up costing three times as much as Colton is here.

They're not gonna be able to cut any more cost on this roster from the bottom six or anywhere on defense. How are they gonna find the extra $8M or so they're gonna need?

To fit EP onto this roster it would take Landy not coming back and them trading Val and Ross Colton, and replacing them with two $2M wingers and EP. If they keep Toews he's going to make at least what Bo is listed at here and Bo would have to be added to the list of losses instead.

Imagine the complaints about their depth then. Instead of Lehkonen being a really good middle six guy, now he's their 2nd best winger in a healthy lineup, with a big drop after him.

Either that or they lose Mikko in two years.

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Coffeeguy said:
I also came up with Suzuki because I'd want Bo in the East, devil's already have a few good d prospects, wouldnt want to help Dallas. Montreal could build a fantastic d core with Byram, Reinbacher, Barron, guhle.
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Meh, I wouldn't care where Bo goes honestly. He's not going to be good enough to ever really "punish" a team.
 
Bo Byram was 5th in goals per game last year among defenseman as a 21 year old with 91 regular season games played in the NHL and very little 2nd unit PP time. And he's going to get better.
 
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LTCPain75 said:
Why let Toews "walk"? If the Avs' can't re-sign him then at least get something back in a trade.
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What are they going to get that helps in a playoff run more than Toews? I’d rather have him for a run than trade him for futures
 
Avaholic29 said:
What are they going to get that helps in a playoff run more than Toews? I’d rather have him for a run than trade him for futures
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What if the other team thinks that Toews is that true 1st liner Dman that they desperately need and is only one like him available? They might pay some really good assets for such a player. Demands would probably be high for Colorado. Maybe like two 1st rounders (and no, not the late or mid late 1st rounders) and good prospect I would assume.
 
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Coffeeguy said:
They most likely wouldn't. If Bo has a great season id rather use him to get someone with term already and petterson would cost a lot. I also thought of hintz, hischier and Norris
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Or why not keep all three of Makar, Toews and Byram and have the leagues best D?

When was the last time a team who traded a potential #1 Dman for a forward came out ahead?

We don't need an elite 2C when we have Rantanen driving that line either. All Johansen will have to do is get him the puck and let Nichushkin do the dirty work.

Lehkonen- Mackinnon- Drouin
Nichushkin- Johansen- Rantanen

That's still one of the best top 6 groups in the league. You'd be hard pressed to find a better group.

Throw in

Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson

And that's the leagues best elite top end collection of players.

The logical solution to fix our depth issues is to trade Girard for a winger.

Maybe something like Girard to Montreal for Josh Anderson (1.5m retained) and Jake Evans?

Lehkonen- Mackinnon- Drouin
Nichushkin- Johansen- Rantanen
Wood- Colton- Anderson
Cogliano- Evans- O'Connor

Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson
Johnson - Hunt

That's a pretty solid lineup.
 
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JH21 said:
Or why not keep all three of Makar, Toews and Byram and have the leagues best D?

When was the last time a team who traded a potential #1 Dman for a forward came out ahead?
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First of all, lets remove "forward" and replace with "Center" since not one single person is discussing trading Byram for a winger...

And second, who is this potential #1 Dman you're talking about... Because it certainly isn't Bo Byram on this team. He does not have 1D upside.
 
Pierce Hawthorne said:
Meh, I wouldn't care where Bo goes honestly. He's not going to be good enough to ever really "punish" a team.
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You're just full of hot takes today. Too bad they are all non-sense.

Pierce Hawthorne said:
First of all, lets remove "forward" and replace with "Center" since not one single person is discussing trading Byram for a winger...

And second, who is this potential #1 Dman you're talking about... Because it certainly isn't Bo Byram on this team. He does not have 1D upside.
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You're insane man. Byram absolutely has 1D potential. He is a young Drew Doughty.

Whats wrong with having 3- #1 dmen on the team? Since when is that a bad thing?
 
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JH21 said:
You're just full of hot takes today. Too bad they are all non-sense.



You're insane man. Byram absolutely has 1D potential. He is a young Drew Doughty.

Whats wrong with having 3- #1 dmen on the team? Since when is that a bad thing?
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Oh the irony.



Also, the issue with having 3 #1D on a team is that its completely unnecessary to win a cup, and you end up spending so much money on those 3 Dmen, that you're left with very little money to spend elsewhere in the lineup.

Winning in hockey is about having a balanced lineup. Having 3 #1D and paying all 3 of them #1D money, means you've got an extremely unbalanced roster. We're not even paying 3 Dmen #1D money right now and our roster is already incredibly unbalanced towards the Defense. Now imagine all 3 of Makar/Byram/Toews are making a combined $27M instead of the $16M they're making now.


Goodbye Mikko, goodbye RyJo! Goodbye any semblance of a forward group.
 
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Totally agree @JH21

I think all of Toews, Makar and Byram would easily be other teams number one D-men, who a club could build their rosters around on the backend. Girard for me is and absolute top end offensive PMD as well. Quite simply, our defense is the best in the league - whoever takes that 6th spot will absolutely be pulled up in class to elite levels just by playing with them.

You keep that together at all costs.
 
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