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henchman21 said:
On the opposite side, if Byram proves he can’t handle top pairing (or gets injured again) and Toews goes back to .8ppg… then Toews has a ton of leverage.
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If that happens he's not going to cost much more than he would this summer. We're not getting a discount for last year's regression.

henchman21 said:
Keeping the options open to trade is key to me though. Injuries happen and roster holes come up. If the Avs limit their ability to add, they could end up having another wasted year.
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It's a lot easier to sign Toews if you need to than to un-sign him to make cap room.

Contender Avs don't make hockey trades during the season and even if they would and move Girard they can always re-up Toews.
 
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May not be a popular opinion but with the the Avalanche current D pool as draft picks, as risky as it is and Byrams health... I think I'm of the opinion of taking a risk on guys like Behrens and keeping Toews over Byram.

It would suck to see him take off somewhere else but his value could also be at a peak right now, or maybe this next summer if he can stay healthy. Toews will be a lot more reliable in the long run IMO.
 
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Balthazar said:
If that happens he's not going to cost much more than he would this summer. We're not getting a discount for last year's regression.


It's a lot easier to sign Toews if you need to than to un-sign him to make cap room.

Contender Avs don't make hockey trades during the season and even if they would and move Girard they can always re-up Toews.
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Not sign Toews and trading away a D is setting up a situation where you lose Toews and G in short order… or Toews has full leverage to grab 9m per
 
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This is why this off-season is going to be one we look back on as a pinnacle of success or failure.

So many damn balls in the air lol.
 
JLo217 said:
May not be a popular opinion but with the the Avalanche current D pool as draft picks, as risky as it is and Byrams health... I think I'm of the opinion of taking a risk on guys like Behrens and keeping Toews over Byram.

It would suck to see him take off somewhere else but his value could also be at a peak right now, or maybe this next summer if he can stay healthy. Toews will be a lot more reliable in the long run IMO.
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Byram++ for Pettersson next summer or at the deadline would make this team a heavy favorite again.
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:
Plenty. I would still re-sign Mikko quite frankly.
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How lol? I've seen all of ya'lls capfriendly rosters. A 9-10m center added.. Seems like the best option would be to get as much as you can for him in the way of younger assets who could contribute.

Especially considering how much he's going to want.
 
CobraAcesS said:
How lol? I've seen all of ya'lls capfriendly rosters. A 9-10m center added.. Seems like the best option would be to get as much as you can for him in the way of younger assets who could contribute.

Especially considering how much he's going to want.
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The thing is, if they keep Byram they're going to spend that same $9-10M on a DMan as well.


It would be really tough, but I think it could be manageable. Purely for arguments sake here, lets say for the 2025/26 season(First year MIkko re-signs) we are looking at the following, with a $92.5M cap:

- Toews re-signs for 7x$7.5M
- Mikko re-signs for 8x$12.5M
- Pettersson re-signed for 8x$10M


Colton - Mack - Mikko
Landy - Pettersson - Lehky
Wood - Ritchie - ????
$800k - $800k - $800k
$800k

Toews - Makar
Girard - Manson
$0.8M - Gulyayev
$0.8M

$3.5M Goalie
$1M backup goalie


That roster would be at $90.2M. So basically $2.3M left for a 3rd line winger. Perhaps LOC is re-signed for like $1.5M at this point.


If Landy's come back doesn't work out, you have even more room to work with as well. You could also likely create more room by shaving off the wingers money. Ritchie and Gulyayev would be in there D+3 seasons at this point, that's about when if they're going to be impact NHL guys for us, they would start getting NHL games.
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:
The thing is, if they keep Byram they're going to spend that same $9-10M on a DMan as well.


It would be really tough, but I think it could be manageable. Purely for arguments sake here, lets say for the 2025/26 season(First year MIkko re-signs) we are looking at the following, with a $92.5M cap:

- Toews re-signs for 7x$7.5M
- Mikko re-signs for 8x$12.5M
- Pettersson re-signed for 8x$10M


Colton - Mack - Mikko
Landy - Pettersson - Lehky
Wood - Ritchie - ????
$800k - $800k - $800k
$800k

Toews - Makar
Girard - Manson
$0.8M - Gulyayev
$0.8M

$3.5M Goalie
$1M backup goalie


That roster would be at $90.2M. So basically $2.3M left for a 3rd line winger. Perhaps LOC is re-signed for like $1.5M at this point.


If Landy's come back doesn't work out, you have even more room to work with as well. You could also likely create more room by shaving off the wingers money. Ritchie and Gulyayev would be in there D+3 seasons at this point, that's about when if they're going to be impact NHL guys for us, they would start getting NHL games.
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I mean.. damn that is very little room for error. I feel like if Toews was willing to sign for anything like that they'd be announcing it, but I'll stay glass half full lol.
 
Pierce Hawthorne said:
The thing is, if they keep Byram they're going to spend that same $9-10M on a DMan as well.


It would be really tough, but I think it could be manageable. Purely for arguments sake here, lets say for the 2025/26 season(First year MIkko re-signs) we are looking at the following, with a $92.5M cap:

- Toews re-signs for 7x$7.5M
- Mikko re-signs for 8x$12.5M
- Pettersson re-signed for 8x$10M


Colton - Mack - Mikko
Landy - Pettersson - Lehky
Wood - Ritchie - ????
$800k - $800k - $800k
$800k

Toews - Makar
Girard - Manson
$0.8M - Gulyayev
$0.8M

$3.5M Goalie
$1M backup goalie


That roster would be at $90.2M. So basically $2.3M left for a 3rd line winger. Perhaps LOC is re-signed for like $1.5M at this point.


If Landy's come back doesn't work out, you have even more room to work with as well. You could also likely create more room by shaving off the wingers money. Ritchie and Gulyayev would be in there D+3 seasons at this point, that's about when if they're going to be impact NHL guys for us, they would start getting NHL games.
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Did Nichushkin get offed by the Russian mafia in this scenario?
 
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CobraAcesS said:
I mean.. damn that is very little room for error. I feel like if Toews was willing to sign for anything like that they'd be announcing it, but I'll stay glass half full lol.
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I dont think the Avs will sign Toews for much more than that tbh. I actually think Pettersson is the one I cut short by a million or two.

But I definitely think it can work. They just need to shave money off the wing and move it to Center prettt much. Moving Nuke and/or Lehky would go a long way in giving us some comfortable wiggle room at Center.

Personally if Landy was back and playing at like 95%, I'd move both Nuke and Lehky. No need to be spending that much money on wingers. They're not that important.
 
Pierce Hawthorne said:
I dont think the Avs will sign Toews for much more than that tbh. I actually think Pettersson is the one I cut short by a million or two.

But I definitely think it can work. They just need to shave money off the wing and move it to Center prettt much. Moving Nuke and/or Lehky would go a long way in giving us some comfortable wiggle room at Center.
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Those two are a big part of the teams identity in how they play though. Especially if Landeskog does not return.
 
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CobraAcesS said:
Those two are a big part of the teams identity in how they play though. Especially if Landeskog does not return.
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Meh, they're not that important. Having an elite Center punch, and elite top pairing would be far more important.

But if Landy doesn't return then you can keep both. If he returns, you move at least one of them for sure.
 
Pierce Hawthorne said:
Meh, they're not that important. Having an elite Center punch, and elite top pairing would be far more important.

But if Landy doesn't return then you can keep both. If he returns, you move at least one of them for sure.
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I just think those kinds of wingers are rare, and integral to helping our defense and forecheck. You can see the wheels fall off for the line when one of them is removed quite clearly.

Mack & Mikko even together don't look the same without one of those three up there.

Having all three is one of the driving factors in us winning IMO.

Call me crazy, but Mikko will be paid way too much for what he brings in the playoffs.
 
CobraAcesS said:
Call me crazy, but Mikko will be paid way too much for what he brings in the playoffs.
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Mikko is 9th all time in points/game in playoffs. 4th in active players behind McDavid, Draisaitl and MacKinnon. Pretty sure his next contract is also going to be smaller than what those guys will make.
 
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LOFIN said:
Mikko is 9th all time in points/game in playoffs. 4th in active players behind McDavid, Draisaitl and MacKinnon. Pretty sure his next contract is also going to be smaller than what those guys will make.
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He's got every right to ask for as much as Mack, or very nearly. I'm definitely not saying he's bad, but 12m for Mikko when depth is so important.. Keep in mind, this is with the idea that a high end Center is acquired.

As it stands I'm perfectly happy with the top six considering the cap crunch.
 
Tommy Shelby said:
Why do we constantly complain about our lack of depth, and instead of discussing the logical move of trading a 5M salary player for 2-3 players with salaries adding up to ~5m, we talk about adding single 7-10M contracts?

October can't come soon enough.
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Some people just want to spend all the cap space on a handful of stars even if that means the rest of the lineup is garbage and we'd get decimated in the playoffs. Like literally 5 regulars making league minimum. :laugh:
 
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Balthazar said:
Some people just want to spend all the cap space on a handful of stars even if that means the rest of the lineup is garbage and we'd get decimated in the playoffs. Like literally 5 regulars making league minimum. :laugh:
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That scenario does work when you have a good pipeline of prospects coming in on ELCs to balance the stars but that definitely is not the Avs.
 
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Balthazar said:
Some people just want to spend all the cap space on a handful of stars even if that means the rest of the lineup is garbage and we'd get decimated in the playoffs. Like literally 5 regulars making league minimum. :laugh:
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I mean I get the draw of trying to keep those players. Chicago was able to win more than once with a center, a winger, and two D as their core.

So I'm not saying Mikko has to go, but if they go get someone like EP, yeah he does lol.
 
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