dahrougem2
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I don't think anyone could complement Johansen lol
Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Season Thread
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Lehk might be the best "value" contract we have right now
henchman21
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Lehky is a complimentary player, but a damn good one. He can play with skilled guys, do a lot of dirty work, and leech off some points to where he makes you think there is legit scoring ability there. But he's not a guy who can drive a line and ideally, he should always be the third best player on the line. If he's that, he's amazing. If he's expected to be a guy driving the offense as the best or 2nd best player on the line, he's going to struggle.
Teams very rarely have 6 legit top 6 guys and I'd argue Lehky is on that fringe. Just that Lehky is excellent at being the third wheel.
Here's an example of what I mean. Lehky has 8 points on the season, and 4 5v5. 6 of those points in total are with MacK and Rants. 2 of the 5v5 points are with MacK and Rants. Last season Lehky had 51 points and 20 on the PP. 18 of his 20 PP points were with both MacK and Rants (all 20 were with Rants). 10 of his ES points were with both MacK and Rants. 28 of his 51 points were with both of them. Mack specifically... Lehky averaged 2.7 points per 60 with and 1.7 without.
1.7 is still a solid number... but we're talking more 35 point guy than a 50-55 point guy.
When we're talking about him and Nuke... they are really the same types of players. Nuke is just a larger version and at his best he's more impactful and able to drive the play more. At his worse though, he's worse than Lehky. I'd probably choose Lehky over Nuke because of the term and lesser cap hit, but I'd get an argument to the other side too.
Teams very rarely have 6 legit top 6 guys and I'd argue Lehky is on that fringe. Just that Lehky is excellent at being the third wheel.
Here's an example of what I mean. Lehky has 8 points on the season, and 4 5v5. 6 of those points in total are with MacK and Rants. 2 of the 5v5 points are with MacK and Rants. Last season Lehky had 51 points and 20 on the PP. 18 of his 20 PP points were with both MacK and Rants (all 20 were with Rants). 10 of his ES points were with both MacK and Rants. 28 of his 51 points were with both of them. Mack specifically... Lehky averaged 2.7 points per 60 with and 1.7 without.
1.7 is still a solid number... but we're talking more 35 point guy than a 50-55 point guy.
When we're talking about him and Nuke... they are really the same types of players. Nuke is just a larger version and at his best he's more impactful and able to drive the play more. At his worse though, he's worse than Lehky. I'd probably choose Lehky over Nuke because of the term and lesser cap hit, but I'd get an argument to the other side too.
henchman21
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And this year only… I think it was a smart move to do for that locker room. If you can afford that stuff, you might as well do it.
Chicago is doing it too just more over two years than one.
Saying that, I can’t see Manson having those non-playoff teams that are trying to cusp over into the playoffs over two years on his list.
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Lehky would be FAR easier to trade than Nuke....and for good reasons.
I'm not even sure Nuke is tradable with that contract considering his last 15 months of play, the recent off ice stuff and his past struggles.
Put Lehky on the market and teams will line up.
I'm not even sure Nuke is tradable with that contract considering his last 15 months of play, the recent off ice stuff and his past struggles.
Put Lehky on the market and teams will line up.
Maybe Anaheim being good has some benefit to us? I'm reaching for hope here lol.
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The issue with trading for a 2C is that there really aren't teams out there with a surplus of centermen. Not good ones anyways, I think every forward in the CBJ organization is now a center but that's not really going to help us.
I suppose CMac could get a GM to stay on the line long enough to mention a first, but by the time he starts listing the player(s) he'd like to send back their way, all he'll have is a dial tone.
The roster is pretty well set due to the cap, so the players and the coaches all need to roll up their collective sleeves and get to work. There's lots to do, thankfully the playoffs don't start next week. They've got time, but they need to start acting professionally and remember people actually paid money to see what they do on the ice.
I suppose CMac could get a GM to stay on the line long enough to mention a first, but by the time he starts listing the player(s) he'd like to send back their way, all he'll have is a dial tone.
The roster is pretty well set due to the cap, so the players and the coaches all need to roll up their collective sleeves and get to work. There's lots to do, thankfully the playoffs don't start next week. They've got time, but they need to start acting professionally and remember people actually paid money to see what they do on the ice.
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You make it sound like Nuke has been averaging under 0.5ppg, he’s over 0.8 PPG, and is one of the better two-way wingers in the league.
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expatriatedtexan
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Didn't he put on a huge heater at the beginning of the season as well? I know that Mikko picked the team up and carried it for the better part of a month, but I want to say that Nuke did it on a smaller scale early on as well.
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expatriatedtexan
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Jesus...Joe hasn't spoken with the media this much in one year since his rookie tour.
Yeah, I think Nukes play and it never being good enough unless it results in him becoming the next PPG power forward for this team is the price of his massive failure of a skeleton team that didn't have a prayer with or without him, after he played all year really well with serious discomfort from a sacrifice he made for the logo in playing like a monster in the playoffs to help get us a cup.
That dude can never do enough because he betrayed us all. The dude got fully addicted to while trying to gut it out for this team, and people think he's shit.
It's pathetic to watch people talk shit like they actually know what hard is lol.
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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So…what I’m getting out of this is Bo for captain?
Jokes aside, I agree with you. We don’t know all the details, but we did hear that Nuke was having a lot of issues following the off-season surgery. Unfortunately the demands of the professional sports industry isn’t geared towards long term health, but rather making as much as you can of a limited window
BobRossColton
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Yeah, and I think Nuke was a warrior that stumbled. He's pretty good for that contract and what he does, but he can't drive a line on his own. He isn't Mikko..
Bednar need to look at Mack and Mikko, and Makar and remind them this team goes where they take us. They took those contracts. So they need to be it, if they can't carry this team maybe they should have took less.
Or I guess they wait until the cap goes up and we can build a proper team around them.
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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I still want Patrick Kane, if his slow down last year was due to his hips and he has recovered well that would be a huge addition. Lot of ifs, but the Avs have committed to a lot of ifs already for this season
BobRossColton
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On the trade Girard front... At this point I'd say best case scenario for a return for him would be a similarly paid forward that's also struggling. Even though his analytics have actually been really good this year(Or at least they were after 10 games, haven't looked after the last couple), only 1 point and a -8 just isn't good enough and for a guy his size that's going to be an issue for a lot of teams.
A swap for someone like Connor Garland or Josh Anderson maybe makes sense but we're not getting any sort of a 2C solution or legit Top 6 forward for him at this point, more like taking on a risk with a guy that could be a Top 6 forward for us but could just as easily continue being poor use of cap space.
One name that I'd be curious about keeping tabs on is Nik Ehlers in Winnipeg if they're outside of the playoffs at the deadline.
A swap for someone like Connor Garland or Josh Anderson maybe makes sense but we're not getting any sort of a 2C solution or legit Top 6 forward for him at this point, more like taking on a risk with a guy that could be a Top 6 forward for us but could just as easily continue being poor use of cap space.
One name that I'd be curious about keeping tabs on is Nik Ehlers in Winnipeg if they're outside of the playoffs at the deadline.
Freaky Styley
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IF Jones and Malinski can hold their own going forward, it does open up a lot of questions on the backend. At that point if I'm CMac I seriously start considering a Girard trade around the deadline that includes a forward going with him and a reliable stay-at-home RHD coming back our way .
RyJo
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would be the dream, but something along those lines. a more PG version of this would be:
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RyJo
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would be the dream, but something along those lines. a more PG version of this would be:
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Oh FFS! Timmy was a 2nd rounder when the team was desperate for D prosects who looked damn good until he had the misfortune to get rocked with a concussion.
All the complaints about Jost over Chychrun need to mention the fact this board wanted Logan Brown there.
You could try to sucker Dubas again.
The issue with Jost and I say this as one of his biggest detractors on this board is that he was literally picked at the same spot 1 year after Rants. I know when we made the pick, even the broadcast was like "Avs got a winner here" and whatnot. In hindsight, the dude just sucks but it is what it is.
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