Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Season Thread

[Freaky Styley]

Dallas is the most overrated team on HF

 

[Balthazar]

Dallas is the most overrated team on HF

I don't know...plenty of people still think that the Stars are mainly Benn and Seguin.

 

[Mighty Makar]

I hate this f***en fanbase.

 

[MacKaRtin]

I like Dallas' forwards and their goaltender (his melting in last year's playoffs notwithstanding). I think their problem is their defensemen.

Yeah, Ryan Suter as top pair singlehandedly lost them a game against Vegas, which was an important one in the context of that series.

 

[LOFIN]

Dallas is the most overrated team on HF

Just over here. The rest of the HFBoards see them for what they are: a good team who should have the pieces to contend a certainly battle for the division title. So far, they have failed to really do so, yet over here some people are talking about them like they are a lock for the Presidents Trophy and WCF.

 

[MacKaRtin]

Dallas is the most overrated team on HF

Avs are the most underrated team on HFAvs

 

[redacted]

...And at the end of the day, the Stars best players are still in a tier below the Avs star player. Which does make a difference, like it or not. And that makes a difference.

I'm not exactly scared of Dallas. They do have a good team. But they couldn't win the division last year when we had rolled the red carpet for them.

Maybe it makes a difference... but we have also seen many times teams with less star power than Dallas win the Cup. Even just this past season. Plus the star power couldn't carry the Avs over Seattle that had zero star. I do think people highly underrate Robertson and Heiskanen. Both of them are top players at their positions. IMO they have plenty of star power, what they need more than anything is Johnston to progress to a 1B sorta guy to give them a better 1-2 punch at center. They do that I think they have plenty to win. They'll likely need to pull off a Manson type trade for a RD, but those are available every year and easy to get.

Just over here. The rest of the HFBoards see them for what they are: a good team who should have the pieces to contend a certainly battle for the division title. So far, they have failed to really do so, yet over here some people are talking about them like they are a lock for the Presidents Trophy and WCF.

I don't think anybody is saying they are a lock top team in the West, but they are the Avs' top competition for the Central for sure.

 

[The Abusement Park]

You could also say going from 78 points to 55 is a big drop off. Is he regressing or that’s just one off kinda thing. He’d also be a question mark

I didn’t say he isn’t a question mark. I said he’s a safer bet than RyJo.

Just over here. The rest of the HFBoards see them for what they are: a good team who should have the pieces to contend a certainly battle for the division title. So far, they have failed to really do so, yet over here some people are talking about them like they are a lock for the Presidents Trophy and WCF.

I haven’t seen anyone say that…?

 

[dahrougem2]

The Avs/Kraken and then Stars/Kraken series can't be compared apples to apples, especially when looking at underlying numbers.

No Landeskog, no Nichushkin for 5 games, no Manson for a couple of games, no Makar for game 5, no Cogliano for game 7. Yet in the end at even strength the Avalanche still controlled the Corsi and Scoring Chances while having slightly less High Danger Chances.

The Avs, if healthy (again, this is a HUGE "if") are better than Seattle and better than Dallas. They are on par with Vegas.

Getting a "healthy" Manson back (manage his minutes IMO), Nichushkin back, Colton/Johansen/Wood/Drouin injected into the lineup for Compher/ERod/Newhook, Byram having another year under his belt plus a full summer to train properly, the team as a whole getting a proper summer to rest after the insanely short post-SCF rest.

We're quick on this board to anoint anyone besides the Avs as the "next big thing" or the team to beat or whatever.

The only team to beat in the West is Vegas IMO for the Avs. They can handle everyone else if they are healthy. Whether they can get to the playoffs healthy is an entirely different discussion.

 

[NateTheGreat]

I don't know...plenty of people still think that the Stars are mainly Benn and Seguin.

Well considering Benn and Seguin finished 2nd and 6th in points on the team, as well as a now 39 year old Pavelski finishing 3rd, I’d say they are still very much relevant to the teams success or failure going into next season.

 

[Avsboy]

The Avs/Kraken and then Stars/Kraken series can't be compared apples to apples, especially when looking at underlying numbers.

No Landeskog, no Nichushkin for 5 games, no Manson for a couple of games, no Makar for game 5, no Cogliano for game 7. Yet in the end at even strength the Avalanche still controlled the Corsi and Scoring Chances while having slightly less High Danger Chances.

The Avs, if healthy (again, this is a HUGE "if") are better than Seattle and better than Dallas. They are on par with Vegas.

Getting a "healthy" Manson back (manage his minutes IMO), Nichushkin back, Colton/Johansen/Wood/Drouin injected into the lineup for Compher/ERod/Newhook, Byram having another year under his belt plus a full summer to train properly, the team as a whole getting a proper summer to rest after the insanely short post-SCF rest.

We're quick on this board to anoint anyone besides the Avs as the "next big thing" or the team to beat or whatever.

The only team to beat in the West is Vegas IMO for the Avs. They can handle everyone else if they are healthy. Whether they can get to the playoffs healthy is an entirely different discussion.

The team might lack synergies in a big way

 

[Nihiliste]

The Avs/Kraken and then Stars/Kraken series can't be compared apples to apples, especially when looking at underlying numbers.

No Landeskog, no Nichushkin for 5 games, no Manson for a couple of games, no Makar for game 5, no Cogliano for game 7. Yet in the end at even strength the Avalanche still controlled the Corsi and Scoring Chances while having slightly less High Danger Chances.

The Avs, if healthy (again, this is a HUGE "if") are better than Seattle and better than Dallas. They are on par with Vegas.

Getting a "healthy" Manson back (manage his minutes IMO), Nichushkin back, Colton/Johansen/Wood/Drouin injected into the lineup for Compher/ERod/Newhook, Byram having another year under his belt plus a full summer to train properly, the team as a whole getting a proper summer to rest after the insanely short post-SCF rest.

We're quick on this board to anoint anyone besides the Avs as the "next big thing" or the team to beat or whatever.

The only team to beat in the West is Vegas IMO for the Avs. They can handle everyone else if they are healthy. Whether they can get to the playoffs healthy is an entirely different discussion.

There are too many holes and ifs I think. Since Landeskog is really probably done and not pulling a Mark Stone I think we’re probably done winning cups unless Macfarland and Sakic pull off some very unbalanced trades. We’ll still be pretty good for a bit though

 

[AllAboutAvs]

The Avs/Kraken and then Stars/Kraken series can't be compared apples to apples, especially when looking at underlying numbers.

No Landeskog, no Nichushkin for 5 games, no Manson for a couple of games, no Makar for game 5, no Cogliano for game 7. Yet in the end at even strength the Avalanche still controlled the Corsi and Scoring Chances while having slightly less High Danger Chances.

The Avs, if healthy (again, this is a HUGE "if") are better than Seattle and better than Dallas. They are on par with Vegas.

Getting a "healthy" Manson back (manage his minutes IMO), Nichushkin back, Colton/Johansen/Wood/Drouin injected into the lineup for Compher/ERod/Newhook, Byram having another year under his belt plus a full summer to train properly, the team as a whole getting a proper summer to rest after the insanely short post-SCF rest.

We're quick on this board to anoint anyone besides the Avs as the "next big thing" or the team to beat or whatever.

The only team to beat in the West is Vegas IMO for the Avs. They can handle everyone else if they are healthy. Whether they can get to the playoffs healthy is an entirely different discussion.

Agree with all of this.

IMO the Avs will always have more injuries than other teams. They are a lot more cautious with their players.

Which players were Seatlle missing against us? McCann. Who else?

Take the players on Dallas out that compare to our players you listed above and I would bet the same Seattle team that beat us takes care of them easily. Heck Dallas might not have made the playoffs with comparable injuries that we had.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Agree with all of this.

IMO the Avs will always have more injuries than other teams. They are a lot more cautious with their players.

Which players were Seatlle missing against us? McCann. Who else?

Take the players on Dallas out that compare to our players you listed above and I would bet the same Seattle team that beat us takes care of them easily. Heck Dallas might not have made the playoffs with comparable injuries that we had.

You forgot Burakovsky.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

You forgot Burakovsky.

Right I did. That is why I was asking lol. My point stands though.

 

[LOFIN]

I don't think anybody is saying they are a lock top team in the West, but they are the Avs' top competition for the Central for sure.

I thought you had them as a top contender along the Devils about a month ago? Or maybe that was ranking the forward corps around the league...

As for the bolded, agreed. But that's more of an indictment on Central as a whole. There really isn't anything that good after us and Dallas. Wild and St. Louis will battle for a playoff spot but I can't see them challenging for the division.

I don't really like posting anything KHL related, but Nuke seems fine I guess?

 

[Avs_19]

The comeback is going to be special. Can’t wait.

No need to worry about Dallas when Val is back.

 

[redacted]

I thought you had them as a top contender along the Devils about a month ago? Or maybe that was ranking the forward corps around the league...

As for the bolded, agreed. But that's more of an indictment on Central as a whole. There really isn't anything that good after us and Dallas. Wild and St. Louis will battle for a playoff spot but I can't see them challenging for the division.

I don't really like posting anything KHL related, but Nuke seems fine I guess?

I've posted about articles saying Dallas is one of the most improved teams which is probably what you are thinking of. I've stated I think Dallas is a contender and one of the top contenders in the West. I haven't said they are the lock best team in the West.

I think the Devils are the top contender by a decent margin. Goaltending is a big question.

The central as a whole is kinda messy. Dallas and Colorado are the more proven teams who should be projected towards the top. Winnipeg for the stats guys are supposed to be a surprise team, but things seem rotten there. Wild are always better than people expect, but they don't have the right pieces or space to supplement... they'll be 2 or 3 unless they make a big move or two... or Rossi breaks out in a big way. St Louis is a wildcard. They took some big chances that might have big payoffs... or they could just suck. Sneakily... Arizona is going to be a pain. Not that they are a good team, but they will siphon off points that were gimmies in prior seasons.

 

[JLo217]

The comeback is going to be special. Can’t wait.

No need to worry about Dallas when Val is back.

I bet that 30,000 dollars will go super far lol.

When it comes to the Avalanche I'm so tired of reading about the Dallas Stars in this thread. Can we move it to it's own dedicated thread? Maybe a division thread?

I just want to enjoy the cup from a year + ago and watch some hockey and dream about players that'll never come here. Not read about how good or bad Dallas will be haha.

 

[missionAvs]

I bet that 30,000 dollars will go super far lol.

When it comes to the Avalanche I'm so tired of reading about the Dallas Stars in this thread. Can we move it to it's own dedicated thread? Maybe a division thread?

I just want to enjoy the cup from a year + ago and watch some hockey and dream about players that'll never come here. Not read about how good or bad Dallas will be haha.

Vegas winning erased our win the year before. I'm sorry but the reality is that we're back to 2nd round chokers.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

I bet that 30,000 dollars will go super far lol.

When it comes to the Avalanche I'm so tired of reading about the Dallas Stars in this thread. Can we move it to it's own dedicated thread? Maybe a division thread?

I just want to enjoy the cup from a year + ago and watch some hockey and dream about players that'll never come here. Not read about how good or bad Dallas will be haha.

Unfortunately the problem with creating a separate thread is you start reading the same things in multiple threads because people will not stop writing the same arguments here.

 

[redacted]

The real problem is since mid July, we've had Colton singed, Meyers re-signed, and two ELCs. We've run out of new shit to talk about, so we have to pass the time somehow... and what better way than debate nuance for 10 pages. At least you don't get to hear me scream about Newhook's skating and ability at center anymore.

 

[JLo217]

The real problem is since mid July, we've had Colton singed, Meyers re-signed, and two ELCs. We've run out of new shit to talk about, so we have to pass the time somehow... and what better way than debate nuance for 10 pages. At least you don't get to hear me scream about Newhook's skating and ability at center anymore.

I'd take that back haha

 

[redacted]

I'd take that back haha

We could go even further to the Jost, well... oh boy he sure works real hard, he's gotta be ROR 2.0!

 

[ABasin]

Vegas winning erased our win the year before. I'm sorry but the reality is that we're back to 2nd round chokers.

Well, I'm not sure that 'chokers' is really accurate, but I am concerned that last year's loss to Seattle was due to the same reason(s) they lost to Vegas 3 years ago:

Their defensemen couldn't overcome a hard aggressive forecheck, and the goaltender let in some softies.