Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Season Thread

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I rather have more depth on D than up front. You don’t want Luke Schen jumping up and playing on top 2 pairs if Girard or anyone else gets hurt. I rather give another chance to Manson next season and maybe he can stay healthy

Why?

It's been proven countless times including as recently as last year with Vegas that you really don't need an elite defense or especially defensive depth to win the cup.


But you do need lots of forward depth.

 

[Sea Eagles]

Wasn’t Nuke having problems last year with the scar tissue from his surgery rubbing in his skate? Are we to believe this now or was this a cover story for other issues? To me, a healthy Nuke goes a long way in our top 6. He was in and out of the lineup constantly last year if I remember correctly.

I’m excited for the potential physicality of the third line this year, even if it means more stupid penalties. With that being said that 3rd line wing spot could make or break us. We likely need a much better PK to be successful.

Nuke is a beast. I think his injuries were a hangover from the season before (Stanley Cup year), where he literally had to get rolled out of the stadium afterwards. He is absolutely top 6 any day of the week, and when healthy and in form, one of the most physically dominating machines in the NHL.

He's top 6, along with Rantanen, Johansen, Lehkonen, Drouin, Mackinnon - WOW what a top 6. Can't find a place for Colton in that either atm.

You wait, Hockey will centre and focus Nuke,, he's going to come out on a mission.

 

[Gruyeriev]

Nuke is a beast. I think his injuries were a hangover from the season before (Stanley Cup year), where he literally had to get rolled out of the stadium afterwards. He is absolutely top 6 any day of the week, and when healthy and in form, one of the most physically dominating machines in the NHL.

He's top 6, along with Rantanen, Johansen, Lehkonen, Drouin, Mackinnon - WOW what a top 6. Can't find a place for Colton in that either atm.

You wait, Hockey will centre and focus Nuke,, he's going to come out on a mission.

I hope you are right. Other than Vegas and maybe Dallas the west is still pretty weak. I would love to come out as underdogs again and prove everybody else wrong.

 

[Sea Eagles]

Man I hope you are right but Drouin on a line with Mack really is putting all the pressure on Lehks or Nuke to do all the Defensive work. I’d say even more so than the original 9296 line with Landeskog.(meaning Mikko is not as bad as Drouin defensively.)

With the amount of grit, skill and offense that is littered through our top 9, along with hybrid forwards like Makar, Toews, Byram and G (and hopefully Malinski), I hope we'll be spending WAY more time in the O zones, than hemmed into our D zone. Similar to what happened in our Stanley Cup season (injuries kind of affected that last season).

Also, don't discount a line of Wood - Colton - LOC to be absolutely elite defensively. I'd HATE to be coming up against those boys, particularly if we had say Manson - Byram on the back-end.

BEAST - MODE - ACTIVATE

 

[Valushkin]

Why?

It's been proven countless times including as recently as last year with Vegas that you really don't need an elite defense or especially defensive depth to win the cup.


But you do need lots of forward depth.

Technically you need good balance between D and forwards, but right now Avs have JJ as a regular on that 3rd pair, so if they didn’t have Manson, who do you have playing with JJ? MacDermid? And do you really want JJ or MacDermid playing top 4 minutes when there are injuries?

 

[Sea Eagles]

Technically you need good balance between D and forwards, but right now Avs have JJ as a regular on that 3rd pair, so if they didn’t have Manson, who do you have playing with JJ? MacDermid? And do you really want JJ or MacDermid playing top 4 minutes when there are injuries?

I'm not so sure mate. If this kid rocks it out of camp, I think he's a smokey to make the team:

 

[Valushkin]

I'm not so sure mate. If this kid rocks it out of camp, I think he's a smokey to make the team:

Hopefully he makes it

 

[Foppa2118]

I just hope the PK is damn good this season, cause with RyJo and Wood added to the team, they're likely to be on the PK two to three more times every game than they were last season, and on the PP less times.

Or they get more power plays now when the refs game manage the game to even out the calls.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

if not RyJo, what other 2C options would be out there? Lindholm, Scheifele? Those players aren’t available as far as we know. Maybe they become available mid season maybe not.

Who else? I can’t think of many names if any

Duchene, ROR, Staz...oh wait they all suck now

 

[Valushkin]

Duchene, ROR, Staz...oh wait they all suck now

ROR could have been an option for that price but not 4 years.

I already stated my opinion on Duchene. Don’t want him back period.

Staz is almost done with hockey. Right now he’s 4th line maybe 3rd line player at best

 

[ABasin]

I don't agree on Dallas especially with Oettinger playing the way he did.

Thank you.

Not sure what everyone in here saw in Dallas in last year's playoffs, but that wasn't a very good team. Especially with their goaltending falling apart the way it did.

Vegas? Yeah, no way the Avs were beating them. Dallas? I could easily see it with a healthy roster.

I truly don't understand how anyone thinks the Avs could become a wild card team, when they had a worse team on paper last year, that was decimated by injuries, and still won the division.

Barring season ending injuries to key players of course.

They were tied for 2nd in the West and 2 points out of 1st too.

That's not a glass half empty vs glass half full situation. That's pouring the glass out so you can say it's half empty.

Correct. The wild card talk is a bit nutty, IMO. Especially given the way the Central is looking.

 

[redacted]

There are always plenty of 2C options out there. Just have to be willing to pay. Kuznetsov could be here instead of RyJo. So could Lindholm or Scheifele.

Thank you.

Not sure what everyone in here saw in Dallas in last year's playoffs, but that wasn't a very good team. Especially with their goaltending falling apart the way it did.

Vegas? Yeah, no way the Avs were beating them. Dallas? I could easily see it with a healthy roster.


Correct. The wild card talk is a bit nutty, IMO. Especially given the way the Central is looking.

I think people saw a team that handled Seattle pretty well. Even with Otter playing poorly. That same Seattle team that outmatched the Avs with depth was outmatched.

Somewhere in the middle of the playoffs is where I’d have the Avs. A 30 point RyJo and Colton not cutting it at center would be enough though to downgrade the team. I don’t think both will happen, but in the realm of possibility and I’d argue far more possible than Drouin putting up 60 points. Add to that, Central still isn’t great but teams improved outside of Winnipeg and arguably they are much deeper this year.

 

[forsbergavs32]

Just forfeit the season and relegate the team to Siberia. Right @SoundwaveIsCharisma ?

 

[NateTheGreat]

Dallas beat Seattle by one goal in a game 7, I wouldn’t say that’s handled pretty well. One bounce and the series goes the other way.

Dallas has aging players playing key roles for them in Seguin, Benn, Pavelski, Duchene and even Suter. Any improvement they get from their young players can be offset by the decline of their older guys. Oettinger also hasn’t been a top 5 goalie many thought he’d become at this point in his career. I just don’t get the love affair with that team.

 

[redacted]

Just forfeit the season and relegate the team to Siberia. Right @SoundwaveIsCharisma ?

I understand we are a fairly snarky fanbase and joke a lot about random things that don’t matter or pertain to the subject at hand… but mods getting snarky when any talk of a struggle is in bad taste IMO. It sets a poor tone for the discussion.

 

[redacted]

Dallas beat Seattle by one goal in a game 7, I wouldn’t say that’s handled pretty well. One bounce and the series goes the other way.

Dallas has aging players playing key roles for them in Seguin, Benn, Pavelski, Duchene and even Suter. Any improvement they get from their young players can be offset by the decline of their older guys. Oettinger also hasn’t been a top 5 goalie many thought he’d become at this point in his career. I just don’t get the love affair with that team.

Dallas beat Seattle in game 7. If you look at the advanced stats, they dominated the series. Eye test they dominated the series. Otter just played poorly. If he was average, they win that series in 5, maybe 4.

If you look at the Avs series stats, it is closer to a toss up. George giving up a shit goal a game and the Avs depth doing nothing cost them.

Dallas is older than the Avs, but just barely (4th and 6th oldest teams in the league). Their ages are different. Avs have a whole group 27-30. Stars have guys 20-25 and 30-35++. Both have significant regression risk.

 

[forsbergavs32]

I understand we are a fairly snarky fanbase and joke a lot about random things that don’t matter or pertain to the subject at hand… but mods getting snarky when any talk of a struggle is in bad taste IMO. It sets a poor tone for the discussion.

It’s fine for people to go on for months and months about the same thing over and over again, but as soon as a mod says something it’s suddenly in bad taste and sets a poor tone? My one comment wasn’t going to have any effect regardless.

Think about it in a mods shoes. Having to see the same stuff spewed over and over and having to go through all of it and deal with what’s out of hand.

 

[redacted]

It’s fine for people to go on for months and months about the same thing over and over again, but as soon as a mod says something it’s suddenly in bad taste and sets a poor tone? My one comment wasn’t going to have any effect regardless.

Think about it in a mods shoes. Having to see the same stuff spewed over and over and having to go through all of it and deal with what’s out of hand.

It is what a message board is for… discussing pointless things that none of us can control to pass the time.

Where I think it is in bad taste is the Mods are the adults in the room. If the adults are acting one way, the kids will think it is okay to do so as well. Instead of having discussion, we end up in snark and hyperbole. And yeah it is unfair to hold Mods to that level, but IMO, that is part of the responsibility of being a moderator. You’re supposed to be the adult in the room, not pushing it to the snarky side. Nobody here, at least that I saw, was being out of hand… so no mess to clean up.

@henchman21 did you delete your last post or a mod deleted it?

I don’t think any post of mine disappeared. I didn’t delete nor do I think one got deleted.

 

[Valushkin]

A completely healthy Avs team would beat Seattle and Dallas but probably not Vegas because of the center depth. When I say completely healthy that includes Landy, Manson, also if Nuke didn’t do what he did and he was available

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Just forfeit the season and relegate the team to Siberia. Right @SoundwaveIsCharisma ?

Fold the dam franchise, and every other Kroenke owned franchise!

 

[lionsDen]

It is what a message board is for… discussing pointless things that none of us can control to pass the time.

Where I think it is in bad taste is the Mods are the adults in the room. If the adults are acting one way, the kids will think it is okay to do so as well. Instead of having discussion, we end up in snark and hyperbole. And yeah it is unfair to hold Mods to that level, but IMO, that is part of the responsibility of being a moderator. You’re supposed to be the adult in the room, not pushing it to the snarky side. Nobody here, at least that I saw, was being out of hand… so no mess to clean up.


I don’t think any post of mine disappeared. I didn’t delete nor do I think one got deleted.

forsbergavs32 for president…imo

 

[redacted]

forsbergavs32 for president…imo

I’m on the anybody below 80 train, so likely has my vote.

 

[forsbergavs32]

I’m on the anybody below 80 train, so likely has my vote.

I’m only 79 1/2 years old, so that’s perfect

 

[missionAvs]

Fold the dam franchise, and every other Kroenke owned franchise!

Arsenal comes in and wins the cup probably.

 

[MacKaRtin]

Watching them punt on last years deadline and keeping both 1st rounders this year just doesn't give me confidence they'll do it.

I mean, there are two schools of thought on this. For one, if the first rounders they selected have strong draft + 1 years, they might be worth more than magic beans picks in what's said to be a weaker draft. Or they could turn out like Olausson and lose almost all value. Secondly, with the upcoming cap crunch, this team will be desperate for players on ELCs that can contribute something more than fourth liners or bottom pair NHL vets. Third, waiting until the TDL allows us to see what kind of shape we're in, where the holes are in the lineup, and maybe even have an inkling of whether Landy might make a miracle comeback for the playoffs.

Trading away one or both picks at the draft (where not a lot of movement happened anyway) would have been exchanging future flexibility for whomever was available at that time. Not trading then at that time doesn't preclude us from trading them later.

If we had burned one or both picks at the draft, we would have been locked into whatever.