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Exactly. Factoring in Lindholm's raise, he's still much cheaper than Rantanen going forward giving roster flexibility AND the two most important positions to winning (center depth and top tier defense) are solved going forward.

I'm not even saying lose Mikko now. Try to win this year and next (assuming Landy is done) then let Mikko walk. This core's window is over after that season anyway. Then go into the retool with MacKinnon/Lindholm and Toews/Makar/Girard.

And if Calgary knows what they're doing, they immediatly glue Byram to their PP1 and start grooming him to be their #1D of the future.



Posters here are going to have a bad time over the next year and a half when they slowly realize Mikko's contract demands are going to be insanely high and there will be plenty of teams who are willing to give it to him.

I think you look at shedding the waste on this team before worrying about the extra $3M Rantanen is going to get on his next contract.

Mikko leaving feels like the end for this team, tbh. I don’t think they have the firepower to get it done without him.
 

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Honestly I think theres an avenue to being able to keep both Lindholm and Rantanen still.

I'd have to look into the numbers further but I think it could work. The key likely being that Landy ends up on LTIRetirement unfortunately.

Oh it's possible. But I shudder to think of the quality of the bottom six and bottom pairing to make that work. Def not cup worthy.

The Avs not being able to draft for shit is finally catching up to them.
 

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Factoring in Lindholm's raise, he's still much cheaper than Rantanen going forward giving roster flexibility AND the two most important positions to winning (center depth and top tier defense) are solved going forward.

There's a reason you don't see teams trading their superstars for pieces that often. Just because the depth may look better, doesn't mean the team is better. A 50pt 2nd line winger at $4mil over a 35pt young kid at $1mil isnt worth the difference between a Rants and a Lindholm.

Not to mention Rants could probably be a better 2c anyways.

Don't want to pile on further, but this is like a classic debate that makes no sense in context to the Avs.
 

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2C is not more important than 1W and losing Mikko and Bo to add Lindholm makes the team worse. Just losing Mikko to add Lindholm makes them worse let alone adding Bo in trade.

Lindholm is one year older than Mikko and has 1 season where he was exactly point per game with 82 points.

Mikko has 5 seasons that are point per game plus and 4 seasons with more than 82 points.

Mikko also has twice as many points this year (12 vs 6) in one less game.

Plus with an elite winger like Mikko you have the option to either let him drive a line by himself, or load up a top line to help you come back in games, or in the playoffs when you need goals. You don't have that option when you spend that money on another center like Lindholm.

I'm struggling to see how they can afford Lindholm the next two years without moving out a big salary anyway. They can't even afford 50% of his $4.85M this year with only $1M of Franky's LTTIR space available. And next year they're only $2.6M under an $87.5M cap with 14 players signed.

So either they lose Mikko before he becomes a UFA or the cost of adding Lindholm will likely be Mikko (to UFA), Bo (in trade for Lindholm), and then someone like Val or Lehky (cap trade). Might have to replace Manson with a cheaper D anyway.

Not to mention the impact it will have on the team by turning their biggest strength in the defense into a top heavy group that can't afford to fill out the rest properly.
 

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What we try to do is to get Bennett while trading Manson, G and RyJo..

Here's two
RyJo
Manson
Foudy
2024 1st
For
Peeke
Sillinger

Ritchie
Girard
For
Bennett

With Tufte as a scratch
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Why is no one talking about Tanev? He seems like the most obvious fit from Calgary's pending UFA's given the Avs gaping hole at 2RHD and his perfect stylistic fit with Girard and/or Byram.
Yeah he’s very easily who I’d target the most from Calgary I think. This team desperately needs a top 4 RD and he’d round out the defense insanely well.

Toews-Makar
Girard-Tanev
Byram-Manson
 
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Why is no one talking about Tanev? He seems like the most obvious fit from Calgary's pending UFA's given the Avs gaping hole at 2RHD and his perfect stylistic fit with Girard and/or Byram.

For this year? Avs can't afford his $4.5M even at 50%. He's about to turn 34 also so he's probably not in their long term plans.
 

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Oh it's possible. But I shudder to think of the quality of the bottom six and bottom pairing to make that work. Def not cup worthy.

The Avs not being able to draft for shit is finally catching up to them.
Meh, in the same manner that Centers are far more important than Wingers, as long as they can hang onto a solid 3C and 4C, the wingers don't matter that much.


If they can do:

Mack
Lindholm
Colton
X(Olofsson has actually been great as the 4C so far)

Down the middle and hang onto Mikko, Nuke, and Lehky on the wing... The rest don't matter all that much.

Why is no one talking about Tanev? He seems like the most obvious fit from Calgary's pending UFA's given the Avs gaping hole at 2RHD and his perfect stylistic fit with Girard and/or Byram.

Would absolutely be another top target.

Byram+ for Lindholm + Tanev would make this team a heavy cup favorite this year fwiw.
 
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Why is no one talking about Tanev? He seems like the most obvious fit from Calgary's pending UFA's given the Avs gaping hole at 2RHD and his perfect stylistic fit with Girard and/or Byram.
Plus he’s made of glass so he’s fit right in.

Seriously, would love a Tanev addition for this team and wanted him back when Calgary signed him despite the injury concerns. Excellent defensive D and would be a fantastic fit with a G or Byram
 
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Funny enough I actually think the Avs would have an easier time fitting Lindholm in in 2025/26 versus next year.

It's almost impossible to do next year unless the cap ends up going up to more than $87.5M or we win the cup with Lindholm this year and after getting a taste of winning he takes less to stay here versus hitting the market and we sign him for like ~$7.5M instead of $8.5M. We simply have zero wiggle room next year.


In 2025/26 with the cap projected to be ~$92.5M-95.0M, we'd actually have some room to get Mikko at say $13M and Lindholm at $8.5M.


Of course, none of it is possible if Landy returns and doesn't retire anyway.
 

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What needs to happen is kovalenko needs to be Nuke 2.0 and we trade Nuke before mikko's renewal
Well, yes and no. Dont think we should trade Nuke. Honestly for what he brings, $6.125M is a bargain. Lehkonen should be the one traded if we have to trade one of them. A time machine to not sign Wood would also be great :laugh:



But we also dont want Kovalenko to come over and blow up right away either. He only has a 1 year ELC so he's an RFA this summer. We need him to have a slow start but decent enough to show he belongs... Then the Avs need to sign him to the same 3-4 year $2.5M deal they signed Nuke to that one summer, then we need him to completely blow up and become a 50+ point player.... Highly unlikely but that's kind of what they need quite frankly. We need somebody to breakout that is unexpected.
 
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Yeah kovalenko needs to be a slow burn.

It's interesting in general to see what that toews extension has done to our cap, even though everyone was agreement to extending him.
 

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Which salary? They have $450k in LTIR space according to CapFriendly.
I mean Jones and Tufte coming up today took off ~1.5mil of cap space. So assuming we're running a 21 man roster like normal we'll have a little over 2mil in cap space at the deadline. Plus we can move Drouin, Tatar, MacDermid, JJ in a deal for Tanev. It wouldn't be a challenge to acquire him at all.
 

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Why is no one talking about Tanev? He seems like the most obvious fit from Calgary's pending UFA's given the Avs gaping hole at 2RHD and his perfect stylistic fit with Girard and/or Byram.
Guys already made of glass can you imagine what will happen if he becomes an Av.
 
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