Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Season Thread

[niwotsblessing]

That Schiefele contract is going to be horrific, very soon.

By puck drop of Winterpeg's first game.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

overheard in the Jets front office :

Chevy - ''So what should we do? We seem to be a middling, bubble playoff team, year after year...''
Lackey - ''Well, maybe we could...''
Chevy - (interrupts) ''I'VE GOT IT!!! What if we paid our top players MORE money? Surely, THAT would make them play even better and finally put us over the top!?!?''
Lackey - ''That's just crazy enough to work!''

Those re-signings definitely seem like this is true. Odd decision for a team that has been stuck in mediocrity

 

[JH21]

Those re-signings definitely seem like this is true. Odd decision for a team that has been stuck in mediocrity

Teams still need to get fans in the seats no?

 

[Alienblood]

Yeah that might end up being thr case... The issue is Mikko is up first and so far our management hasn't really shown to be cut throat with that kind of a decision.

I'd bet they re-sign Mikko and then wouldn't be surprised if they simply run out of money to keep Cale.


The big question will be Landy. If he never ends up coming back, they can probably afford Cale and Mikko. But knowing Landy I just don't think he's done at all.

since our window will he closed why would we even sign Cale ? Trade for assets after this year , since once again, our window will be closed lol

 

[Alienblood]

Lol, if that is the case Bo showed Toews the damn door this year.

I think that's the plan. They may sign Toews for 5 years but to.become the #3 d

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

since our window will he closed why would we even sign Cale ? Trade for assets after this year , since once again, our window will be closed lol

I get your trolling... But Cale is young enough that we could start a rebuild and still build around him as part of the core. He could be ~29-30 when the next window would open up.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

I get your trolling... But Cale is young enough that we could start a rebuild and still build around him as part of the core. He could be ~29-30 when the next window would open up.

And we are potentially talking about generational defenseman. He could last for a long time.

As long as he wants to stay here, he should have two windows to win imo. There might be a mini retool at some point or a bit bigger rebuild though between.

since our window will he closed why would we even sign Cale ? Trade for assets after this year , since once again, our window will be closed lol

I know you are joking, but Makar should never be traded. Just like MacK. These are special players. I'd add Rantanen, Landeskog(healthy) to same mix.

Keep the elite players at all cost. Imo.

 

[Linds]

And we are potentially talking about generational defenseman. He could last for a long time.

As long as he wants to stay here, he should have two windows to win imo. There might be a mini retool at some point or a bit bigger rebuild though between.


I know you are joking, but Makar should never be traded. Just like MacK. These are special players. I'd add Rantanen, Landeskog(healthy) to same mix.

Keep the elite players at all cost. Imo.

Yes I think Joe and Cmac are planning for the retool in roughly 3 to 4 years. They demonstrated this by keeping and drafting 2 first round picks

 

[AvsInRhodey]

I get your trolling... But Cale is young enough that we could start a rebuild and still build around him as part of the core. He could be ~29-30 when the next window would open up.

When Cale turns 30, he will still be good, but he will likely be slowing down just a bit. The problem with anticpating a second rebuild happening around that time is that Mack will be 33, proabaly not same level of player he is today at all, and still have 3 years left on his massive contract. Nuke will be 33 and still have a 2 years left and probably showing a lot of wear and tear in his game. Landy will be 35 and still on the books for another year. Mikko (32) will be getting up there in age and will have a fatter contract to account for. Byram will only be 27, but he'll have a much fatter contract. This all makes us a very top heavy team for at least another 8 years.

Yes, we can shed some of these players to attempt a rebuild, but the majority of our core players are becoming diminishing assets that aren't going to return a whole lot in trade value since their contracts aren't going to be easy to move. I might feel more optimistic if we had a handful blue chip prospects to project out as elite replacements, but alas, weve got Richie and Gulayav as the only 2 guys with a shot at being top of the lineup players. We have a lot of runway left in this current window until we get there, but clearly our team is going to have some tougher years ahead before it gets better again. Unfortunately I don’t see a rebuild turning the corner until most of the team, Cale included, are retired or in the twilight of their careers.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

When Cale turns 30, he will still be good, but he will likely be slowing down just a bit. The problem with anticpating a second rebuild happening around that time is that Mack will be 33, proabaly not same level of player he is today at all, and still have 3 years left on his massive contract. Nuke will be 33 and still have a 2 years left and probably showing a lot of wear and tear in his game. Landy will be 35 and still on the books for another year. Mikko (32) will be getting up there in age and will have a fatter contract to account for. Byram will only be 27, but he'll have a much fatter contract. This all makes us a very top heavy team for at least another 8 years.

Yes, we can shed some of these players to attempt a rebuild, but the majority of our core players are becoming diminishing assets that aren't going to return a whole lot in trade value since their contracts aren't going to be easy to move. I might feel more optimistic if we had a handful blue chip prospects to project out as elite replacements, but alas, weve got Richie and Gulayav as the only 2 guys with a shot at being top of the lineup players. We have a lot of runway left in this current window until we get there, but clearly our team is going to have some tougher years ahead before it gets better again. Unfortunately I don’t see a rebuild turning the corner until most of the team, Cale included, are retired or in the twilight of their careers.

That's where the importance of getting new core players to replace the current core would come into the fold as well as trying to complete the retool(I wouldn't say full rebuild) within a ~2 year time frame would be ideal.

It would never happen because I dont think Avs management would ever admit the window has closed at an appropriate time with this current core... But if they did, I think they could still start a solid 2-3 year retool and come out of it with 3-4 brand new core level(IE Top pairing Dmen or top line forwards) players on the team, to go along with a 31 year old Mackinnon, 27/28 year old Makar, 26 year old Byram, 29 year old Girard, etc. etc.

 

[Richard Doll]

I am sure I am missing something, and to be fair, I have only looked at his stats, but Prosvetov doesn't seem that exciting to me, at-least doesn't appear an obvious upgrade over Annunen.

I suppose letting Annunen get the majority of games with the Eagles to develop as our long-term backup/maybe eventual starter is good, I just don't see the excitement over Prosvetov.

 

[missionAvs]

I am sure I am missing something, and to be fair, I have only looked at his stats, but Prosvetov doesn't seem that exciting to me, at-least doesn't appear an obvious upgrade over Annunen.

I suppose letting Annunen get the majority of games with the Eagles to develop as our long-term backup/maybe eventual starter is good, I just don't see the excitement over Prosvetov.

Brother guy, the man was just waived by the Arizona Coyotes. That's like getting fired from staffing a charity dinner level event. I think the only party here excited is him to finally get out of dodge.

 

[Richard Doll]

Brother guy, the man was just waived by the Arizona Coyotes. That's like getting fired from staffing a charity dinner level event. I think the only party here excited is him to finally get out of dodge.

I was mostly responding that I saw several posts after the claim from folks saying how much they liked the pickup. Perhaps they were just excited we picked up an additional goalie, but it seemed there were several folks who actually liked the player, which is what I didn't understand, as he just doesn't jump out as in improvement at backup to me.

 

[henchman21]

Prosvetov is a guy I’ve liked for a long time. Has size and is super athletic. Holes in his game for sure, but he has the athletic tools to succeed in the NHL unlike Annunen.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I was mostly responding that I saw several posts after the claim from folks saying how much they liked the pickup. Perhaps they were just excited we picked up an additional goalie, but it seemed there were several folks who actually liked the player, which is what I didn't understand, as he just doesn't jump out as in improvement at backup to me.

I mean he’s young, big, athletic, and fits the mold of whats worked in net for the Avs recently. Annunen is big and has decent positioning, but he lacks the athleticism and lateral movement to be successful at the NHL level. I’m not sure about who’s better currently between Provy or Annunen, but Provy has a much better shot of being an NHL goalie than Annunen which is where the positivity comes from.

 

[AvsInRhodey]

That's where the importance of getting new core players to replace the current core would come into the fold as well as trying to complete the retool(I wouldn't say full rebuild) within a ~2 year time frame would be ideal.

It would never happen because I dont think Avs management would ever admit the window has closed at an appropriate time with this current core... But if they did, I think they could still start a solid 2-3 year retool and come out of it with 3-4 brand new core level(IE Top pairing Dmen or top line forwards) players on the team, to go along with a 31 year old Mackinnon, 27/28 year old Makar, 26 year old Byram, 29 year old Girard, etc. etc.

That's where the importance of getting new core players to replace the current core would come into the fold as well as trying to complete the retool(I wouldn't say full rebuild) within a ~2 year time frame would be ideal.

It would never happen because I dont think Avs management would ever admit the window has closed at an appropriate time with this current core... But if they did, I think they could still start a solid 2-3 year retool and come out of it with 3-4 brand new core level(IE Top pairing Dmen or top line forwards) players on the team, to go along with a 31 year old Mackinnon, 27/28 year old Makar, 26 year old Byram, 29 year old Girard, etc. etc.

I think that's the differnce in opinion we have. I think this core is worth riding for the next 4 years as most of of them are in their prime now or just starting to leave it. It sounds like your idea is to blow it up much sooner.

The player ages you reference above happens in 3 years, so to start a 2-3 year rebuild and end up with new core players at that point, we'd need to start the retool right now. That probably looks like trading Towes at this deadline, trading Landy and Nuke whenever/however we can within the next year, and hoping we get back enough prime prospects to translate into impact players in 3 years time. Those would have to be some fantatic trades. I don't see us drafting in the top 10 anytime soon so we'd need some serious luck to hit homerun picks in the back half of the first round and middle rounds. Not really our forte.

Assuming we do find a way to add 3-4 new core peices in about 3 years, we would be adding them to Mack, who will be past his prime, Mikko, who will be just starting to leave his, and Cale, who will be leveling out.

I'd rather push hard now, work with the core we have while they're still elite, and accept that the best chances Cale and Mack have to win another cup is staring us right in the face. I agree with you that there will be a turning point when this core isn't worth investing into anymore and we will have to make smart decisions, but for right now the smartest decisions we can make are to maximize our current cup chances, even if that come at the expense of future cup chances.

 

[ABasin]

That's where the importance of getting new core players to replace the current core would come into the fold as well as trying to complete the retool(I wouldn't say full rebuild) within a ~2 year time frame would be ideal.

It would never happen because I dont think Avs management would ever admit the window has closed at an appropriate time with this current core... But if they did, I think they could still start a solid 2-3 year retool and come out of it with 3-4 brand new core level(IE Top pairing Dmen or top line forwards) players on the team, to go along with a 31 year old Mackinnon, 27/28 year old Makar, 26 year old Byram, 29 year old Girard, etc. etc.

We Avs fans have been fortunate to have a top shelf team for three years. We’re looking at another couple solid of years of that, and I’m going to enjoy it.

-AB, still periodically haunted by Mauldin/Yip dreams…..

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I think that's the differnce in opinion we have. I think this core is worth riding for the next 4 years as most of of them are in their prime now or just starting to leave it. It sounds like your idea is to blow it up much sooner.

Nah, that wasn't necessarily my opinion of what I think we should do... Just the way it could work if they decided to retool.

I want to re-sign Toews, and probably try to find a way to re-sign Mikko as well.

I dont think this group has 4 years of contending left, but they might be able to squeeze out 2 more years if RyJo works out as the 2C.... Although admittedly if he doesn't, the window is probably closed today quite frankly. There's a lot riding on his success with this group.

We Avs fans have been fortunate to have a top shelf team for three years. We’re looking at another couple solid of years of that, and I’m going to enjoy it.

-AB, still periodically haunted by Mauldin/Yip dreams…..

Perhaps this is where I dont agree with everyone else.


I dont think its been just 3 years, I think you can go all the way back to 2019 with this team being "top flight" from the moment Makar joined them for that playoff run. Sure we entered that playoffs as the 8th seed, but we beat up the #1 Seed and were 1 goal away from a conference finals appearance that year.

IMO we've been a top flight team for 5 years now. We've made the playoffs for 6 straight years. Only 2 teams have longer streaks.

This is why I dont think we have 4-5 years left like a lot of people seem to think, given the age of this team and how long we've already been top tier, we really should only have ~1-2 years left.

 

[henchman21]

I'd say it is near impossible to actually execute a re-tool in 4 years, and once you start, there is no guarantee you get back to the top. Which pretty much means ride or die until you can't anymore. Even when out of the window, gotta push a bit longer to try to catch lightning in a bottle.

 

[Balthazar]

I'd say it is near impossible to actually execute a re-tool in 4 years, and once you start, there is no guarantee you get back to the top. Which pretty much means ride or die until you can't anymore. Even when out of the window, gotta push a bit longer to try to catch lightning in a bottle.

There's no guarantee but Kings are currently proving that it's possible to make two runs with your best players. You need to commit to it, draft well and sign good UFA's.

If you ride your entire 1st core for too long you're done.

 

[Muffin]

Prosvetov is a guy I’ve liked for a long time. Has size and is super athletic. Holes in his game for sure, but he has the athletic tools to succeed in the NHL unlike Annunen.

He was Arizona's goalie of the future not that long ago.

 

[RockLobster]

Come on Peeke....Come on PEEKE.

 

[henchman21]

There's no guarantee but Kings are currently proving that it's possible to make two runs with your best players. You need to commit to it, draft well and sign good UFA's.

If you ride your entire 1st core for too long you're done.

You could make an argument the Kings have done about as well as you can. Yeah they've made mistakes, but all teams do during those re-tools... and many here think they are not contenders still.

The Kings pretty much started their re-tool in 18/19 and took 3 seasons to get back into the plays and in year 6 are at this level. If you extend a similar timeframe to the Avs starting next season (since we know re-tooling isn't happening this year), we're looking at 29/30 or when MacK is 34.

 

[BobRossColton]

Come on Peeke....Come on PEEKE.

Who do we move out?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Who do we move out?

Would probably need to be Francouz for salary purposes at least.