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Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Season Thread
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Ararana
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Good thing they're not going to to tie up 7-9 million for Toews in his 30s right!?!
.... right?
RockLobster
King in the North
Honestly they're going to have to choose between Makar and Mikko eventually, imo, and in that case it's not really a choice--you keep Cale.
Toews can be managed in and dealt with later if need be, and I think they do need to keep him around.
Bill Peckerskull
Fargin' Icehole
Yeah that might end up being thr case... The issue is Mikko is up first and so far our management hasn't really shown to be cut throat with that kind of a decision.
I'd bet they re-sign Mikko and then wouldn't be surprised if they simply run out of money to keep Cale.
The big question will be Landy. If he never ends up coming back, they can probably afford Cale and Mikko. But knowing Landy I just don't think he's done at all.
Raucherhusten
Unselfish Gif Lover
Dahlins new contract makes Makars to one of the best in the league. Easy.
Let's enjoy it while it lasts, his next contract could ruin the Kroenkes
God dammit, i'm afraid
Let's enjoy it while it lasts, his next contract could ruin the Kroenkes
God dammit, i'm afraid
Ararana
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I think they keep both Mikko and Cale if they wise up and cut Toews loose. Problem is they should have done that 5 months ago if they wanted to be smart about it.
Part of me wanted them to flip him, but with Ryjo as cheap as he is, and the high risk high reward strategy we at least have a legit shot at a cup again if Ryjo pans out to be just a good 2C, nothing crazy. If Drouin actually works, and the wheels don't fall off anything else too important we have a legit shot to fill in at spots that need improvement at the TDL that we can afford.
So it's ride or die time, I'm ok with this strategy in the end.
We're complaining about a 6RD, and that a young power forward that was exciting in camp got waived. I'll take it lol.
Ararana
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Personally, I'd rather them accept the fact that RyJo isn't a 2C you can win the cup with, rather then Toews walking for free because they used him as a in-house rental.
Bill Peckerskull
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Ararana
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In about 4 months, we'll all be.
RyJo is going to put up a shit load of points on Colorado's top PP unit. But 5v5 he's going to be a disaster, and guess what is super important in the post season.
I mean Bednar is starting him with our two best two way wingers. Not that I agree with it, one is enough.
I think we sign Toews, Mikko, and Cale to long term contracts and just live with the consequences of a more top heavy lineup. Manson and Girard are the most likely cap causulties to go if the goal is to win another cup with this core.
Once we sign Cale for some ungodly amount of money (thinking $14M), our options for maintaining a competitive team become extremely limited. Either we sign Cale and let Lehky and Colton walk that same offseason, or we let Cale walk and maintain better depth. Neither option looks great, but I think that's the best we can do.
The other option is to trade one or 2 of our impact players before their walk point for a package of less impactful/cheaper players and futures. This is technically still an option for Toews, but I agree that ship has probably sailed and his trade value is diminishing by the day. The bigger problem with trading an impact player for futures is that our team is built to win now. I just can't see the value of reducing our immediate cup chances for the sake of advancing an on-the-fly re-tool with an eye to be more competitive in the long term. It just doesnt make a ton of sense when we've only got a handful of years left before Mack comes back down to earth, and Landy and Nuke start looking more like cap anchors instead of underpaid first-liners.
I would get the logic of trading Toews or Mikko if the rest of the team was still trending up and by trading them we would somehow extend the cup window. But the cup window is pretty well established by now. We've got 4 more runs max before we become a bubble team akin to the current day Penguins. We put ourselves in this position 2 years ago when we signed Cale to 6 years (2 years too few) for the sake of short-term cap savings, and signed Landy to 8 years (2 years too many) for the same reason. We dug in further 1 year ago with 8 year deals for both Nuke and Mack, when we know the ends of those deals won't look as great. We avoided long term contracts on aging players for a long time while we were rebuilding, but we've turned the corner and now have to embrace it. This is the price you have to pay to keep elite talent in their prime at the lowest price possible. We've made our bed and now we have to sleep in it. Might as well push the rest of the chips in, try to win a cup or two over the next 4 years, and live with the consequences later.
Ararana
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Bill Peckerskull
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Mack, Makar, and Mikko will all get whatever it takes to keep them. It's pretty obvious that's the plan.
Very slim chance they move Mikko if he asks for more than Mack, and it makes sense to get a center, but I think Makar they'd let go over.
Very slim chance they move Mikko if he asks for more than Mack, and it makes sense to get a center, but I think Makar they'd let go over.
Bill Peckerskull
Fargin' Icehole
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*Checks Prosvetov’s numbers*
*Then checks Prosvetov’s size*
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Avs_19
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Good for Dahlin. Great player who deserves it.
That contract has no effect on Makar IMO. The likes of Dahlin, Fox, McAvoy, etc aren't the benchmarks and comparables for Makar. It's MacKinnon, McDavid, Matthews, etc.
That contract has no effect on Makar IMO. The likes of Dahlin, Fox, McAvoy, etc aren't the benchmarks and comparables for Makar. It's MacKinnon, McDavid, Matthews, etc.
Mighty Makar
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Richard88
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Who cares? All he has to do is keep the bench warm for a few months until Francouz is back. If Georgiev needs a game off they could still call Annunen up to start a game.
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